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TimeLawyer

TimeLawyer

Now scheduled for deletion. Goodbye all
Oct 10, 2019
70
I dont understand the people here who are severely angry. I dont think you did anything wrong, you just wanted to suggest an alternative for whatever he's dealing with. This place is pro-choice so while we should be allowed to discuss methods, people show be allowed to talk about other stuff
Well the personal attack part I do regret but idk why I'm getting so much flack for my ideas themselves as I've heard them over and over on here.Also many users here make people doubt themselves or say those who can't recover but still live should be separated from society or locked away. I used to express the opposite of such ideas on here, radical tolerance and freedom of thoyght and action but got invalidated and told to just isolate myself and never get close to anyone, run out and stay in the wilderness like I'm fucking bear Grylls. This site made me feel I couldnt be myself or believe what I believe anymore and I just snapped. I'm sorry op you didn't deserve the personal attack,
 
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I dont understand the people here who are severely angry. I dont think you did anything wrong, you just wanted to suggest an alternative for whatever he's dealing with. This place is pro-choice so while we should be allowed to discuss methods, people show be allowed to talk about other stuff

TimeLawyer deleted 3 or 4 nasty comments the fragments of which you can still read in my responses to them. They themselves admitted they were harsh:

I apologies everyone for my comments in this thread I realise they may have been harsh

Do you agree with them that "if burn survivors and the homeless are still here (alive), we should be here too (stay alive no matter how much pain we're in)"? Do you think that suicidal people who can't recover should be in a locked facility or in the wilderness, forced to stay alive against their will?

I used to express the opposite of such ideas on here, radical tolerance and freedom of thoyght and action but got invalidated and told to just isolate myself and never get close to anyone, run out and stay in the wilderness like I'm fucking bear Grylls. This site made me feel I couldnt be myself or believe what I believe anymore and I just snapped.

Who invalidated you & told you to isolate yourself? Why did that happen?
 
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holy shit how did I spell 'should' as 'show'.
 
WorthlessTrash

WorthlessTrash

Worthless
Apr 19, 2022
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Well the personal attack part I do regret but idk why I'm getting so much flack for my ideas themselves as I've heard them over and over on here.Also many users here make people doubt themselves or say those who can't recover but still live should be separated from society or locked away. I used to express the opposite of such ideas on here, radical tolerance and freedom of thoyght and action but got invalidated and told to just isolate myself and never get close to anyone, run out and stay in the wilderness like I'm fucking bear Grylls. This site made me feel I couldnt be myself or believe what I believe anymore and I just snapped. I'm sorry op you didn't deserve the personal attack,
Who is convincing anyone on here they can't recover?? Where did you pull that out of??

Telling people they have a right to CTB is not the same as telling them they can't recover. Ultimately it is their decision if they can/want to.
 
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Nov 13, 2020
905
I feel hopeless and helpless. I try to improve but life always disappoints me.
 
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I meant that they were saying those things to people who self identified as not being able to recover
Ah, understandable then. Now I see what you mean.
Multiple times on this forum, I said I couldn't and didn't want to recover and abide by society's standards of morality I have read these things said to other posters virtually every day I come on here as well
I just don't think I have ever seen posts saying people self claim to not be able to recover.
 
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People say that they feel they can't recover on here literally every day from what I've seen (in suicide section not so much the others)
I am referring to people who say that people self identify that they can't recover, not the people that identify that themselves.

and it's possible some people can recover that say that. I am one of those people that can recover (or cope as much as I can), but chooses not to.
 
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TimeLawyer

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Oct 10, 2019
70
Just wanted to say before this account is deleted I apologize op for the personal attack. I am going to disable my account now so will not be replying to anyone in this thread any more. As for my ideas themselves, I do not know if I believe that stuff wholeheartedly but I am leaning towards such beliefs. I have just heard the same things over and over I feel like I have been brainwashed. I wish I had quit this place long ago. I have become somebody I do not recognise. To those who were like me as I was before, I wish you peace. I see you. You exist despite what you will be told by the world and this site. I don't know what should be done with us. You will hear talk of jails and bringing back asylums, or "just go and live in the bush and never talk to anyone ever again, it's so easy" Fuck that. I was a fool to expect to be seen, heard or to ever be allowed to have a voice. I wish we could let people be in society, believe that it is okay for EVERYONE to live and work and love and just exist next to people whatever their beliefs on ethics are. But I was the only voice left saying it, and I give up. LET US BE. LET US LIVE. I was here, I fought while I could for freedom. I cannot reason with this brick wall of a society any more. They have made up their minds those who don't have the same system of ethics don't belong. I wash my hands of this society, this forum, this world.
 
