If you ask me, happiness involves three things

[sserafim]

1. Physical means of just surviving
2. Worthwhile way to spend time
3. Independence/freedom

Which eventually just boils down to being able to NEET and focus on hobbies without either people bothering you or worrying about not being able to pay for shit

The happiest times in my life were when my parents weren't home, I had a game to focus on that I wanted to finish and I ditched school or was summer break
Probably if you had a real genuine passion like art or music and could spend a lot of your time on this it'd mog too, but I don't have anything like that now.

 

[iloverachel]

Happiness doesn't exist to me. I just don't believe it is real. Never experienced it in my life

 

[Rocinante]

Yes but an underrated point is that happiness isn't meant to be an all the time thing. By definition it's sporadic which is why it comes from the same root word as haphazard

You're in the right track with passions. If you have purpose in things like passion. You gain the fortitude to bare pain, and you can attain moments of happiness

But you arent meant to chase happiness. Think back to our discussion of freedom

Immanuel kant regarded freedom as a higher virtue than happiness, because happiness is indeterminate. Alot of what you're discussing comes down to freedom, which is a prerequisite to happiness but not a guarantee of it. That's the thing about happiness again. It's like chasing a butterfly

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

Happiness only comes after death. That's why they always say "rest in peace".

 

[kogareteru]

i agree on the first and second one but i believe neetness fucks everything up even more.
in summer, i was depressed and was genuinely cutting since i didn't have routine. currently i have school and the stress of exams and lessons remind me that i have a life to live which makes me happy when i am successful. don't ask what happens if i am not successful though.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

That might last for a while until some disease , accident , or old age disables a human

Or they become homeless, kidnapped tortured , falsely imprisoned, many more horrible things can happen to a human

To me none of the supposed good things are worth going through some horrible nightmare , the extreme pain or extreme suffering possible

Imo the fleeting "pleasurable" things are bait to keep u in the prison and then some even worse extreme pain gets u. So imo I should hate the pleasurable enjoyable things or temporary fleeting happiness even if that is temporarily achieved

Imo life is risky

Extreme pain outweighs anything

I have seen extreme horrors that can happen

The longer one exists the higher the probability of something very bad happening.

The pleasurable things keep u from seeing life is bad a prison , how bad suffering and pain can get etc. the pleasurable things are used to obscure the matrix

 

[RemainingDubious]

1. Physical means of just surviving
2. Worthwhile way to spend time
3. Independence/freedom

You might have a point

i guess if i had 2. i might be happy since i have 1. and 3.

if you had a real genuine passion like art or music and could spend a lot of your time on this

i'm surrounded by things i once used to love. i have plenty of albums, video games, movies, books, equipment, etc. i even started to collect things late last year but none of it really makes me happy. i can't focus on anything

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I believe that happiness comes from a deprivation of suffering. Normies always say that every human needs to suffer to experience happiness but I think that's just cope. I believe that people are most happy when they aren't suffering. That's why people seem most happy when they are distracted from their life, not when they are going through it

Happiness doesn't exist to me. I just don't believe it is real. Never experienced it in my life

I relate to this so much. I never really liked anything on earth to begin with. I believe that I was not meant to be a human or to be alive

 

[cymbaline23]

Personally, I don't work or anything, and I spend 90% of my time in my room doing whatever, but it's still miserable for me either way. I hate lacking purpose and nothing is fulfilling, but the outside world is too much most of the time, and nothing meaningful or fulfilling about a 9-5 job either. I get what you're saying though, I agree, and it's a nice feeling being home alone. I just hate the pain of feeling like I'm a burden.

 

[sserafim]

Yes but an underrated point is that happiness isn't meant to be an all the time thing. By definition it's sporadic which is why it comes from the same root word as haphazard

You're in the right track with passions. If you have purpose in things like passion. You gain the fortitude to bare pain, and you can attain moments of happiness

But you arent meant to chase happiness. Think back to our discussion of freedom

Immanuel kant regarded freedom as a higher virtue than happiness, because happiness is indeterminate. Alot of what you're discussing comes down to freedom, which is a prerequisite to happiness but not a guarantee of it. That's the thing about happiness again. It's like chasing a butterfly

Yeah, I don't really mean happiness as a specific emotion but a general positive/satisfactory state
Like, boiling it down to elementary terms, I like my life, I enjoy living, I look forward to tomorrow and waking up in the morning.
A goal provides this too even if it requires suffering or you to feel pain, you enjoy chasing that sort of

tldr these are the things I want in my life and I realize that when I enjoy my life the most I have these

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Happiness lies trapped in misery.

 

[RemainingDubious]

Happiness lies trapped in misery.

"You know when you've found it
There's something I've learned
'Cause you feel it when they take it away
Hey hey hey" - Damien Rice

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Happiness is so individually based. For most, though, I do think there are some fundamentals that can help lead to a more happy, or contented life, like a sense of purpose, a sense of belonging, and maybe the most important, a feeling that you're needed. Without feeling you are needed, I think, everything else is just window dressing.

 

[leavingthesoultrap]

I think that human connection contributes to happiness as well

 

[RemainingDubious]

I think that human connection contributes to happiness as well

The right person can make this hell a paradise, however when that person goes it's straight back to hell.

They say "'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all."
i'm unsure if that's true since happy memories of better days forever gone hurt.

i can't say with certainty i'd allow myself to be close to the right person knowing the despair that came with their demise.

 

[Abyssal]

Agreed

 

[leavingthesoultrap]

The right person can make this hell a paradise, however when that person goes it's straight back to hell.

They say "'Tis better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all."
i'm unsure if that's true since happy memories of better days forever gone hurt.

i can't say with certainty i'd allow myself to be close to the right person knowing the despair that came with their demise.

"'Its better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all." I agree with that.
I sometimes go back in my memories to the happier times I had in the past. When I get lucky I dream about that better reality in my sleep

 

[Beyond_Repair]

Agreed, and all is accessible with

 

[RemainingDubious]

I sometimes go back in my memories to the happier times I had in the past. When I get lucky I dream about that better reality in my sleep

Does the reality that that time has gone and you can never return to it not haunt you?

Happy memories often haunt me when i face reality

You can't miss something you've never known. So i wonder if i'd be happier now if i'd of never experienced the happy moments i miss?

 

[Raven2]

I read a quote once 'the secret to happiness'

Someone to love
Something to do
Something to look forward to

 

[RemainingDubious]

Someone to love

Do you think they ever loved the wrong person?

i know i have and don't recommend that at all. i can't think of a single good thing about it or what part is supposed to make the lover happy

 

[silence ends]

-Financial security
-Physical health
-Mental health
-Meeting of social needs
-Hobby or job or parenting role etc. to fool your mind believing your "needed" or doing something "important", you know what i mean
Balanced combination of those leads to "overall happy" mindset. Every part itself doesnt need to be 5/5 or even 3/5, its the balance of all parts together that counts.
Happiness itself may not be so realistic but the feeling / mindset is very real if one gets it. No need to ctb if one is in overall happy state.