I need to die and dont have much ways to do it

[ifeelsobad]

I want to die I was going to do cutting but people said no to. I can't drive. I dont have a garage or car to do it that way that I wanted to do. I'm to scared to do anything like hang or put bag over head that stops breathing. I dont want to do pills because i get scare of throwing up

I dont know what to do.

 

[jodes2]

Gas bag doesn't stop you breathing - technically it should be very peaceful, not that it worked for me. No-one here expects you to suffocate yourself! Pills or Sodium Nitrite or Nembutal are the way to go as long as you have an antiemetic to stop you throwing up. Is there anywhere you could jump from? Have you read up on partial suspension? Plus if you have 10k spare there's always Pegasos in Switzerland

 

[Someone123]

Gas bag doesn't stop you breathing - technically it should be very peaceful, not that it worked for me. No-one here expects you to suffocate yourself! Pills or Sodium Nitrite or Nembutal are the way to go as long as you have an antiemetic to stop you throwing up. Is there anywhere you could jump from? Have you read up on partial suspension? Plus if you have 10k spare there's always Pegasos in Switzerland

Some of these aren't good options, though- pills work less than 2% of the time, and when they do work they are almost always powerful opiates- they can damage your kidney and liver very likely, but most pills don't work to ctb, even if they have a "theoretical" overdose quantity, in practice there are no pills reliable for ctb other than powerful opiates. Pegasos will not accept someone just for depression, the bar is high for this- unless you have very serious physical medical issues this won't work.

 

[jodes2]

e of these aren't good options, though- pills work less than 2% of the time, and when they do work they are almost always powerful opiates- they can damage your kidney and liver very likely, but most pills don't work to ctb, even if they have a "theoretical" overdose quantity, in practice there are no pills reliable for ctb other than powerful opiates. Pegasos will not accept someone just for depression, the bar is high for this- unless you have very serious physical medical issues this won't work.

Not true, you don't even need an illness to be accepted by Pegasos. You're thinking of Dignitas I expect. But thanks for clearing up about opiates

 

[Someone123]

Not true, you don't even need an illness to be accepted by Pegasos. You're thinking of Dignitas I expect. But thanks for clearing up about opiates

I just went to the Pegasos webiste and looked under their frequentloy asked questions are following is one of them with their answer:

"Does Pegasos accept young, depressed, or suicidal people?"

"Pegasos does not accept young people with depression or other severe mental illness. Rather, Pegasos will refer such applications to counselling services such as those published on the Pegasos website."

"Do you accept people with mental illness?"

"Mental illness is a vexed issue. At Pegasos we believe that you can still have mental capacity even if you suffer from long term depression. The most important thing is to tell us of your mental illness and then we can work with you for the best outcome."

So if you are older with long term depression they might accept you, but not if you are younger.

"Does Pegasos help well people to die?"

Pegasos believes that for a person to be in the headspace of considering ending their lives, their quality of life must be qualitatively poor. Pegasos accepts that some people who are not technically 'sick' may want to apply for a VAD. But this does not mean the person is 'well'. Professor David Goodall was one of these people. He was not sick but his eye sight was failing him, as was his mobility. Old age is rarely kind. The decision to end one's life is an intensely personal one. Pegasos makes every effort to understand fully the unique circumstances of everyone who makes contact with us.

So taking this all into account it appears that people will not be accepted for depression unless a person is older and has physical health problems that make their life "qualitatively poor".

 

[Funeralprincess]

Not true, you don't even need an illness to be accepted by Pegasos. You're thinking of Dignitas I expect. But thanks for clearing up about opiates

I tried applying for Pegasos before finding this site and they avidly rejected me. It wasn't an easy process

 

[jodes2]

I just went to the Pegasos webiste and looked under their frequentloy asked questions are following is one of them with their answer:

"Does Pegasos accept young, depressed, or suicidal people?"

"Pegasos does not accept young people with depression or other severe mental illness. Rather, Pegasos will refer such applications to counselling services such as those published on the Pegasos website."

"Do you accept people with mental illness?"

"Mental illness is a vexed issue. At Pegasos we believe that you can still have mental capacity even if you suffer from long term depression. The most important thing is to tell us of your mental illness and then we can work with you for the best outcome."

So if you are older with long term depression they might accept you, but not if you are younger.

