I'm so utterly disappointed with my intelligence.

[Fadeawaaaay]

I used to be fairly intelligent, Academically speaking. But that's devolved.

 

[Heartattackpending]

rcpilot my guess is that you are smarter than you are giving yourself credit for. Anyone who can do calc has my admiration. Back to the IQ stuff. Donald Trump likes to brag about his and look at how that worked out.

 

[tieiwi]

I'm really sorry, I relate to you a lot. I can't help but feel jealous of others. Of how different they act and how it's just second nature to them. Because of my upbringing I'm forever going to be like this. I cant even make eye contact with the people I speak with. Sometimes I try to imagine how I'd be if I grew up with a nice and healthy childhood. Can you believe I even get jealous of that made up me? I don't even want to imagine that other me because I get so upset.

 

[blueclover_.]

I'm an antinatalist, but procreation becomes much more amoral when the parents are genetically unfavorable. I don't care if it's a eugenic thought. People can throw stones at me for thinking that way, but the reality is painful and shouldn't be hidden to please a group of people who don't want to have their self-steem crushed.
The fact is no one wants to be born dumb, ugly and with generic diseases that will cause them a lifetime of pain. So why pass that suffering on? I speak about It as someone who fits into this group of people and I would never have children with that being one of the main reasons.

This dude LMAO. Call me a classist, but i think poor people should not procreate.

I'm an antinatalist, but procreation becomes much more amoral when the parents are genetically unfavorable. I don't care if it's a eugenic thought. People can throw stones at me for thinking that way, but the reality is painful and shouldn't be hidden to please a group of people who don't want to have their self-steem crushed.
The fact is no one wants to be born dumb, ugly and with generic diseases that will cause them a lifetime of pain. So why pass that suffering on? I speak about It as someone who fits into this group of people and I would never have children with that being one of the main reasons.

This dude LMAO. Call me a classist, but i think poor people should not procreate.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

Lots of people with learning disabilities struggle to finish high school. I wouldn't call them losers.

 

[LastFlowers]

People will always deny that IQ is a deciding factor in their life. Instead they will push you into optimistic fantasies about how effort and dedication can make you a smart guy. The truth: if you have a low IQ you are complement fucked up, unless you have some kind of special talent or good charisma.

If you are an introverted, ugly, talentless, mentally ill person like me, then there is no rational solution to escape pain other than death.

Hmm, yes, intelligence is a privilege in this society, like many others, including wealth, looks..general quality of life and abundant opportunities, etc.
Of course those who have one or all of these things can come up with pitfalls to complain about, but it's still intensely preferable to possess these things than to be without them.
Most of the condescension and patronizing "grass is greener" speak is from those who already find themselves to the right of the bell curve.
It's very defeating just how predetermined our lives are by factors we have no control over, it makes self-actualization an impossibility for many unfortunate people.

Lots of people with learning disabilities struggle to finish high school. I wouldn't call them losers.

I don't even have a learning disability (that I'm aware of) and I didn't finish.
But that was due to bullying, still, people now believe me to be an idiot on top of every other reason I was already fucked.
I had ambitious choices for college/university, and now I don't even have a high-school diploma.
Those pieces of paper sure do mean a lot to others sizing you up.

I'm an antinatalist, but procreation becomes much more amoral when the parents are genetically unfavorable. I don't care if it's a eugenic thought. People can throw stones at me for thinking that way, but the reality is painful and shouldn't be hidden to please a group of people who don't want to have their self-steem crushed.
The fact is no one wants to be born dumb, ugly and with generic diseases that will cause them a lifetime of pain. So why pass that suffering on? I speak about It as someone who fits into this group of people and I would never have children with that being one of the main reasons.

The risks are there with all prospective parents, I don't think we should go too far with further disparaging and stripping of a group of people who already got the short end of the stick to such an unfair degree.
I agree with you on some level, it's just a slippery slope is all, people in better positions will use sentiments such as yours to their own benefit, to further the divide and the inequality amongst mankind.
A lot of the "smart, beautiful, and healthy" people cause others harm and can be just as much of a drain on society as being "dumb, ugly, and disabled" is to an individual.
I think the whole mess of us should just stop the presses, stop pushing them out, focus on who's already here, and then slowly peter out, but saying that aloud will have a person deemed mad.

All that said, I'm a victim of the choice to gamble with the unborn, it was a bad turn.
So obviously I would have to consider myself an antinatalist, same as you.
I can't justify the risk taking by two people, where most of the consequences end up on the shoulders of a third person who did not consent to any of it.
The potential for some people to thrive and prosper should NEVER be at the expense of "expendables" who are placed face down-flat-like tiles, in order to be the essential stepping stones for all the rest to trample over toward happiness.
Suffering outweighs all.

 

[Suicidebydeath]

My thoughts on IQ are simple - as a measure of intelligence, IQ tests are rather crude & overrated simply because they measure only two or three aspects of intelligence:

• Mathematical intelligence,
• Logical intelligence and
• Analytical intelligence

That's all. These are merely three forms of intelligence. There are many more!

We also have:

• Emotional intelligence (ability to understand, process & express emotions),
• Linguistic intelligence (ability to be good at learning languages),
• Musical intelligence (self-explanatory),
• Social intelligence (ability to socialise with all kinds of people),
• Physical intelligence (ability to get the mind & body to co-ordinate perfectly),
• Tensile intelligence (ability of the mind to perform under pressure),
• Spiritual intelligence (ability of the mind to delve into the spiritual realm) and
• Possibly more.

When there are so many forms of intelligence, how can a test that measures merely two or three forms (most IQ tests) be a measure of one's overall intelligence???

So guys and gals who didn't fare well on IQ tests and the likes, relax. These tests do not measure your entire intelligence, far from it!

You are worth much more than the score provided by some half-baked, incomplete test that you took!

Yeah. IQ is just a score of the first three. I wouldn't worry about it. People are good at different things.

@little helpers I also struggled with coursework and I wonder now if that was C-PTSD related, it probably was.

 

[little helpers]

Yeah. IQ is just a score of the first three. I wouldn't worry about it. People are good at different things.

@little helpers I also struggled with coursework and I wonder now if that was C-PTSD related, it probably was.

yeah I think so. I remember a conversation I had with a group of friends during freshman year. person asked if we have study skills we wanna share. I know others talk about this stuff a lot but genuinely thought it was a hoax. I study whenever I can. whenever I have spare time and energy from dealing with my MH. I just said that. not sure at all if it was well-received lol. CPTSD is so draining. or any other MH issues really.