I don’t understand why this place is so vilified

[ThatStateOfMind]

This place is so vilified for some reason. I guess because we don't think everyone should have to suffer? Even then, that's not all this community is. This community has helped me sort through feelings.

I've talked about my breakup and received genuinely kind and positive feedback and words. But the articles and videos like to paint the negative of this site.

I'll never understand it, more than likely.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I think most people think this site is just a bunch of depressed people encouraging each other to off themselves. Most of them haven't spent much, or any, time here.

 

[speck]

IMO:
People make a big deal about destigmatizing mental illness but that really just means they want people to talk about it AND live with it. Talking is supposed to be the salve and solution.
But many people here talk methods, make guides, share contacts, and sometimes actually exit on their own terms. I think a lot of people outside of this site think this is harmful and that this type of behavior should be discouraged and banned as "harm reduction"…but I think that most of those people don't realize that there's a huge divide between standard clinical depression/anxiety and the posters who are experiencing non-stop suicidal ideation. They lack the ability to fully empathize with SS posters and think that living is the answer. That makes the posters here, who might support a fellow poster in their decision to exit, seem like villains from an outsider perspective- and the website an evil tool.

Tldr: people are known to walk the walk here rather than just talk the talk and this isn't allowed on other sites. This seems dangerous to outsiders who think that this violates social norms and mores.

 

[Unending]

My experience interacting with others makes me think that there's just no way to make somebody understand if they don't have either the empathy, personal experience, or both to bridge the gap in perception.

Those who have suffered horribly enough and long enough despite overwhelming effort to get better will usually understand why there comes a point when ctb is a perfectly reasonable option.

That being said, I think people should have the autonomy to exit regardless but yeah, I can't understand how anyone would look at an extreme case of decades long depression and still say "It gets better! Hang in there!"

Anyways, yeah like I said my best bet on why the site is villified comes down to the gap in perception between us who have suffered so chronically and those who are ignorant to the torment.

 

[Falseunderworld]

People don't wanna see it until someone young gets hurt in their eyes. We only matter when someone else dies on our word, in their eyes. We only matter when someone else dies on our word? But it's not even our fault. We're only just sharing experiences and helping each other understand and deal with suicidal idealization.

But now that they see it, we are automatically the villains, just because were understanding of each other, and don't want to be hospitalized just because we have these feelings

. And these feelings to them. are stigmatized And seem irrational, Because they don't deal with what we deal with.

 

[stilhavinightmares]

Just the classic —- when people don't understand they demonize —- ignorance. :)

 

[bijou]

i've only recently been posting here, but my experience so far has been more akin to peer support, and i intend to keep it that way. being on proana forums similar to this one in the past, i am obviously, overwhelmingly for spaces like these. it is important to have online places where people can relate to each other in a genuine way. it gives socially reclusive people the opportunity to speak to like-minded people without fear of judgment. ofherbsandalters talks about why proana forums are important and i believe it can apply here as well.

 

[aSilentVoice]

Those who aren't chronically depressed, facing bleak circumstances, etc, sometimes seem to not be able to understand the realities of those who are. Maybe it's scares them, maybe they don't want to see it? If they felt our reasons for wanting to CTB were justified, what would that mean for them and their outlook on life?

 

[DukeDestroyer]

This place is something to come back to and actually speak my mind unfiltered. Society is such a joke, I don't care to talk to people in IRL. I love being alone, it took ages to get used to. If you can get used to it, you will never want to go back.

 

[jodes2]

They don't have a fucking clue how awesome this site is. Assholes

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

i've only recently been posting here, but my experience so far has been more akin to peer support, and i intend to keep it that way. being on proana forums similar to this one in the past, i am obviously, overwhelmingly for spaces like these. it is important to have online places where people can relate to each other in a genuine way. it gives socially reclusive people the opportunity to speak to like-minded people without fear of judgment. ofherbsandalters talks about why proana forums are important and i believe it can apply here as well.

Well you can find a lot of support here, so welcome. I'm here for a lot of the same reason.