"Does Pegasos help well people to die?"

Pegasos believes that for a person to be in the headspace of considering ending their lives, their quality of life must be qualitatively poor. Pegasos accepts that some people who are not technically 'sick' may want to apply for a VAD. But this does not mean the person is 'well'. Professor David Goodall was one of these people. He was not sick but his eye sight was failing him, as was his mobility. Old age is rarely kind. The decision to end one's life is an intensely personal one. Pegasos makes every effort to understand fully the unique circumstances of everyone who makes contact with us.

So taking this all into account it appears that people will not be accepted for depression unless a person is older and has physical health problems that make their life "qualitatively poor".

They don't exclude younger people outright. You just have to be over 18 for them to consider your case. Nor does it exclude people with depression. Honestly you need to read more closely

I tried applying for Pegasos before finding this site and they avidly rejected me. It wasn't an easy process

How old are you? Depression? Other issues that could validate your need to die? How much did they charge you in the end?

 

[Someone123]

They don't exclude younger people outright. You just have to be over 18 for them to consider your case. Nor does it exclude people with depression. Honestly you need to read more closely

How old are you? Depression? Other issues that could validate your need to die?

They make it very clear that they don't accept younger people with depression. They will accept older people with depression if their life is "qualitatively poor" due to certain medical health issues, and they give an example. If a person is depressed and has no physical health issues of any age they make it clear they won't be accepted- you really are not understanding what they are saying in their FAQS. If you can produce an example of a person who was accepted theree based only only on depression please do so, but I'm pretty sure they have never done this.

 

[jodes2]

They make it very clear that they don't accept younger people with depression. They will accept older people with depression if their life is "qualitatively poor" due to certain medical health issues, and they give an example. If a person is depressed and has no physical health issues of any age they make it clear they won't be accepted- you really are not understanding what they are saying in their FAQS. If you can produce an example of a person who was accepted theree based only only on depression please do so, but I'm pretty sure they have never done this.

Nowhere does it say they don't accept young people with depression. It's just less likely. But anyway at this point it's not worth arguing any further I don't think. Try it or don't. It's up to you. But I'm optimistic. And I have SN to fall back on thankfully

 

[Someone123]

Nowhere does it say they don't accept young people with depression. I

This is on their website in the FAQs: "Pegasos does not accept young people with depression or other severe mental illness. Rather, Pegasos will refer such applications to counselling services such as those published on the Pegasos website.

FAQs – Pegasos Swiss Association

pegasos-association.com

"

 

[jodes2]

This is on their website in the FAQs: "Pegasos does not accept young people with depression or other severe mental illness. Rather, Pegasos will refer such applications to counselling services such as those published on the Pegasos website.

FAQs – Pegasos Swiss Association

pegasos-association.com

"

So you have to be young AND have a severe mental illness to be rejected for certain

 

[LeavingEarly]

I tried applying for Pegasos before finding this site and they avidly rejected me. It wasn't an easy process

Did you have to submit medical records?

 

[FuneralCry]

I understand having limited access to ctb methods. It really is so difficult to die. It's just too unfair, we have already suffered enough in life so dying should be peaceful and straightforward. I hate how we live in a world that makes it as hard for us to die as possible.

 

[ifeelsobad]

Gas bag doesn't stop you breathing - technically it should be very peaceful, not that it worked for me. No-one here expects you to suffocate yourself! Pills or Sodium Nitrite or Nembutal are the way to go as long as you have an antiemetic to stop you throwing up. Is there anywhere you could jump from? Have you read up on partial suspension? Plus if you have 10k spare there's always Pegasos in Switzerland

What's a gas bag?

 

[rmack88]

I want to die I was going to do cutting but people said no to. I can't drive. I dont have a garage or car to do it that way that I wanted to do. I'm to scared to do anything like hang or put bag over head that stops breathing. I dont want to do pills because i get scare of throwing up

I dont know what to do.

Not sure about you but I'm in the US and things are hard to get. Looking at charcoal in the car or detergent in car (I'm aware to make signs for responders and find a remote spot).

 

[ifeelsobad]

Not sure about you but I'm in the US and things are hard to get. Looking at charcoal in the car or detergent in car (I'm aware to make signs for responders and find a remote spot).

What is that?

