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death137

death137

miserable
Jun 25, 2020
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I would say the only realistic thing that can motivate me to fight this life is love. I've seen those advice and inspiration quotes that say something like "love yourself before others love you" or "fix your life first" or "don't seek validation". I believe those advices can't be helpful for everyone. For some of us we need to be loved or validated in order to try improve our life. Forget finding love but just meeting a girl irl or online that's interested in me would motivate me to quickly start to improve myself. I can't change my height but I can decrease my ugliness even if it's by small margin. I would be motivated to try to get my degree here or another country. I would try to regularly leave the house. I would be more confident when I'm around ppl. There would be lots of improvements. But the thing is I never tried and will never try to find love. I've social anxiety and massive fear of rejection. So when you add all the disadvantages I've then I would say the probability of me finding love is below 1%. To be honest sometimes I feel glad that there is almost no hope for me. I know logically speaking death is better than life and I'm glad that I'm being forced to ctb.
 
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BeansOfRequirement

Man-child, loser, autistic, etc.
Jan 26, 2021
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Putting effort into anything without having a gf is some kind of superpower that I don't possess :pfff:.
 
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deepinlimbo

deepinlimbo

I want to Insert something profound here
May 30, 2021
146
Maybe you can still give yourself time? Everyone deserves a chance to be loved and to love.

I don't fully know your situation but it sounds like there is a spark in there somewhere and a strong desire to find love that is keeping you going at least for the time being and that's maybe something to keep your focus?

I believe the right person will ignore your flaws and see that you have a good heart if you have the dedication and commitment to wanting to find love.

I worry my advice may sound to "pro lifer" I guess I just don't like seeing people miserable. I'm suffering enough but maybe I can still help someone else at least?

my issues make it hard for me to feel that chemical reaction we call love but I know I felt it with who I am with now and I feel a great sense of shame lying to her about myself but I'm like you, I want to feel loved and hold onto something good.

tomorrow is another day. I know I still have some time before I have to ctb. Admittedly not much. Maybe you can use your time to try to find what you really want?
 
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death137

miserable
Jun 25, 2020
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Maybe you can still give yourself time? Everyone deserves a chance to be loved and to love.

I don't fully know your situation but it sounds like there is a spark in there somewhere and a strong desire to find love that is keeping you going at least for the time being and that's maybe something to keep your focus?

I believe the right person will ignore your flaws and see that you have a good heart if you have the dedication and commitment to wanting to find love.

I worry my advice may sound to "pro lifer" I guess I just don't like seeing people miserable. I'm suffering enough but maybe I can still help someone else at least?

my issues make it hard for me to feel that chemical reaction we call love but I know I felt it with who I am with now and I feel a great sense of shame lying to her about myself but I'm like you, I want to feel loved and hold onto something good.

tomorrow is another day. I know I still have some time before I have to ctb. Admittedly not much. Maybe you can use your time to try to find what you really want?
I've lived in this suicidal state for long because of failed attempts, SI and false hope. Yeah the desire to find love is keeping me going (besides SI). I can't tell the future for certain but my suffering will probably stay the same or get worse so it's better to quit soon.

I don't think you sound prolifer. I really appreciate your effort to help. I'm sorry you are also suffering a lot. It's very hard but I wish you a bearable time before you ctb.
 
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Journeytoletgo

Broken and hated 7-14 years long overdue
May 14, 2018
1,608
I would say the only realistic thing that can motivate me to fight this life is love. I've seen those advice and inspiration quotes that say something like "love yourself before others love you" or "fix your life first" or "don't seek validation". I believe those advices can't be helpful for everyone. For some of us we need to be loved or validated in order to try improve our life. Forget finding love but just meeting a girl irl or online that's interested in me would motivate me to quickly start to improve myself. I can't change my height but I can decrease my ugliness even if it's by small margin. I would be motivated to try to get my degree here or another country. I would try to regularly leave the house. I would be more confident when I'm around ppl. There would be lots of improvements. But the thing is I never tried and will never try to find love. I've social anxiety and massive fear of rejection. So when you add all the disadvantages I've then I would say the probability of me finding love is below 1%. To be honest sometimes I feel glad that there is almost no hope for me. I know logically speaking death is better than life and I'm glad that I'm being forced to ctb.

m sorry to hear you're suffering and wish you peace no matter your choice we didn't choose to be born and to live a life of social exclusion, social mobility causes more fulfillment and when you're out enjoying with others you rarely have time to think of the bad, however how can you interact with others when everyone already stated you don't deserve it for things out of your control (appearance), it's just all very cruel and unfair. Feeling not accepted and misunderstood is worse for any human.


i agree OP. I understand your suffering and emotional pain. Because I haven't had any social mobility since age 14 while all my classmates gain more self esteem, opportunities, and more friendships I stayed stagnant which makes me feel worthless and not validated by my peers socially or romantically so I lost all motivation I also was miserable and my life quality and fulfillment decreased . I also agree that the quotes of loving yourself before you can learn to love anyone else isn't enough, it is somewhat true as people who are sociable don't want to be around someone as awkward, unsociable, and unenthusiastic about life and a negative grump lol like me, it's another reason why I hate myself as a victims of life cruelty I became a grumpy personality with bad behavior and not feeling okay inside. So although outside appearance is % important feeling good on the inside and being sociable is also % of importance they have to balance each other out.