They don't have a fucking clue how awesome this site is. Assholes

I agree.

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

Sorry I can't individually reply to everyone, that would take ages but I agree with what all of you say as well. It's likely a case of demonizing what they don't understand and looking in from the outside, with a limited view of what it is. It's much more than anyone outside of the community here could ever understand.

 

[SamTam33]

I can't reconcile how they're seemingly ok with all the other death occuring around them, but suicide is unacceptable.

They'll call the police if someone they know expresses the desire to commit suicide, but are they donating blood to keep other people from dying?

How many of these same fuckers are on the organ donation list? How many are volunteering at soup kitchens to feed the poor and keep them alive?

They want to shut this site down, but are they voting for candidates who support gun control?

How is it that they supposedly care about life but they aren't doing anything except harassing people who want to commit suicide?

They're full of shit.

 

[EndlessX]

I can't reconcile how they're seemingly ok with all the other death occuring around them, but suicide is unacceptable.

They'll call the police if someone they know expresses the desire to commit suicide, but are they donating blood to keep other people from dying?

How many of these same fuckers are on the organ donation list? How many are volunteering at soup kitchens to feed the poor and keep them alive?

They want to shut this site down, but are they voting for candidates who support gun control?

How is it that they supposedly care about life but they aren't doing anything except harassing people who want to commit suicide?

They're full of shit.

that's it they don't care its beyond stupid it makes them feel uncomfortable and threatens their beliefs which makes them want to shut this site down I have no words its stupid

 

[LastFlowers]

Most of those who have or would vilify this place can't even manage to make things easier on the suicidal people directly relative to them.
And they should really start there.
If these people as individuals started to reflect on how they go about their lives, how they treat those around them, just stopping to think for a moment and observing rather than getting caught up in a blind group panic and misdirect, then maybe there would be an opportunity for understanding and empathy.

I really wonder what would happen if all of the people against this place were isolated from the crowd.
Take away their audience and their concern for their own reputation, just let them be alone and stew in their thoughts, without the constant status quo influence.
I'm a firm believer that most people in this society are "too caught up in it" and need to have someone press pause on their momentum, in order for thoughtfulness and change to occur.

Most of us here have had plenty of time alone, admittedly involuntarily for some, but I don't think that's always a bad thing.
I don't think the pandemic really accomplished this either, because people were still holed up with others 24/7 and chronically online in spaces that just echoed the usual platitudes.


I'm just so tired personally. I don't have much left in me to fight this battle, I have enough going on that brought me here in the first place. I'm waging a war in my own time.
Everyone should just leave this community alone.
Just let us be.
We are not here to be a spectacle or a scapegoat.
People here are suffering tremendously and have nowhere else to navigate it, or speak on it, whether they end up actually taking their life or not.

I remember when I first came here, I was afraid to say anything but I really had no choice, no other options. I had nobody who would actively listen with compassion and an open mind and so many sudden additional stressors & antagonistic elements at that point in time.
I had to have a voice somewhere about this topic and I was just glad this site even existed.
It was back when it was much more difficult to find.
A clandestine haven.
I was actually shocked at how nice the community was, I mean for a ragtag collection of miserable people you guys sure did make every other landmark of the internet look even more monstrous and intimidating in comparison.

Don't get me wrong, there have been bumps in the road, some in-site harassment, nastiness and hypocrisy, I've had my share of arguments here..although I have found myself still able to have pleasant interactions with a lot of the people I bumped heads with, after the fact.
Idk that I can say that about many interactions elsewhere.
Maybe it's because I don't pay enough attention to usernames lol or the fact that I don't go back and check many of the posts I commented on so I'm just oblivious to worse, but for the most part I have always felt the safest here, welcome.
This wanes when I leave for extended periods of time and may no longer see any familiar faces, maybe things have changed more than I realize..but I at least thought most of the excess fuss and fear was over once the NYT scare died down.
That article really accomplished the opposite of its goal though, as so many more people can find out about this site now.
It's not as shadowed as it was when I first arrived.
And I'm wondering if it's only going to continue to be blown open to the wrong sorts of people as time goes on.
The members who always stuck to the pms are making a lot more sense right about now.

