Venting How many men here are actual losers, "scrubs", low-value males, etc? Don't you get tired of seeing others succeed where you fail all the time?

[ChildrensITV]

Well…As long as I dont go outside or interact with anyone then I never have to think about how inferior I am!

But generally I don't care, I know I've always been a loser. That's just how it is. It's a waste of effort to try and compete with others, it's a game you're never gonna win. Someone will always be better than you. I just live in a cycle of ignorant bliss until something happens to make me remember my state of inferiority and makes me suicidal, then i go back to ignorance

If you can stay isolated in a bubble, keep doing that. I am in a situation where I am made aware of just how behind I am. What I wanted out of life wasn't even anything spectacular. Just to be a normal person.

You can get pretty far if you're good looking, even if you're dirt poor. But being a sub5, wage slaving, heh, gl boyo.

Clown world.

Based and blackpilled.

Isnt everyone's perception of a loser and a successful person different?

Sigh. Why are people so disingenious and bluepilled.

There is some grey area, but let's not pretend that seeing a homeless balding drunkard living on the streets is subjective: he is a loser at life. I am not BLAMING him btw. It's just true. He is not winning at life.

I think if you're socially inept, jobless and living in your parents home off your parents, you cannot really be considered successful. It would objectively be the opposite.

Thanks.

I don't know why people pretend that everything is subjective. No.

If you're a 5'4 man, YOU'RE SHORT.

if you're a man on welfare, with no intelligence, depressed, anxious, living on the streets or with your parents, YOU'RE A LOSER.

If you have significant disabilities in terms of motor-impairment or limbloss, or you're ugly, or you have mental health issues, YOUR LIFE WILL BE HARDER.

Don't let anyone tell you any different.

 

[RoundaboutResolved]

Cis male here & I do not understand this incel subgroup. Bunch of whiners who blame & hate on woman, like it's all the womans fault for the incels bad life. One giant diagusting, pathetic, pity party. Give me a break! Reading these self loathing trash posts really gets my blood boiling!

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Cis male here & I do not understand this incel subgroup. Bunch of whiners who blame & hate on woman, like it's all the womans fault for the incels bad life. One giant diagusting, pathetic, pity party. Give me a break! Reading these self loathing trash posts really gets my blood boiling!

Who's blaming women here? Pretty sure most of us just blame our own situation and/or ourselves. Of course women can and should have standards, that go beyond us. That doesn't make them at fault.

 

[Twiceler]

Deal with women and learn how to be a good person (bluepill) and beware of other men.
Deal with men and learn how to be the best (redpill), but don't let anyone get you down.
Blackpill smells deady.

And I'm not with incels. They think that it's not ok when it is. So they normally are seen and treated as perverts, creeps and cruel creatures.
This is how I see.. things.

 

[unnormal9]

Cis male here & I do not understand this incel subgroup. Bunch of whiners who blame & hate on woman, like it's all the womans fault for the incels bad life. One giant diagusting, pathetic, pity party. Give me a break! Reading these self loathing trash posts really gets my blood boiling!

This is no point becoming so irate over a forum post you have no control over.
Let them vent their frustration is all you can do, move on and leave them be.

 

[ChildrensITV]

With respect, this is a thread for "males" to discuss their issues and how they feel, not for people of the opposite sex to cast judgment here. Sure, you may not select your partner based on financial income, but that doesn't mean other women don't. A lot of women prefer stability, and that isn't being financially dependent on them. I tried to develop my own set of values and even had a great personality once upon a time, but that didn't really help me. You may be the exception to the rule, but you are not the rule to how women think.

Thanks for this, CDIA.

Cis male here & I do not understand this incel subgroup. Bunch of whiners who blame & hate on woman, like it's all the womans fault for the incels bad life. One giant diagusting, pathetic, pity party. Give me a break! Reading these self loathing trash posts really gets my blood boiling!

Men can't talk about our problems or we are seen as hating women. If you don't believe me, see your own post.

 

[Twiceler]

Deal with women and learn how to be a good person (bluepill) and beware of other men.
Deal with men and learn how to be the best (redpill), but don't let anyone get you down.
Blackpill smells deady.

And I'm not with incels. They think that it's not ok when it is. So they normally are seen and treated as perverts, creeps and cruel creatures.
This is how I see.. things.

And I don't look at successful men usually. I feel a bit danger and fear. Not many of them are, I should add. I get only tired thinking of my life, not others.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Thanks for this, CDIA.


Men can't talk about our problems or we are seen as hating women. If you don't believe me, see your own post.

They must be a normie, they wouldn't understand =S

 

[ChildrensITV]

They must be a normie, they wouldn't understand =S

Normiedom is the norm, after all.

 

[Ambivalent1]

I don't appear low value so that's good enough for me.

 

[ChildrensITV]

I don't appear low value so that's good enough for me.

Self-worth to you and high/low value to others are two different things. If a homeless man thinks he is high value, then good on him, I am happy for him, but he is likely NOT.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Self-worth to you and high/low value to others are two different things. If a homeless man thinks he is high value, then good on him, I am happy for him, but he is likely NOT.

