Venting I find it really disturbing how humans procreate, pronatalists make me want to die even more

[ThatStateOfMind]

@FuneralCry Let me help you understand how it feels… by changing a few words in a selection of sentences in your post. And no, I don't agree that just because being a parent is a choice, it makes it ok to be attacked whereas not having a choice about being neurodivergent protects you.

This is the suicide discussion forum - your post isn't a suicide discussion. Feel free to get it moved to Offtopic.

Note - I don't actually agree with the following, I'm just making a point.

I really do find it disturbing how people with neurodivergence actually choose to post here.

Gay people make me want to not exist even more as it's disturbing the lack of compassion they have for others.

How could anyone be so selfish to impose the hopeless abomination that are Asians, it's really criminal to do such a thing.

I agree with a lot of what you said, and I don't think parents should be attacked here. However, every example you used included a minority group. Parents are not a minority in the same way as the others you mentioned.

Neurodivergency is a very encompassing term with conditions such as autism, ADHD, dyslexia, etc. It is advocated for the rights and inclusion of these people. They have protections in terms of employment as well.

Gay people have historically faced discrimination, persecution, and even violence due to their sexual orientation. Many countries have laws protecting the rights of gay and LGTBQ individuals against employment, shelter/housing, etc.

Asians, similarly to LGTBQ, have faced various forms of discrimination as well. Xenophobia and discrimination was rampant in the wake of WWII. Even now, they might deal with stereotypes, xenophobia, and racism. They also have laws and policies protecting them.

In contrast to those groups, parental status is not considered a protected characteristic in the same way as disability, sexual orientation, or race. There are some laws protecting familial status, but that seems entirely different.

I also want to stress I completely agree with every other thing you said, and parents should NOT be attacked on here. I'm not a parent, but everyone here is struggling in some way, shape, or form, including parents. Maybe you should use the ignore feature on FuneralCry's post if it upsets you, but you are well within your rights to share opinions, as is FuneralCry.

 

[Tesha]

Hi @ThatStateOfMind I appreciate your input.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with anything you say, and maybe my examples were Ill thought out; I was feeling fairly emotional at the time. As a gay person as well as parent, I know that being gay is in the minority when compared to being a parent. What I can also say is I've been 'attacked' (for want of a better word) for being gay, but personally it wasn't as emotionally impactful compared to being attacked as a parent. Maybe it's just the stage of my suicidal ideation that makes me feel like this, but to me it's valid either way.

 

[thewalkingdread]

Parents are not a minority

Not only natalism/pro-lifeism — i. e. "Parenting" — is the prevailing ideology of the majority but also a cornerstone for most cultures and societies throughout the world.

Parents are the first authoritarian figures a child will have to contend with in her life. Parents are considered to be a basic fundamental institution like the Government, the State, without which — the fear mongering makes believe! — society would implode amidst chaos.

Things usually don't work out well when one starts to question the authoritarian nature and legitimacy of a Government. Or a parent, for that matter...

Hence, most antinatalists can't really speak their mind openly about it out there because, the moment they do, they are shunned and violently shutdown, gaslitghted as crazy extinctionists... Common people will suddenly stop their routines and will rain down upon you, as if they were a herd of agents Smiths trying to beat the shit out of Neo, and as if you were a mind vírus, trying to corrupt everything.

Parents, the Government, the Cartel, Michael Jackson, Elon Musk or whatever powerful authority figure you can think of... If you challenge the legitimacy of their authority, usually things will end up with the same cliché: "Shut the fuck up, or else... you'll end up like swiss cheese in a gutter!"

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

Hi @ThatStateOfMind I appreciate your input.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with anything you say, and maybe my examples were Ill thought out; I was feeling fairly emotional at the time. As a gay person as well as parent, I know that being gay is in the minority when compared to being a parent. What I can also say is I've been 'attacked' (for want of a better word) for being gay, but personally it wasn't as emotionally impactful compared to being attacked as a parent. Maybe it's just the stage of my suicidal ideation that makes me feel like this, but to me it's valid either way.

I completely understand. Heat of the moment, suicidal thoughts, and feeling personally attacked influenced it. It's valid, don't get me wrong, I was just sharing my two cents, I suppose.

 

[DarknessAndDespair]

Everytime I see a pregnant woman I feel so sorry for the child. Prolifers think they can have control over their children life. How pathetic, their will children endure school, work, society rules, parental rules, diseases, abuse, addictions, poverty, etc etc and in the end to die anyway. Plus there is a high probability that the kid can become an abuser or killer as well, tormenting others people's life.

I know some ladies that regret having children after an event, because they realised there's too much that goes wrong in life.

 

[PINKIESISU]

I really do find it disturbing how humans actually choose to bring life here, it disturbs me how they choose to impose decades of meaningless suffering onto others even know nobody can be harmed by never existing at all. To me procreation is so evil as it's the source of all human suffering, it's a tragedy how that crime continues to be committed causing immense harm as a result. It's just horrific how new life continues to be forced here day after day.

Pronatalists make me want to not exist even more as it's disturbing the lack of compassion they have for others, it's disturbing how they would actually choose to force life to exist even know existing is nothing but pointless and meaningless suffering.
And in this reality where chance so senselessly determines everything there is literally no limit as to how much one can be tormented all while they are just waiting to die destined for nothing but to die a slow, painful death from old age if they exist for long enough. How could anyone be so selfish to impose the hopeless abomination that is human existence, it's really criminal to do such a thing, it's just so devastating how they choose to make others suffer, why procreate when never existing is perfection and more than anything I wish I never existed.

I despise this disgusting, hellish world, under no circumstances would I ever wish to be conscious and aware, existing is beyond undesirable. And it's so sadistic how despite all this there isn't even the option to easily die in peace, we really are paying the price because of the crime to procreate, to exist is an punishment.

That's one thing I love about me never had any intimacy never had any sex I'm 50 years old I couldn't care less and I'm glad that I've never experienced it and I never want to not with a human body disgusting gross pathetic fuck the human form stupid ass mammal shit

 

[wildflowers1996]

I think I am an antinatalist at this point. :(
That isn't to say I don't think many parents really love their children.
It's just you can never know whether or not your child will be glad to have been born.
There's a chance the child will be happy, but you can never be sure.
I think we should prioritise minimising suffering over maximising happiness, though I can't really say why.

People who have children though, may well believe their children will be happy and glad to be alive. Having children is also seen as a norm and some people may also be told they are selfish to NOT have children - to not give them the "gift of life". There is often pressure from people around them to have children. They may also be religious and believe that their purpose is to have children.

I wish my parents never had me, and I do wish they had perhaps thought their decision through more. Were their reasons for having children to benefit themselves? Maybe partially, but I think they assumed their children would be happy and glad to be alive.
I don't feel my parents really understand depression in the way I feel it. And they don't want me to suffer. I love them and I don't want to resent them for my pain. It's everyone's first time on Earth, as far as we know. They never asked to be here either, and they just thought it would be nice to have a family. They had no idea the misery I would end up feeling.