Presently, with all the fresh and recent negative publicity this site has received once again, I am stuck between the fear of having my voice here erased forever..or mercilessly torn apart somehow.
To be honest, I should not still be here.
I am very anxious to get things over with and I have even more pressing concerns and people to deal with outside of this place, but there are reasons I've had to prolong the preparation phase and this site has become something necessary to lean on, somewhere to leave a lot of my final words..as scattered and bitter and broken as they may be.
It's more than I have "IRL".
And that's pretty telling.
Imagine wanting to sully that?
Or trying to rip it away..

I don't want to ultimately end up feeling as I do any place else…forced to kneel and take the beatings of my predicament with silence, or forced to offer up my open wounds only to have hands reach in and twist, while I must refrain from wincing or moving a muscle.

I don't know what other place these detractors have in mind for us to go..
Smack back into their folded arms and turned backs?
They have nothing real to offer.
It's worse than those religious sirens outside abortion clinics who promise would-be mothers the world, then if the woman relents and has the baby she soon realizes the emptiness of all those sweet sounding promises, where the only genuine goal was to accomplish life..without any quality of said life.

Too many of us have already made up our minds, and even those who haven't are still done with the usual unhelpful (and harmful) charade.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Sadly, I don't think they look beyond the method resources, goodbye threads and the most Nihilistic posts. Plus, I think the major worry they have is that minors and people that they think are vulnerable and easily influenced are being 'exposed' to something 'dangerous'.

I personally don't like the thought of children being on here. It's not to say I'm not sympathetic to them. I was suicidal aged 10 onwards. I just think you CAN be highly influenced and emotionally reactive as a child. I don't think this is a good environment for that. This is a larger problem with the internet though. Children are likely exposed to lots of things that they really shouldn't be.

It's not to say this place will bully or coerce them into doing it (I've NEVER seen that here.) It does give people access to knowledge about more peaceful methods though. It's utterly cruel of course but I expect that's how society traps so many of us here for so long- we are simply too afraid of the more brutal or unreliable methods still available to us. Plus- without proper knowledge, I'd imagine there's far more chance of these method failing. Society doesn't seem to care about this too much- so long as you are alive still- in any state.

In the suicide section specifically- we make an effort not to undermine one another's problems and feelings- because we would hate that ourselves. It's not to say we NEVER suggest recovery- if the OP seems unsure- or open to that. Still- if they don't- we generally support them in their decision- no matter the motive. I think a lot of 'normies' struggle with this because they seem to think that most- if not ALL problems can and MUST be fixed.

I know we tend to 'defend' this place using the recovery section. However, picturing how I imagine they see the worse case scenario: a minor or 'vulnerable' person in a momentary period of despair finds their way here. The likelihood is that they didn't come here for recovery- I imagine they will spend the majority of time in the suicide discussion section. In which case, they will have access to all the knowledge about the methods. We will likely validate their pain- because we feel genuinely bad for them. They will likely only be nudged towards the recovery section if they seem like they want to recover. I think this is enough to greatly alarm the 'normies' who seem to think that EVERYONE should be talked into recovery- by other suicidal people no less!

They simply don't seem to want to accept that 'recovery' doesn't work for everyone. That the 'help' out there has either failed many people here- or worse- has made their situation even harder. Why would we push that on someone who doesn't even seem to be asking for it?!!

I think what it comes down to- and the thing I struggle with is this idea of the 'vulnerable' person. The person who is not in a fit enough state of mind to be able to make decisions for themselves. We generally class children in this bracket as well as people with mental illness. Just how many people here are in that category though? How do you decide that someone is infirm? I don't think I've ever come across someone here who didn't seem to have a full grasp of their situation, why they find it so intolerable, why they can't change it- so why they feel the need to go. That doesn't seem infirm to me.