 

[rmack88]

Charcoal can be done by burning the bricks until gray and then putting them in a bucket or something metal. It puts off CO so in a car that is well sewed, it should work. Can be done in a room but you risk hurting others.

Just search the forum for lots of info. Detergent is pretty nasty but you can find the information here, but you seriously endanger others unless you make warning signs.

 

[eve1211]

Some of these aren't good options, though- pills work less than 2% of the time, and when they do work they are almost always powerful opiates- they can damage your kidney and liver very likely, but most pills don't work to ctb, even if they have a "theoretical" overdose quantity, in practice there are no pills reliable for ctb other than powerful opiates. Pegasos will not accept someone just for depression, the bar is high for this- unless you have very serious physical medical issues this won't work.

Would potassium chloride work?

 

[Someone123]

Would potassium chloride work?

I would google any options you would consider- that's what I would have to do. :)

 

[jodes2]

What's a gas bag?

A bag you seal over your head and pipe gas into to die by lack of oxygen, didn't work for me I always had to rip the bag off because I felt like I was suffocating

 

[ifeelsobad]

Charcoal can be done by burning the bricks until gray and then putting them in a bucket or something metal. It puts off CO so in a car that is well sewed, it should work. Can be done in a room but you risk hurting others.

Just search the forum for lots of info. Detergent is pretty nasty but you can find the information here, but you seriously endanger others unless you make warning signs.

Well how do you do any of these without hurting anyone else?

 

[rmack88]

Well how do you do any of these without hurting anyone else?

In a car with warning signs for any passerby people and the first responders. Just let them know gas is there and to call hazmat. Find somewhere remote for the car where you won't be around people.

 

[jodes2]

In a car with warning signs for any passerby people and the first responders. Just let them know gas is there and to call hazmat. Find somewhere remote for the car where you won't be around people.

Jeez, having warning signs is begging to be rescued but I guess it's necessary. That puts a line through the method for me. I can't think of anywhere I wouldn't be found

 

[ifeelsobad]

In a car with warning signs for any passerby people and the first responders. Just let them know gas is there and to call hazmat. Find somewhere remote for the car where you won't be around people.

I dont have a car and I don't drive

 

[SunshineAndSuicide]

Have you looked into Sodium Nitrite? Some/most places it's easy to come by, legal to buy online and not too expensive. Even if you can't buy the other medication that's recommended to go with it, it's still worth a shot? If you're motivated enough, you can consume a lethal dose even if you throw up a few times... Just a thought..

 

[Littlewittlelight]

A bag you seal over your head and pipe gas into to die by lack of oxygen, didn't work for me I always had to rip the bag off because I felt like I was suffocating

I don't know about PPeH as I haven't read it completely but these are the points I read somewhere I can find it again got bad memory but listen it was these for any inert gas t to work. 1. You ahve to exhale all the carbon dioxide before you turn on the nozzle or get inside the tent or bag as it's not oxygen that sends the choking sensation it's the CO2 if you don't exhale before you start to inhale the inert gas you will have this feeling when done correctly you would pass out in few seconds or won't have the feeling that's what they say and in second case if there is any oxygen left in the bag then it would again take time to pass out it's not the oxygen that makes you feel like suffocating it's the CO2 so you need to inhale helium and there shouldn't be any CO2 left so your body doesn't fight against it and in second case when there is oxygen there would also be carbon dioxide production when you breathe it in and when there is oxygen it would take time as your cells are still getting it instead of getting deprived of it so all you need is pure helium and it takes less and time, less of that feeling like you are suffocating. I am not claiming anything this is what the site or the article said and you could make sense of it. It's not oxygen again that makes your body fight against it you need to replace both of them and inert gas won't react with your body so it will go in and come out as it is and would be present inside the bag so you don't even need to replace it but having the nozzle slightly open would work so this is my take.
Thank you if you agree let me know and I will also try to find it again.

Have you looked into Sodium Nitrite? Some/most places it's easy to come by, legal to buy online and not too expensive. Even if you can't buy the other medication that's recommended to go with it, it's still worth a shot? If you're motivated enough, you can consume a lethal dose even if you throw up a few times... Just a thought..