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FallingGrace

Secretary of something
Mar 11, 2020
165
Just wanted to say before this account is deleted I apologize op for the personal attack. I am going to disable my account now so will not be replying to anyone in this thread any more. As for my ideas themselves, I do not know if I believe that stuff wholeheartedly but I am leaning towards such beliefs. I have just heard the same things over and over I feel like I have been brainwashed. I wish I had quit this place long ago. I have become somebody I do not recognise. To those who were like me as I was before, I wish you peace. I see you. You exist despite what you will be told by the world and this site. I don't know what should be done with us. You will hear talk of jails and bringing back asylums, or "just go and live in the bush and never talk to anyone ever again, it's so easy" Fuck that. I was a fool to expect to be seen, heard or to ever be allowed to have a voice. I wish we could let people be in society, believe that it is okay for EVERYONE to live and work and love and just exist next to people whatever their beliefs on ethics are. But I was the only voice left saying it, and I give up. LET US BE. LET US LIVE. I was here, I fought while I could for freedom. I cannot reason with this brick wall of a society any more. They have made up their minds those who don't have the same system of ethics don't belong. I wash my hands of this society, this forum, this world.
This forum can in itself become an eerie, almost cult-like echo chamber at times. I'm sorry you feel you need to leave, but I understand it.
 
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Just wanted to say before this account is deleted I apologize op for the personal attack. I am going to disable my account now so will not be replying to anyone in this thread any more. As for my ideas themselves, I do not know if I believe that stuff wholeheartedly but I am leaning towards such beliefs. I have just heard the same things over and over I feel like I have been brainwashed. I wish I had quit this place long ago. I have become somebody I do not recognise. To those who were like me as I was before, I wish you peace. I see you. You exist despite what you will be told by the world and this site. I don't know what should be done with us. Fuck that. I was a fool to expect to be seen, heard or to ever be allowed to have a voice. I wish we could let people be in society, believe that it is okay for EVERYONE to live and work and love and just exist next to people whatever their beliefs on ethics are. But I was the only voice left saying it, and I give up. LET US BE. LET US LIVE. I was here, I fought while I could for freedom. I cannot reason with this brick wall of a society any more. They have made up their minds those who don't have the same system of ethics don't belong. I wash my hands of this society, this forum, this world.

What on earth are you talking about? This pro-choice forum turned you into someone you don't recognize/brainwashed you into becoming a person spewing anti-choice crap? Many rabid anti-choice members attacked you for being pro-choice & kept saying you should be put in a jail/asylum/locked facility or go live in the bush/wilderness because you can't recover, so you went nuts & started agreeing with your despicable bullies while bravely fighting them at the same time? :notsure:
Multiple times on this forum, I said I couldn't and didn't want to recover and abide by society's standards of morality I have read these things said to other posters virtually every day I come on here as well

You deleted the toxic comments you made in this thread like a coward yesterday & now you're playing some kind of freedom fighter & martyr? Don't you realize that people can still read fragments of your anti-choice rants because I quoted them? You made only 70 posts since you joined SS in October of 2019 & your reaction score is only 161, yet you're claiming you were the only person left heroically fighting for freedom. Where? What the fuckity-fuck are you talking about & who do you think you're fooling?

holy shit how did I spell 'should' as 'show'.

Holy shit, how did you fall for TimeLawyer's BS & forget to answer my simple questions? Do you agree with them that "if burn survivors and the homeless are still here (alive), we should be here too (stay alive no matter how much pain we're in)"? Do you think that suicidal people who can't recover should be in a locked facility or in the wilderness, forced to stay alive against their will?
 
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myopybyproxy

flickerbeat \\ gibberish-noise
Dec 18, 2021
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first several paragraphs may or may not have been ghostwritten by me
 
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Mar 26, 2022
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Uh, yeah, I stand by that comment. Hope is a bitch. Hope leaves when she wants to, not when you want her to. She's tenacious. She's persistent. She's strong.
You just called ホープ・エストハイム a bitch.
JK
Yeah, I know it is.
 
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locked*n*loaded

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Apr 15, 2022
8,447
Hope Estheim.
Well, I'm not sure who that Hope is, but the hope I'm talking about, and I know you know this, is the bitch Hope that keeps you hanging around with the belief that something better is just around the corner, even though you know better.
 