People would argue that we are (all likely) depressed. That it is in fact the depression talking. Some people here know that already though- they're taking meds for it but don't like the effects and no longer want to fight it. Others don't want to fight it to begin with. They see it as a rational reaction to living in this world- rather than an illness. Are we ALL really crazy and vulnerable? I beg to differ.

 

[UKscotty]

It's an affect of capitalism sadly. The 1% need every one to be alive to slave away so that they in the top 1% can live a life of obscene luxury.
If people woke up, most the human race would realise life is completely pointless and meaningless and CTB would be rife, depriving the 1% of the slaves they need to maintain the status quo.

 

[d3c96524be95]

Most people cannot understand one can suffer mentally just as badly one can suffer physically (if that's even comparable). They don't get how wrecked we are because by definition there's no way to objectify it. They think solutions exist, and to some extent that's true, but they highly overestimate their efficiency and scope.

Also cultural beliefs. Suicide is seen as shameful and selfish, death as bad, life as sanctified. People tend to be become intolerant and inflexible when something contradicts morality rules they've arbitrarily set. So when a website is unopinionated about suicide and doesn't do information retention, it hurts them because that goes against beliefs they were taught very young.

 

[FuneralCry]

It's because so many people in this world are blinded by their delusional pro suffering beliefs and they are in denial of the fact that wanting suicide is a perfectly rational response to not seeing existence as being worth enduring. People act like suicide is the worst thing, which is insanity to me, instead the thing that is the worst is forcing people to suffer against their wishes. It's disgusting how many people see existence as being an obligation rather than a choice.

 

[Yamada]

This place is so vilified for some reason. I guess because we don't think everyone should have to suffer?

I mean, suicide has always stigmatized. I feel like eventually we'll reach a middle ground as a society where it isn't always seen so negatively. We need more research and more practical discussion on when somebody may be past recovery and what that means for them. (Beyond it just being their choice either way.)

To many having people provide suggestions is just as good as murder, and places like this can be seen as an echo chamber to further distress and pain.

It's because so many people in this world are blinded by their delusional pro suffering beliefs and they are in denial of the fact that wanting suicide is a perfectly rational response to not seeing existence as being worth enduring. People act like suicide is the worst thing, which is insanity to me, instead the thing that is the worst is forcing people to suffer against their wishes. It's disgusting how many people see existence as being an obligation rather than a choice.

The funny thing to me is these are often the same people that will talk about "being at peace now" when someone dies from illness. Like???? They're the same thing?? Why pretend one is any less rational, particularly when somebody can logically explain why life isn't worth living for them.

 

[pyroxenic]

I can understand the distaste for sites like these from people who dont understand/never exprienced suicidal thoughts before. But, a lot of people around us (family, friends and what not) are mostly not equipped to handle topics around suicide and depression especially if it comes from their close loved ones. Which i personally find reasonable and its okay for others to not have strenght to talk much around these topics. That being said, for people like us here who dont want to burden our loved ones with such heavy feelings and emotions, where are we supposed to go? Medical field today are still not equipped to handle suicidal people either (this is especially true in developing countries!) , we are demonised and are given 'happy pills' and are expected to just suck it up and keep on going. A lot of us are probably still here because of guilt and the issue of actually CTB is too complex and risks are too high.

Forums like this one is needed, if this forum specifically was more toxic then id probably agree with the outsiders, there are still problems here that are concerning, and because this forum attracts really mentally ill people anyways its bound to have some bad apples who are too pesimisstic and very anti-recovery. Still, there are barely any online spaces centering on CTB, if there are its heavily censored anyways.

Its cruel to be forced to keep on living because you are begged not to go, its a complicated issue anyways but a lot of 'outsiders' dont think of that very much.

 

[watchingthewheels]

This place is so vilified for some reason. I guess because we don't think everyone should have to suffer? Even then, that's not all this community is. This community has helped me sort through feelings.

I've talked about my breakup and received genuinely kind and positive feedback and words. But the articles and videos like to paint the negative of this site.