You don't understand. I look high value. The only way a person would know I wasn't is if I tell them the things about me that make me low value.

 

[tomene]

Cis male here & I do not understand this incel subgroup. Bunch of whiners who blame & hate on woman, like it's all the womans fault for the incels bad life. One giant diagusting, pathetic, pity party. Give me a break! Reading these self loathing trash posts really gets my blood boiling!

Be tolerant or keep walking please

 

[tomene]

"Valid" reasons for not dating a man include:

- he doesn't earn enough
- his job/he is low-value/-status
- he lives with his mum and dad
- he doesn't drive
- he isn't physically attractive/tall

I don't think you're right : I know a lot of girls who don't agree with that & who proved it regarding the guy they live with.
I believe I'm "successful" according to your values but I'm still here you know...

 

[endless_pain]

Yeah you can have all the material in the world and change place whenever you want, but if you don't love yourself, nothing will change

 

[WorthlessTrash]

You can value yourself however high you want, but if other people dont value you that high, youre not going anywhere.

Just like you can put something on eBay for a super high price, but if the person seeing it does not value it that high, it is not getting sold.

 

[LittleJem]

I'm not a man but these are absolutely the kinds of things people judge us by…and also the ways in which we either function or don't function as adults…I'm sure there are many of us here who don't tick these boxes. All of them are also fair criteria for choosing a mate/partner.

The word 'incel' can be used as a cuss word or to shame people for their suffering, but I know several men who are celibate and didn't want to be. Two of them with MH issues, one of whom is just not attractive to women for various reasons, despite how much he tries to find a partner for many years. One of them lives with his mum. This is how the world works.

For those of us disbled or who don't fix these boxes, it might not mean we are always alone but it does make it harder to date as well as be friends with more functional people. Eg I have recently only dated crackheads and fellow people with mh issues. All of whom ditched me.

On that list, living with parents would be my biggest thing that would put me off. I have also had to live with my family due to mh/unemployment. Last time I tried to date I was homeless which did put people off, understandably…

Is there any way to live a bearable life with so many hurdles and losses... I wish I was well enough for a dog.

 

[SexyIncél]

I found two useful things recently. Sorry if this is offtopic. Maybe I should make a new thread, dunno

A psychologist explains how therapists suck at male depression. Excerpted from the full interview. Unusually insightful, at least the part I've heard so far

Also, incels.wiki has an interesting article on the guy who coined "feminism". He had a strong concern for the sexually rejected. Wikipedia says

In Fourier's system of Harmony all creative activity including industry, craft, agriculture, etc. will arise from liberated passion—this is the famous theory of "attractive labor." Fourier sexualizes work itself—the life of the Phalanstery is a continual orgy of intense feeling, intellection, & activity, a society of lovers & wild enthusiasts.

If anyone criticizes these links, let me point out:

• Yeah, that psychologist maybe uses gender essentialism. But let's charitably interpret his words. Adapt them however we please, discard the rest
• So what if I study incel lit? Charles Fourier's a utopian socialist and feminist. I'll even read what Hitler and Brenton Tarrant wrote if I so please, thankyouverymuch. Ditto for bell hooks and Noam Chomsky

 

[Unattainable666]

As men, we're men to "man up", be assertive, dominant and successful. We are the sex that is supposed to "rescue" a woman and be the stable rock in her life. We are supposed to have our "shit together". Men who don't meet this yardstick are called losers. Men who don't have a career by a certain age are called "losers". "Valid" reasons for not dating a man include:

- he doesn't earn enough
- his job/he is low-value/-status
- he lives with his mum and dad
- he doesn't drive
- he isn't physically attractive/tall

The standard that we are held to - by everyone (by men (friends, coworkers) and women) - is tough if you can't even make it onto the first step. And cuz men are so competitive, you get a clear sense of when you are failing.

Are any other men out there actual scrubs, losers or low-value men (as determined by FemaleDatingStrategy) or by society in general? Do you have friends who boast about their career-ladder progression, their moving into a (new, bigger) home, their getting into a new relationship and how their lover adores their virility and success? It's part of why I want to CTB - because everything I've tried in life has resulted in failure. I am literally the loser that TV shows used to talk about when I was growing up.

Were you successful at one time and then lost it or were you always a loser?

I feel like my whole life has been watching other men (or people in general) move on through different life-stages, while I stay stagnant and trying in vein. I can't even bring myself to use Facebook anymore cuz it's full of people who have full lives, meanwhile my life is like a teenager's, in terms of achievement. In fact, probably behind them too. No matter what I try, I fail. It seems like there is only one way out of failing as a man, having poor mental health and being a fucking loser.

NOTE:

1. I don't want this to be a discussion about which sex has it worse. Women have their own struggles that are offtopic here. I just want to talk to men whose life is going nowhere and who are losers.
2. I don't want to get strawmanned into "a relationship isn't the be all end all". I am not talking about just relationships. I am talking about how men are measured in terms of success, and how men feel any sense of accomplishment.
3. I don't want anyone coming in here saying: "Men cannot discuss their problems! This makes me feel as if you are blaming others!". This is not to blame others. This isn't about you right now. This is about men not being able to achieve goals because of lack of intelligence, because of depression and anxiety, because of constant knockbacks, rejections and poor mental health.