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Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
11,559
(Warning: Very long rants and kind of pointless lol)

I think I have some kind of personality disorder. I've felt it for as long as I can remember. I feel like I am the person in this quote: "You can't save someone who doesn't want saving"

I don't want saving I just want it to be over. I've been very privileged and given up or simply didn't take the opportunities I was given. Wasted hours and years just doing nothing. I can never get that time back. I can never get those opportunities back. I can never take back the countless times I've embarrassed myself and been looked down on by others. Lost their respect when I couldn't keep the facade up.

Also, this anger I experience is just unbearable. I've never been in a real relationship (possibly for the best) because I know I would eventually abuse the person I was with. The only difference now is I acknowledge and agree I have these issues, but I refuse to do the work necessary. Idk everything about me just feels off and wrong.

I know if I don't end it soon, I will just continue to stagnate and do nothing. I REFUSE TO ENTER MY 20'S LIKE THIS. Either I do the work (Which I won't) even just thinking about doing it makes my blood boil. Or I end it. I've listened to many arguments against suicide and none of them really work. (ignoring the religious ones though..)


1. Suicide is the coward's way out and only losers choose this option

Me:
Don't think most people who die by suicide are, but in my case yeah, I agree with you. I am a total coward and loser. My ego is already completely destroyed, and this only allows me to pity myself even more. What a pathetic existence I am! Only thing left to do is end it! :)

2. Your parent(s), relatives, and friends will be left destroyed

Me:
I honestly don't care. I like your attempt at guilt tripping me though lol. Also, I don't have any friends I pushed away the very few I had quite a whiles ago. This is my choice. If I didn't have any say in being born in this crazy world then I should AT THE VERY LEAST have the last say of when I want to go.

3. It gets better

Me:
Maybe, but I myself don't see it getting better. The only times was when I was manic and I know I was never in a clear state of mind when having those thoughts. Also fuck people who say this, ya'll are the same peoples that repeat your "pull yourself by the bootstraps" mantra. Ah, what is that thing you always tell us?
"YOU THINK LIFE IS HARD? DEAL WITH IT, BE A MAN! LIFE ISN'T ABOUT LIVING ITS ABOUT SURVIVING!"
Funny you say this, but when the person is suicidal you say the exact opposite... "LIFE IS HARD, BUT IT GETS BETTER" You are just manipulating me to continue living when you yourself is miserable half the time, playing mental gymnastics to keep living.


Conclusion:

I'm weak, pathetic, and useless. No skills whatsoever, my mere existence is an embarrassment. Never achieved anything in my life. Got awful grades I don't even understand how I passed my classes. I don't know what else to say, everything about me is just wrong... I just can't get myself to help myself.

Simply, I'd rather be known as the guy that recently died and quickly forgotten about than be a man child, used as an example for other kids of what not to do and be.

Also, the more I think about it, life in general is just shitty. I'm sorry to put it bluntly, but if you miss your milestones its EXTREMELY difficult to catch up. And observing just how much mental and physical stress people go through is pretty terrifying. It's terrifying knowing just how far a human being can suffer.

I kind of think of life like how humans build trust with each other. It's very difficult to gain someone's trust, but very easy to break it. Like that its tough to build a decent life for yourself yet its so easy to destroy it all, sometimes it breaks through no fault of your own. It doesn't seem worth it at all.


I will acknowledge maybe a small part of me wants to live, I do question this part of myself though. Who knows maybe when I do attempt suicide I will survive and have this ~life altering experience~ and forever be motivated to be the best person I can be :)))) however that seems like la la la land and I doubt It. But I will admit I have no idea what the future holds for me. Maybe I will succeed and that will be that or I won't. I really don't know.
Honestly, I think realising who you have the potential to be at times- angry and possibly violent and not wanting to inflict this onto someone else is very mature and even selfless. I don't think many people would want to admit it to themselves, let alone other people.

I think it's SO difficult to change ourselves too when we are in a depressive state. Even if we can see what might help, it's all such a fight and struggle. I just don't think that a person with a 'normal' outlook can really comprehend how stuck and totally unmotivated a suicidal person feels. I think most people on here are just so tired of trying. We just want peace.
 
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przeciwwymiotne

Be rude to me at all times, I don't deserve kindne
Jun 27, 2022
360
(Warning: Very long rants and kind of pointless lol)

I think I have some kind of personality disorder. I've felt it for as long as I can remember. I feel like I am the person in this quote: "You can't save someone who doesn't want saving"

I don't want saving I just want it to be over. I've been very privileged and given up or simply didn't take the opportunities I was given. Wasted hours and years just doing nothing. I can never get that time back. I can never get those opportunities back. I can never take back the countless times I've embarrassed myself and been looked down on by others. Lost their respect when I couldn't keep the facade up.