I'll never understand it, more than likely.

It does the site no favors when there are multiple threads advocating for genocide of the entire human race...

 

[GettingOut]

People don't understand what they haven't experienced.

As an analogy, I used to be irritated by the drive that all building designs have to be wheelchair-friendly with ramp, parking and disability toilet even if these might never used; that is until I ended up in a wheelchair. Now I experience firsthand discrimination against those with disabilities! Not nearly enough is being done so that wheelchair users can have the same quality of life. (Ironically, only those on this forum who are disabled will fully appreciate what I'm talking about.)

Only if people experience a debilitating life without the prospect to recover, will they appreciate the benefits of having a forum like this!

 

[LastFlowers]

It does the site no favors when there are multiple threads advocating for genocide of the entire human race...

Genocide isn't really defined in a way where you could apply it to the entirety of humans at once.
And what threads are you talking about?
I've seen no such threads "advocating for genocide"; that's a rather inflammatory statement.
Clearly there is nuance that is being omitted here.

 

[watchingthewheels]

Genocide isn't really defined in a way where you could apply it to the entirety of humans at once.
And what threads are you talking about?
I've seen no such threads "advocating for genocide"; that's a rather inflammatory statement.
Clearly there is nuance that is being omitted here.

You're correct. "Genocide" is not the precise word. The correct word is "omnicide."

Human extinction - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The advocacy of wiping out the human race has been expressed here multiple times.

Inflammatory? Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger...
(And no, I am omitting nothing; no nuance missing, those were direct sentiments by people with screen handles such as "misanthrope".)

The human race is not worth saving.

When i was younger I used to be so scared of the world ending but now as I grow older I believe this is no longer a world and species worth saving anymore. The human race just is not worth it. I will be happy when the world ends if nuclear annihilation comes or climate change ends up destroying...

sanctioned-suicide.net

"The human race just is not worth it. I will be happy when the world ends if nuclear annihilation comes or climate change ends up destroying the planet."

misanthropy

so i guess this topic does what it says on the tin essentially, do you or anybody you know irl identify as misanthropic ?, i have distanced myself from everybody i know irl, and it has many benefits, being on your lonesome you aren’t judged, compared to or trying to be anybody your not in order...

sanctioned-suicide.net

"i want to watch the human race burn in a pit if that counts XD"
"humanity was a mistake...nuclear holocaust/asteroid impact/the flood/global cooling/space alien initiated homo sapiens genocide NOW"

i hope the world ends soon

It's not. No risk. Russian nukes probably doesn't even work. lol

sanctioned-suicide.net

"i hope the world ends soon"

"You and me both. The world coming to an end is the achievement of world peace."

"maybe war, climate change, crime or something will take the burden of killing me from my hands."
"I wouldn't be opposed to something that just took the human race out."

Does anyone else want to end the world?

I've been trying to ctb, but peaceful methods are beyond my reach. And since I come from a religious background, I consider some aspects of afterlife events as plausible. Mainly, hell and reincarnation. I think that if those two exist, we may be in for an even shittier time than we realize. But...

sanctioned-suicide.net

"I want to destroy the world. No humans=no suffering/grief/evil/everything bad. Extinction of mankind would be a favour to humanity. Even those who want to live cant be mad or regret or grieve after they're dead."


And there's plenty more where all that came from...

 

[LastFlowers]

"Genocide" may not be the precise word, but the sentiment of wiping out the human race has been expressed here multiple times. Inflammatory? Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger...
(And no, I am omitting nothing; no nuance missing, those were direct sentiments.)

It's fine if it's not the most fitting word, but yes the statement taken on its own is a problem and can result in sensationalism, when there is nothing really backing it up.

I'm quite certain whatever threads or topics you're distilling are not that simple.
I don't want to derail the thread we are on, but a comment like that requires a lot more explanation and evidence than was given.
That's all.
(So I'm not sure I should continue after this.)

