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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
43,314
No, I only want to end my suffering, other people should be able to decide if they want to live or die. I do not want to destroy the world, I just want to be gone from it.
 
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CommitSudoku

never interfere with a lifespan reaping
Feb 12, 2022
524
I'd rather be like Inuyashiki, save the world at the expense of myself. Would make my death an easier choice though I guess I'd cement everything about myself as only being there for others and not caring about myself or doing it for myself.
 
AstroV

AstroV

Member
Nov 3, 2021
75
The world is a shitty place and I have no idea why I'm in it to begin with. But I don't hate it enough to do that.
 
Life interrupted

Life interrupted

Trapped in life
Mar 18, 2022
139
Because I'd be eliminating their constant craving which is the root of all suffering
You're right there. I wish it was possible
 
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the_town_manager

the_town_manager

pleasant dreams for tired eyes
Mar 25, 2022
41
Yes. I'd consider it my moral duty to do so if I had the chance. The fact that the world exists in the way that it does is an obviously negative thing to my mind. So putting an end to it would be a positive thing or at least the lesser of two evils.
 
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loststar

loststar

Just looking for the way
Apr 18, 2022
56
Id defo be tempted, but dont know if i could go through with it
 
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Fadeawaaaay

Fadeawaaaay

Visionary
Nov 12, 2021
2,160
Not at all… I only wish peace and happiness to others
 
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Sunset Limited

Sunset Limited

I believe in Sunset Limited
Jul 29, 2019
1,352
I think life is a diseased existence that must be permanently destroyed. Billions of people are enslaved without being asked their opinion. We don't care when children die in Africa anyway. While even the food we throw away can save them. We just pretend like we care. Actually, nobody really cares. It's not fair to sacrifice even one person without asking their opinion to make someone happy. I personally don't push that button, but I don't care if the world is destroyed.
 
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Symbiote

Illuminated
Oct 12, 2020
3,099
Yes, I'll do it by dropping a plastic bag in Berkeley, CA and see people there lose their shit and go nuts.
 
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Jumper Seoirse

Jumper Seoirse

Student
Apr 8, 2022
160
Please God I hope you are not Vladimir Putin, :smiling:

Cheers

Jumper Seoirse
 
Lost Magic

Lost Magic

Illuminated
May 5, 2020
3,203
No I wouldn't. Nobody has the right to destroy the planet, no matter how bad you feel. It's evil, cruel and selfish. This is not a good way to think and feel mate.
 
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nopride86

nopride86

Student
Mar 16, 2022
135
I would want to erase the scumbags, predators and abusers only. I could rest peacefully knowing that the good people in this world didn't have to suffer.
 
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VoidDesirer22

VoidDesirer22

A dream inside a locked room
Sep 6, 2021
673
I would press a button to peacefully end all life on Earth simultaneously if I got to go at the same time.

But I'm not fussed. I never was a moral crusader, as I was too busy trying to stay afloat myself.
Besides, once I'm dead soon it'll all vanish for me anyway.
 
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VoidDesirer22

VoidDesirer22

A dream inside a locked room
Sep 6, 2021
673
I would want to erase the scumbags, predators and abusers. I could rest peacefully knowing that the good people in this world didn't have to suffer.
Too bad more births will happen and more predators and abusers will arise. Imperfect parenting = imperfect people. And sometimes it isn't even the parents fault. Predators will always occur as long as humans occur. It's quite chilling.
 
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Al_stargate

Al_stargate

I was once a pretty angel
Mar 4, 2022
743
There is something philosophical about this question. Of course no, it would be mental but as egotistical creatures, we do have an inherent subconscious belief that everything revolves around us. Since we can't enjoy things we don't like others to do so, that is of course deep down in our primal brain.
 
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VoidDesirer22

A dream inside a locked room
Sep 6, 2021
673
"Destroy" makes it sound like your hypothetical contains bombs or something.
What do you have in mind when you picture this?

If a button simultaneously administered N into every human then that is actually a net good ethically. (People kind of just conveniently focus on their bubble in the world, when right at this second there is unfathomable suffering happening to millions upon millions of animals -- this includes humans of course).
But I struggle to see it as such if it is nukes or something heinous like that.
 
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Al_stargate

Al_stargate

I was once a pretty angel
Mar 4, 2022
743
I would want to erase the scumbags, predators and abusers only. I could rest peacefully knowing that the good people in this world didn't have to suffer.
Good are few, finding a saint is almost impossible. How many people are there that nobody has a bad opinion or a grudge against? Like few percent maybe.
 
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Huntfish34

Huntfish34

Enlightened
Mar 13, 2020
1,619
No way,. Not my place to do such a thing.
 
