I am hated for this viewpoint

[Tintypographer]

People get so angry at me for my thoughts but I can't help thinking them. I ask family and friends,"why is suicide Taboo or hated when we have such a short inconsequential existence to begin with"

I know that on Galaxy and planet timescales out lives don't matter. It is not simply something I believe, it's true. Each human life is a blip with no consequence in the universe from a time perspective and for impact. Even our biggest greatest things are so tiny they can barely be measured compared to stars or galaxies.

I truly don't mind if someone spends their whole life building a pyramid the size of 10 mount everests and they do enormous works of mercy impacting millions. I'm glad for that person. What I don't understand is why my view and belief is wrong. I don't think I matter. .I don't believe even compared to something like writing a song or saving a life that my work for today "helping contractors get login credentials" really matters. It's just work for the purpose of having someone do the work.

I guess I don't understand the anger around this topic.

 

[Pluto]

The anger might be caused by cognitive dissonance. They may find your arguments intellectually watertight but also antithetical to the pro-motivational attitude towards life that they have cultivated as a survival strategy. Making you wrong would be a defense mechanism.

That said, I think I'd feel differently about life if I were able to do something meaningful that made the world a better place, even though it is a small planet and can't matter all that much in any universal sense. But if a life had any reasonable degree of quality or satisfaction, questions like these would not tend to be voiced in the first place.

 

[makethepainstop]

Suicide is often a difficult subject to speak about. I always thought that most people didn't like discussing suicide topics, because it reminds them of someone they knew, ctb. Also it could be that the subject of suicide reminds the listener of his or her own suicidal feelings or past attempts. May the universe smile warmly upon you.

 

[FuneralCry]

Maybe people don't want to accept how meaningless their lives are as it would shatter their delusional worldview that life is valuable. Also, maybe being insignificant and ceasing to exist is what they fear so they would rather silence discussions about it.

It's best to not talk about those kind of topics with people who would rather deny reality. It's true that suicide could never be wrong as it solves all problems in which there was never a need for in the first place. Life is completely meaningless and unnecessary, we only exist just to die and be forgotten about. All that life is, is just one big distraction from death.

 

[Ligottian]

I hope this is not too OT. Ever notice how people who say that suicide is selfish, cowardly, and/or a one way ticket to hell quickly change their tune if a loved one does it?

 

[rationaltake]

That said, I think I'd feel differently about life if I were able to do something meaningful that made the world a better place, even though it is a small planet and can't matter all that much in any universal sense. But if a life had any reasonable degree of quality or satisfaction, questions like these would not tend to be voiced in the first place.

I agree. If someone is busy doing something they enjoy they are less likely to question things. I think of it as doing rather than observing. I know someone who finds meaning in life helping out at a repair garage.

 

[Tintypographer]

Two things that I think bump into me philosophically:

1) I think about how meaningless anything is which is not really a good way to be because it runs counter to survival instincts. (Just my opinion)

2) I think about how many existences are filled with the day to day drudgery of meaningless work. To the point that the CEO of whole foods recently said that "meaningful work should be earned". https://www.unleash.ai/future-of-work/john-mackey-young-people-dont-seem-to-want-to-work/

I spent a lot of time in college which was a privilege, I have had several high profile roles and have always been employed which is also a privilege. But I've found that none of my time in 25 plus years of employment has been for the benefit of society in terms of feeding the hungry or sheltering the homeless or saving people and animals from forest fires. Zero. 99 percent of my time has been actuarial number crunching associated with limiting liability, preventing risk, preventing employees from having a case against their employer and ensuring that compliance occurs. And these jobs where nothing is produced and nothing can be missed yet the only value they provide is preventing litigation are EVERYWHERE! I can't say "today I helped people" because in reality "today I counted the tens of thousands of people who certified that they read and understood our 45 page document on workplace sexual harassment and agree that if they are harassed they will not sue and if they harass anyone they are doing it against company policies. I do this day in and day out for many companies across many issues and it's true that some "shareholder value" is protected, the actual benefit to society is nil or even negative. And if I were dead someone else would simply be forced to do this.


I actually have a theory that corporations are macro viruses with no thoughts and they ensure survival and procreation the same way that any other virus does by corrupting organelles (in the macro world humans) to spam copies of themselves and protect the mother ship. We don't know we are doing it because it's all part of the programming.

 

[theboy]

I'm sure that's what happens to most of us here. They don't understand us