There is a big difference between someone calling for mass harm or mass killing versus someone pointing out the flaws inherent to all of humanity or outlining a philosophy that may ultimately lead to the petering out of mankind in order to eliminate suffering.
And I'm guessing those latter two are being confused for the former, or something similar is going on.
Otherwise I have not seen what you are talking about.
My intention was not to shoot the messenger, but requesting that the message be expanded upon.

 

[watchingthewheels]

It's fine if it's not the most fitting word, but yes the statement taken on its own is a problem, when there is nothing really backing it up.

I'm quite certain whatever threads or topics you're distilling are not that simple.
I don't want to derail the thread we are on, but a comment like that requires a lot more explanation and evidence than was given.
That's all.

There is a big difference between someone calling for mass harm or mass killing versus someone pointing out the flaws inherent to all of humanity or outlining a philosophy that may ultimately lead to the petering out of mankind in order to eliminate suffering.
And I'm guessing those latter two are being confused for the former, or something similar is going on.
Otherwise I have not seen what you are talking about.

I just provided several examples of people advocating for omnicide, in response to the question of why this site is vilified. It's not rocket science...(and even if there were "nuance" to statements like "I want to destroy the world...Extinction of mankind would be a favour to humanity", would that matter to those who "vilify" this site, who perhaps don't want to be be extinct? Especially when that same person said that he didn't care about that, that "Even those who want to live cant be mad or regret or grieve after they're dead"? )

Again, the point is that statements such as that do no favors for the public image of this site, but rather, lend ammunition to vilification. There's nothing "hard to understand" about that.

[Edit: additional thought: if a website allowed people to encourage and express a desire for genocide, would it not be vilified? If a fascist/Nazi website had comments and threads advocating genocide against Jews, or a KKK site doing the same against non-whites, would you make excuses for them, while looking for "nuance"? So, why wouldn't a site that allowed encouragement and expression of omnicide? Somehow that's better than the genocide of the Jews by the Nazis, or the genocide of the Holodomor in the Ukraine by the Soviets? And saying that other websites or people express similar viewpoints re omnicide is besides the point, as is whether or not they can actually accomplish it (how many people did Hitler and Stalin kill, again?). That's just a "whataboutism" that moving the goalpost in the question of why THIS site is vilified. And the response I received, that tried to find "nuance", and even expressed sympathy with omnicidal sentiments, just proves the point. (When Nazis want genocide, it's bad, but when the suicidal want omnicide, it, it's ok? And people suddenly can't understand why the site is vilified? Or cry about a lack of "emphathy" out there when there are people HERE who don't care if the whole world dies just to satisfy their own deathwish because they can't full the trigger themselves? Talk about pot/kettle/black; I mean, C'mon..]

(And yes, the site is called "Sanctioned Suicide", and those "destroy all humanity" posts aren't the whole of the site. Or, they claim that critics wrongly claim that the site encourages suicide...but how is it unfair when there not only ARE those here who encourage suicide, but also threads defend and encourage omnicide? And since those threads and comments ARE allowed, and even encouraged by other users without repercussion, guess what happens to "nuance"? Might as well call it "Sanctioned Omnicide"...just don't act all shocked and innocent when the site is vilified.)

 

[LastFlowers]

You're correct. "Genocide" is not the precise word. The correct word is "omnicide."

Human extinction - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The advocacy of wiping out the human race has been expressed here multiple times.

Inflammatory? Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger...
(And no, I am omitting nothing; no nuance missing, those were direct sentiments by people with screen handles such as "misanthrope".)

The human race is not worth saving.

When i was younger I used to be so scared of the world ending but now as I grow older I believe this is no longer a world and species worth saving anymore. The human race just is not worth it. I will be happy when the world ends if nuclear annihilation comes or climate change ends up destroying...

sanctioned-suicide.net

"The human race just is not worth it. I will be happy when the world ends if nuclear annihilation comes or climate change ends up destroying the planet."

misanthropy

so i guess this topic does what it says on the tin essentially, do you or anybody you know irl identify as misanthropic ?, i have distanced myself from everybody i know irl, and it has many benefits, being on your lonesome you aren’t judged, compared to or trying to be anybody your not in order...

sanctioned-suicide.net

"i want to watch the human race burn in a pit if that counts XD"
"humanity was a mistake...nuclear holocaust/asteroid impact/the flood/global cooling/space alien initiated homo sapiens genocide NOW"

i hope the world ends soon

It's not. No risk. Russian nukes probably doesn't even work. lol

sanctioned-suicide.net

"You and me both. The world coming to an end is the achievement of world peace."