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VoidDesirer22

A dream inside a locked room
Sep 6, 2021
673
No way,. Not my place to do such a thing.
There are people being tortured right now. If you could stop that by pressing a button and peacefully allowing them to rest, would you still say it is not your place to do such a thing?

This is an interesting philosophical question if the "destroy" connotation of OP is eliminated from the discussion. If we shift the focus to some magical peaceful simultaneous rest of all of humanity, then all suffering occuring at this very second is erased. Whoever pressed the button would quite literally be the greatest hero to ever exist on Earth.
 
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sharky

sharky

Lost
Dec 15, 2021
283
This is an interesting philosophical question if the "destroy" connotation of OP is eliminated from the discussion. If we shift the focus to some magical peaceful simultaneous rest of all of humanity, then all suffering occuring at this very second is erased. Whoever pressed the button would quite literally be the greatest hero to ever exist on Earth.
You erase suffering but you also erase joy. To some you might me a hero and to some the devil. Which outweighs the other?
 
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VoidDesirer22

VoidDesirer22

A dream inside a locked room
Sep 6, 2021
673
That's your view of the world which may or may not reflect the truth.

You erase suffering but you also erase joy. To some you might me a hero and to some the devil. Which outweighs the other?
Well it depends if you are a negative utilitarian or not.

WIKIPEDIA DEFINITION:
Negative utilitarianism is a form of negative consequentialism that can be described as the view that people should minimize the total amount of aggregate suffering, or that they should minimize suffering and then, secondarily, maximize the total amount of happiness.

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If I could stop the enjoyment of 1 million people playing a new video game to prevent 1 person from being raped and tortured I would do that in a heartbeat.
 
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Al_stargate

Al_stargate

I was once a pretty angel
Mar 4, 2022
743
There are people being tortured right now. If you could stop that by pressing a button and peacefully allowing them to rest, would you still say it is not your place to do such a thing?

This is an interesting philosophical question if the "destroy" connotation of OP is eliminated from the discussion. If we shift the focus to some magical peaceful simultaneous rest of all of humanity, then all suffering occuring at this very second is erased. Whoever pressed the button would quite literally be the greatest hero to ever exist on Earth.
I think there is a lot more joy than there is pain in this world. A person only realizes that once it's completely lost. Neither of us is responsible for all the suffering in this world or even the suffering of those around us so how could we end something we didn't have any saying in the start. The one who created this world would have the means and responsibility to do what he wants, not we. It's like saying; eat this chicken or I kill another one, to a vegan. I would feel horrible for the chicken getting killed of course but not partaking in this activity at all, I cleared my hands of action and consequences and was just an observer. Similar to pressing the button to end this world, how could I do that when I didn't create it in the first place and it doesn't belong to me.
 
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VoidDesirer22

A dream inside a locked room
Sep 6, 2021
673
I think there is a lot more joy than there is pain in this world.
What are you basing this on?

I am thoroughly convinced that no topic is more impossible to reach common ground on, after discussing this various times throughout my life.

It would have to start with a discussion of what you define as joy, followed by an introduction to the philosophical concept of the asymmetry of pleasure and suffering.
But it never goes anywhere, ever.

Is joy eating food to delay hunger? Taking a poo? Having sex? Watching your favourite movie?

Would you really withstand having your skin ripped off while you're alive to enjoy those things? Say, if it was the sensation without the long term, permanent damage (for the sake of arguement). But suffering lasts longer than pleasure anyway.

The idea is that there are people ripping other people's skin off as torture (not to mention all the famine, sickness and disease), and that would all cease peacefully along with the joy aspects of life, like Tim and Jenny getting a new Lego set from Walmart on their birthday 🎉
 
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Al_stargate

Al_stargate

I was once a pretty angel
Mar 4, 2022
743
What are you basing this on?

I am thoroughly convinced that no topic is more impossible to reach common ground on, after discussing this various times throughout my life.

It would have to start with a discussion of what you define as joy, followed by an introduction to the philosophical concept of the asymmetry of pleasure and suffering.
But it never goes anywhere, ever.

Is joy eating food to delay hunger? Taking a poo? Having sex? Watching your favourite movie?

Would you really withstand having your skin ripped off while you're alive to enjoy those things?

The idea is that there are people have their skinned ripped off as torture, and that would cease peacefully along with the joy aspects of life.
Most people do want to live, so that's why I'm saying that there is more incentive to live than to die, overall. One person's immense suffering is not the collective responsibility of others. It's kinda like saying; I can't go to the pool because of something, nobody else should, kinda. And those activities you mentioned are quite enjoyable but I agree, the potential for pain, misery, and suffering is way bigger and more immense than the pleasure part of the equation when it comes to life. Most people just haven't experienced it yet.
 
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