Very true as they claim it doesn't have any adverse side effects still keeping in mind it's your choice and it for sure sounds better than jumping off somewhere or cutting or something so I agree with you even if you can't get the meds to stop vomitting

 

[jodes2]

I don't know about PPeH as I haven't read it completely but these are the points I read somewhere I can find it again got bad memory but listen it was these for any inert gas t to work. 1. You ahve to exhale all the carbon dioxide before you turn on the nozzle or get inside the tent or bag as it's not oxygen that sends the choking sensation it's the CO2 if you don't exhale before you start to inhale the inert gas you will have this feeling when done correctly you would pass out in few seconds or won't have the feeling that's what they say and in second case if there is any oxygen left in the bag then it would again take time to pass out it's not the oxygen that makes you feel like suffocating it's the CO2 so you need to inhale helium and there shouldn't be any CO2 left so your body doesn't fight against it and in second case when there is oxygen there would also be carbon dioxide production when you breathe it in and when there is oxygen it would take time as your cells are still getting it instead of getting deprived of it so all you need is pure helium and it takes less and time, less of that feeling like you are suffocating. I am not claiming anything this is what the site or the article said and you could make sense of it. It's not oxygen again that makes your body fight against it you need to replace both of them and inert gas won't react with your body so it will go in and come out as it is and would be present inside the bag so you don't even need to replace it but having the nozzle slightly open would work so this is my take.
Thank you if you agree let me know and I will also try to find it again.

I did exhale before putting on the bag, and I was careful not to let air into the bag. I had a flow rate meter that I had set to the recommended 15l/m but still always felt like I was suffocating. I did a test without gas, just air, and I actually lasted longer with the same volume in the bag. I also tested the gas for CO2 and nothing so I can't work out what went wrong

 

[Littlewittlelight]

By the way can I ask if you exhale properly if inert gas was your method and made sure there wasn't any oxygen using your hands to squeeze the bag until it had no air and was in contact with your face I don't even understand how to put your head in it and how to carry it out completely because if you do that it would take time and I was never able to exhale the whole air out and stay without breathing again I don't know how someone would do that quickly and if they do it by simply removing the air first then exhaling and filling it first with helium I don't even know what I am saying here but still and then sliding into it how would they secure it and the thing can be open from bottom as CO2 is denser as long as the bag stays over your head meaning your head it inside it and the bag is sitting on it the rest of the carbon dioxide would settle down too maybe once you breathe in this is the ideal situation I am again not saying from experience this is the theory I know so I am asking you and confirming why you felt and then try to learn more I don't have any experience you may know better and we really can't fight the suffocation ever even if I try my hands just what it says you can never smother your own self .

A bag you seal over your head and pipe gas into to die by lack of oxygen, didn't work for me I always had to rip the bag off because I felt like I was suffocating

I did exhale before putting on the bag, and I was careful not to let air into the bag. I had a flow rate meter that I had set to the recommended 15l/m but still always felt like I was suffocating. I did a test without gas, just air, and I actually lasted longer with the same volume in the bag. I also tested the gas for CO2 and nothing so I can't work out what went wrong

I agree you would last longer with plain air in the bag as it has oxygen which is what you don't need and I understand why you did that for experiment I see you made sure you did exhale and didn't let the air in I can't say what went wrong either because what you did exactly matches the theory and people have come out of even tents everytime they failed the article speculated there was O2 present inside the tent or they didn't exhale I found this method hard too while reading and most of the time I feel it would be suffocating although there was a couple who did this and the doctors could't even find the husband helped the woman do it was it in PPeH? I don't remember the details but this sounds like a hard one. I am sorry that this world won't let us do anything. I haven't even tried anything yet and it feels bad to hear all this that most of us can't even access these ingredients how would we and even if we get them we are coming out it suffocating like hell.

I dont have a car and I don't drive

I am sorry I feel it I don't have either nd it sucks I have I want to talk to you more can I direct message feels you are also not English native speaker and I am not either. I am assuming you didn't have access to methods and don't know about all the methods. I can sympathize with you more as we are in the same boat I just understand I will with anyone but with some people I don't know just want to talk can I?

 

[ifeelsobad]

Have you looked into Sodium Nitrite? Some/most places it's easy to come by, legal to buy online and not too expensive. Even if you can't buy the other medication that's recommended to go with it, it's still worth a shot? If you're motivated enough, you can consume a lethal dose even if you throw up a few times... Just a thought..

I have a phobia of vomiting so I can't do anything that will make me vomit