"maybe war, climate change, crime or something will take the burden of killing me from my hands."
"I wouldn't be opposed to something that just took the human race out."

Does anyone else want to end the world?

I've been trying to ctb, but peaceful methods are beyond my reach. And since I come from a religious background, I consider some aspects of afterlife events as plausible. Mainly, hell and reincarnation. I think that if those two exist, we may be in for an even shittier time than we realize. But...

sanctioned-suicide.net

"I want to destroy the world. No humans=no suffering/grief/evil/everything bad. Extinction of mankind would be a favour to humanity. Even those who want to live cant be mad or regret or grieve after they're dead."


And there's plenty more where all that came from...

Those statements are a lot more individual and inane than I was expecting.
I've seen and heard that sort of stuff all the time on other parts of the internet and in every day conversation.
Even people who are against this site or have no personal concept of suicide have made statements like that.
You think they have the power to actually do anything about it?
It's just desperate, suffering or cruelly ostracized/mistreated people wanting the pain and all the sources of torment to perish.
For themselves, and perhaps for anyone who may come after.
There are plenty of valid arguments and conversations that can be had about why they actually have a point.

The human race being a plague on the earth is a very common sentiment. Not just here.
(And then there is the subject of other sentient life being stuck in an endless cycle of suffering as well.)
So is misanthropy. Surprisingly enough.
Cognitive dissonance and all..

I honestly wouldn't be opposed to the world ending either but that's a little different than what you were originally implying.
In a way, our own world already ends once we inevitably die anyhow, or when there are those of us who realize there is no quality or worthy life to be had for so many unfortunate people.
Only struggle and survival for an unspecified length of time.
I'd say taking a gamble on someone else's existence, the casual sacrifice of those who will ultimately and undeniably be dealt a bad hand and chaining so many human beings to perpetual & excruciating suffering is far more reprehensible and worthy of chastising.

Thank you for the effort in offering me examples though, I'm not sure there's much else I can say as of now.

 

[SamTam33]

People don't understand what they haven't experienced.

As an analogy, I used to be irritated by the drive that all building designs have to be wheelchair-friendly with ramp, parking and disability toilet even if these might never used; that is until I ended up in a wheelchair. Now I experience firsthand discrimination against those with disabilities! Not nearly enough is being done so that wheelchair users can have the same quality of life. (Ironically, only those on this forum who are disabled will fully appreciate what I'm talking about.)

Only if people experience a debilitating life without the prospect to recover, will they appreciate the benefits of having a forum like this!

This is one of the things I despise most about human beings.

We're supposed to be so damn intelligent and advanced, yet we can't empathize and imagine what it's like to be someone other than ourselves.

If we don't see it or experience it, then it must not exist... That's the opposite of intelligent.

In some regards, it's flat-out evil. Because we DO possess the attributes required to empathize (e.g. an imagination), but we deliberately choose not to utilize it.

Instead, we deny the hardship/discrimination even exists.

But then when it happens to us, suddenly it becomes real. Arrogant, selfish, evil human beings.

 

[ephemerality]

all i've ever seen in the media is this site being painted as "people encouraging each other to CTB", and by picking specific cases it's quite easy to back up that portrayal. most people who would write articles about here are very likely to be against the site's concept, not understanding what other people can go through, and their confirmation bias will lead them to only look at the negatives. hell, even i believed that before spending a bit of time on the site. it's that pervasive "there's always a better solution!" mindset combined with refusing to see any redeeming qualities, and if you only see one side of the story... you're going to believe that side.