To any men replying, please just focus on the on-topic posts and ignore anything off-topic

I know one for sure is. ....

 

[leavingsoon99]

I guess I fall into this definition. I don't make much. I'm 5'10". I've never been counted amongst the "high-value" portion of the male population. I've been rejected a lot by females. The few I've been with ended up leaving me because... you know... "a girl's gotta do what she has to to make it". That's the insidious part of existence, you know. In my mind, anyway. The competitive part. What are we competing for? Fleeting affection from a female? I really hate my sexual attraction to women so much. I don't wish to be homosexual, but I really hate being attracted to people who don't see me the same way.

This is some of what makes self-termination a no-brainer.

 

[scamper]

I would definitely consider myself a loser. Though I think the real meaning of a loser is much more subjective, I do meet most of the negative qualities you listed. I don't have a problem with seeing people around me succeed when I can't, though. It's my fault, after all. It also helps that I don't care about my legacy or what I leave behind for the world. It doesn't matter to me if I live and die a loser, as long as I can stop living.

 

[ManchildLoser]

Cis male here & I do not understand this incel subgroup. Bunch of whiners who blame & hate on woman, like it's all the womans fault for the incels bad life. One giant diagusting, pathetic, pity party. Give me a break! Reading these self loathing trash posts really gets my blood boiling!

Comments like this are the reason men dont talk about their problems.

 

[ChildrensITV]

I know one for sure is. ....

Yes, I am a loser (at life in general) which is why I want to die. You're not saying anything I don't already feel. Thanks for the support though. It really makes men feel we can talk about our issues.

 

[Georg]

I was raised by a poor single mother but I still managed to get a master degree in economics. Today I am working at a accounting department and I make a decent amount of money.
But this is all useless if you don't have a wife/gf who loves you and you can share your life with. Money won't do shit nowadays unless you have millions of dollars or you have a high status job like being a doctor. Looks and height are the most important things for a man.

To Answer your question: Yes I am a loser but it's not my fault. No love no life!

 

[Unattainable666]

I know a man (he's really not a man, but for the sake of this reply, I'll call him that) who had a wife who left him (reason(s) unknown), lost his company, his son wants nothing to do with him (raised by his mother turned out to be a decent human being), has no vehicle. This "man" now sits at home (he is quite capable of working), plays games on the computer all day, comes onto this site to "find women" who are easy prey who he can manipulate (he does not have depression nor is he suicidal) he is a narcissist and this is how he feeds his habit. He drinks every day until he cant remember where he is or what his name is and takes whatever drugs he can obtain through his physicians (quite the bullshitter). Knowing him for the short time my friend did (yes I went through this crap with her) he is a piece of shit and worthless to the universe. Is this unkind - no just honest. The things he put my friend through were unbelievable. It pushed her over the edge. Not all men are like this, but it shocked me that he was actually on this site - a site where people come to interact with others who are suffering in the same way. Just my opinion ...

 

[blacksand]

Yes absolutely. I lack the looks, personality and status to be sexually attractive.

The few I've been with ended up leaving me because... you know... "a girl's gotta do what she has to to make it".

women feel little pain at doing this, and it would be an evolutionary misstep if they did. Breakups are never as painful for them and that's one reason why 99% of love songs especially breakup songs are written by men. I last had a girlfriend when I was 17- that 10 years ago. I still look at her socials about twice a month, I doubt she wastes a thought on me more than once a year.

 

[Dot]

The things he put my friend through were unbelievable. It pushed her over the edge. Not all men are like this, but it shocked me that he was actually on this site - a site where people come to interact with others who are suffering in the same way. Just my opinion ...

Am assumng & hopng b/ past-tnse tht ths persn = nt on th/ ste n.e.mre

 

[Unattainable666]

Am assumng & hopng b/ past-tnse tht ths persn = nt on th/ ste n.e.mre

Not sure if he is still on or not. Happened to my friend Starry Starry.

 

[Disappointered]

Yes absolutely. I lack the looks, personality and status to be sexually attractive.

women feel little pain at doing this, and it would be an evolutionary misstep if they did. Breakups are never as painful for them and that's one reason why 99% of love songs especially breakup songs are written by men. I last had a girlfriend when I was 17- that 10 years ago. I still look at her socials about twice a month, I doubt she wastes a thought on me more than once a year.

So true. In fact, there have been studies demonstrating that divorced men end up brutally damaged emotionally for long periods of time - decades or sometimes the rest of their lives - while most women just move on emotionally intact as though they were just taking out the garbage. It is very eye-opening.

 

[blacksand]

So true. In fact, there have been studies demonstrating that divorced men end up brutally damaged emotionally for long periods of time - decades or sometimes the rest of their lives - while most women just move on emotionally intact as though they were just taking out the garbage. It is very eye-opening.

I'm reminded of the old manosphere quote "men love women, women love children".

Men are just an easily replaceable thing like a car or a handbag for women.