I don't want to try with romantic life anymore either because I find it pointless as I have been placed in a life of exclusion, misery and loneliness. I too agree there is no hope for me as well, even if I were to find a husband I'd still want to CTB because the trauma is still there and I'm miserable, I already know CTB is best option.
 
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Fehler

Fehler

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Oct 12, 2020
455
I also think that the only thing that could motivate me to continue would be to feel loved by someone (outside of the family, although I feel lucky to have them). They are with the issue of work when it is the "least" of my problems, I do not have the desire or the motivation to continue or work if I still alone.
But if you think that with it you could move on, have some patience, hopefully you will find someone.
 
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deepinlimbo

I want to Insert something profound here
May 30, 2021
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I've lived in this suicidal state for long because of failed attempts, SI and false hope. Yeah the desire to find love is keeping me going (besides SI). I can't tell the future for certain but my suffering will probably stay the same or get worse so it's better to quit soon.

I don't think you sound prolifer. I really appreciate your effort to help. I'm sorry you are also suffering a lot. It's very hard but I wish you a bearable time before you ctb.
That's okay, I don't like suffering, no one should be suffering and we have our own own metaphorical crosses to bear. For me would I want to ctb with your situation, perhaps not. BUT, no one truly knows our own personal circumstances and situations so I don't judge anyone on here or tell them what to do. I guess I just want to help as best I can. we make our own choices and our own destinies after all.

I hope you can find what you really want though. But I get how it feels to be in that state of constant long term suicidal emotions. It's like constantly running non stop and no breaks. Just wears you out.

making an actual change is easy on paper but not always in practise.
 
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WornOutLife

マット
Mar 22, 2020
7,163
Well, at least you've realized there's something which might make you keep on going with this goddamn life!! That's cool!
Now, love is not easy to find but there's always someone for us out there.
No matter how good, bad, poor or rich you look, I know some people who used to hate themselves and now they're in awesome relationships.

The things is, if we wanna find somebody, we really have to look for them because no one will knock our doors saying "Hey, I love you!" lol.

Wish you the best and hope you can find love some day, my friend.

Hugs,

Matt
 
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deepinlimbo

I want to Insert something profound here
May 30, 2021
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Well, at least you've realized there's something which might make you keep on going with this goddamn life!! That's cool!
Now, love is not easy to find but there's always someone for us out there.
No matter how good, bad, poor or rich you look, I know some people who used to hate themselves and now they're in awesome relationships.

The things is, if we gotta find somebody, we really have to look for them because no one will knock our doors saying "Hey, I love you!" lol.

Wish you the best and hope you can find love some day, my friend.

Hugs,

Matt
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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
1,798
All of those perfectionists who say, "Love yourself first! No one will be attracted to you if you don't love yourself!" have unrealistic expectations for relationships. They want something picture perfect and fantasy-esque, when real life doesn't work that way. Actual relationships are far more complicated than that.

I understand exactly how you are feeling, and it is completely valid to want to seek out connections with other people. We are social animals by nature, regardless of how hard modern life pushes people into trying to accept isolation as the default state. There is nothing wrong with you for wanting love in your life.

A person does not have to be flawless to be deserving of affection and romance, to expect someone to be 100% self- confident and have every aspect of their life micromanaged and sorted before seeking love is absurd. So don't listen to those people. They probably don't even follow their own advice. Do the best you can to nurture a happy and fulfilling relationship for the both of you, that's really all that matters.

We all need validation. The problem is, a lot of the people who will scold and chastise you for desiring romantic relationships as an outlet for reassurance and comfort are getting theirs elsewhere, so they expect you to do the same. It puts a damper on those with optimism biases and individualistic mindsets to consider the possibility that other people may not have a wide network of loving family and friends to provide them with companionship.

A lot of people who objectively do not struggle as much in life happened to receive a large amount of validation and nurture during their childhood (and often times, their adulthood as well, if they have jobs where they are valued and appreciated) . They were loved and encouraged by their parents, teachers, and peers, so their self confidence is naturally robust.

The problem lies with the fact that our culture expects everyone to have experienced a good upbringing. There is no support for those who did not have parents or family to cheer them on, those who were let down by their teachers, ostracised by their classmates with no opportunities to date and experiment during their youth and adolescence, and so on and so forth.

As a child, did you ever watch the film Matilda, or read the book? There are similar themes in other types of literature, such as Harry Potter, so they all seem to boil down to a familiar formula by the end of the story.

A gifted person with loads of potential is held back by abusive family members/caregivers, but whenever they finally receive proper validation and care, they begin to thrive. The desire to be loved and cared for does not end when we hit the mystical age of 18 and enter adulthood. Our desire to be built up and reaffirmed does not magically vanish when we enter a new phase of life.

You need time to be patient with yourself and acknowledge that it isn't your fault that you haven't found "the one" yet. This world is set up to favor those who have been fortunate since day one. I'd say there is plenty of time to take small steps towards finding a partner. Going to university is a brilliant idea I think, because you will have lots of opportunities to meet people and practice socialising.

I hope you're able to experience that connection you want.
 
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Makko

Makko

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Jan 17, 2021
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Sounds like a real chicken and egg problem.
 
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