Also, this anger I experience is just unbearable. I've never been in a real relationship (possibly for the best) because I know I would eventually abuse the person I was with. The only difference now is I acknowledge and agree I have these issues, but I refuse to do the work necessary. Idk everything about me just feels off and wrong.

I know if I don't end it soon, I will just continue to stagnate and do nothing. I REFUSE TO ENTER MY 20'S LIKE THIS. Either I do the work (Which I won't) even just thinking about doing it makes my blood boil. Or I end it. I've listened to many arguments against suicide and none of them really work. (ignoring the religious ones though..)


1. Suicide is the coward's way out and only losers choose this option

Me:
Don't think most people who die by suicide are, but in my case yeah, I agree with you. I am a total coward and loser. My ego is already completely destroyed, and this only allows me to pity myself even more. What a pathetic existence I am! Only thing left to do is end it! :)

2. Your parent(s), relatives, and friends will be left destroyed

Me:
I honestly don't care. I like your attempt at guilt tripping me though lol. Also, I don't have any friends I pushed away the very few I had quite a whiles ago. This is my choice. If I didn't have any say in being born in this crazy world then I should AT THE VERY LEAST have the last say of when I want to go.

3. It gets better

Me:
Maybe, but I myself don't see it getting better. The only times was when I was manic and I know I was never in a clear state of mind when having those thoughts. Also fuck people who say this, ya'll are the same peoples that repeat your "pull yourself by the bootstraps" mantra. Ah, what is that thing you always tell us?
"YOU THINK LIFE IS HARD? DEAL WITH IT, BE A MAN! LIFE ISN'T ABOUT LIVING ITS ABOUT SURVIVING!"
Funny you say this, but when the person is suicidal you say the exact opposite... "LIFE IS HARD, BUT IT GETS BETTER" You are just manipulating me to continue living when you yourself is miserable half the time, playing mental gymnastics to keep living.


Conclusion:

I'm weak, pathetic, and useless. No skills whatsoever, my mere existence is an embarrassment. Never achieved anything in my life. Got awful grades I don't even understand how I passed my classes. I don't know what else to say, everything about me is just wrong... I just can't get myself to help myself.

Simply, I'd rather be known as the guy that recently died and quickly forgotten about than be a man child, used as an example for other kids of what not to do and be.

Also, the more I think about it, life in general is just shitty. I'm sorry to put it bluntly, but if you miss your milestones its EXTREMELY difficult to catch up. And observing just how much mental and physical stress people go through is pretty terrifying. It's terrifying knowing just how far a human being can suffer.

I kind of think of life like how humans build trust with each other. It's very difficult to gain someone's trust, but very easy to break it. Like that its tough to build a decent life for yourself yet its so easy to destroy it all, sometimes it breaks through no fault of your own. It doesn't seem worth it at all.


I will acknowledge maybe a small part of me wants to live, I do question this part of myself though. Who knows maybe when I do attempt suicide I will survive and have this ~life altering experience~ and forever be motivated to be the best person I can be :)))) however that seems like la la la land and I doubt It. But I will admit I have no idea what the future holds for me. Maybe I will succeed and that will be that or I won't. I really don't know.
This could have been written by me.

Self insert: [I had attempted in bettering myself, managing the NPD. And I succeeded! But then I started to believe that NPD and depression were just my excuses and weren't 'real'. Stopped using healthy coping mechanisms on top of that I starved myself, which slowly made me come back to my worst self. Now I feel so powerless, I know I won't change, It would be 100× more difficult this time and it was already hard before, I'll only get worse.]

"1. Suicide is the coward's way out and only losers choose this option

Me:
Don't think most people who die by suicide are, but in my case yeah, I agree with you. I am a total coward and loser. My ego is already completely destroyed, and this only allows me to pity myself even more. What a pathetic existence I am! Only thing left to do is end it! :)"

Exactly! We're fricking cowards


"Simply, I'd rather be known as the guy that recently died and quickly forgotten about than be a man child, used as an example for other kids of what not to do and be."

Yup, that's exactly why I'm here
 
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8evergo

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Oct 20, 2021
557
##Me: Don't think most people who die by suicide, but in my case yeah, I agree with you. I am a total coward and loser. My ego is already completely destroyed, and this only allows me to pity myself even more. What a pathetic existence I am! Only thing left to do is end it! :)"''
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no, suicide is sometimes only the right way i am and never was a loser and never was quite the opposite, whoever claims something like that is more like the loser a claim without foot and head
 
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