How do people feel about NDEs? Has learning about them changed your thoughts about CTB-ing?

[hughmun9]

I've been getting ready to CTB for the past 2 months. I isolated myself, stopped doing any form of self-care, showering every 3 weeks, 1 delivery meal a day, not going out, just rotting away in bed 16hrs/day. I thought that if I give up on every aspect of life I'll get miserable enough to push me over the edge. I tried FSH in a forest 3 months ago and failed to fully commit. 8 years ago I jumped in front of a train and survived. Now I am putting together an exit bag. I've got most of what I need, still waiting on a regulator and a second nitrogen tank. I also ordered SN from this dodgy site, who knows if that'll ever arrive.

But after watching these NDE videos I'm starting to have second thoughts about my decision to CTB. My thinking is simple. I'm not enjoying life. I don't believe I have the tools to change my circumstances. What's the point of life if you only ever foresee misery? But in some of these NDE stories it's implied that earth is a school of some sort. And that the afterlife is filled with love and peace and bliss, whereas earth is meant to be a 'challenge'.

There was this lady that had an NDE when she was 35, she was a drug addict, both her parents committed suicide together when she was 22. I've seen pictures of her during her addiction days and she looked absolutely miserable. But in her NDE experience she described remembering having 'chosen' those circumstances. And that she was part of 'the transformation of consciousness'. She painfully turned her life around after this NDE and genuinely looks so radiant and full of life now. After 35 years of suffering.

For some reason the idea that there is an afterlife that is all rosy and peaceful where love is abundant and that I have 'chosen' to come to this shitfest to challenge myself or to improve it somehow resonates with me. Although I don't really understand the point of improving earth to begin with since if our existence isn't tied to earth and we can choose not to come here in the first place, how is anyone invested in the state of the earth? Why does the 'level of consciousness' of earth matter?

Regardless, learning about this is making me have second thoughts. Because I'm not enjoying my experience so far but maybe I'm not supposed to? I don't see myself being able to change my circumstances, or if I do, it's going to be a significant challenge with no guarantee of success and a lot of potential misery coming up, but maybe that's what it's meant to be like and I'm meant to just push through? I don't know anymore.

 

[pillfriends]

i believe i clinically died for a minute in summer 2024


i was smoking weed with a friend, calm vibes. for some reason, i got up, i assume i wanted to watch the sun going down? whatever. i got up, and lost balance. my friend grabbed me from the back, and i slowly fell to the ground. if it wasn't for him, i'd die. there was a big sharp rock which i would've landed on with the back of my head, lucky me i guess...


anyways, when i was on the ground, i couldn't move or talk. everything went blank. all i could see is darkness. i could hear him talking to me and panicking but i couldn't respond. suddenly, a white light hit me and i gained consciousness and was very confused.


it wasn't scary, it felt very calm. it's something i tell my friends time to time and they never believe me. i guess it could count as an NDE. i didn't change my ways or become religious as some people do after experiencing that sort of thing, but i'm still scared to CTB because the thought of life after death is scary.

 

[curiousbeing]

There was this lady that had an NDE when she was 35, she was a drug addict, both her parents committed suicide together when she was 22. I've seen pictures of her during her addiction days and she looked absolutely miserable. But in her NDE experience she described remembering having 'chosen' those circumstances. And that she was part of 'the transformation of consciousness'. She painfully turned her life around after this NDE and genuinely looks so radiant and full of life now. After 35 years of suffering.

This is so deep....

 

[never mind me]

I think all this stuff about an afterlife and our real life just being a test is a huge lie. What's the point of hoping for an afterlife that may very well just be an invention of some religious people? And even if there is an afterlife, you don't know, if it will be better than this life or if it will be determined by the decisions you take in this life or if you remember this life at all. And people having spiritual NDE can easily be explained by brain chemistry, namely the release of DMT. And I don't think anybody else should decide, if you are supposed to enjoy life or not. It is absolutely natural for a human being to wish for an enjoyable life and just as natural to consider ctb, if life is only painful for an extended time.

 

[miyabi]

I think all this stuff about an afterlife and our real life just being a test is a huge lie. What's the point of hoping for an afterlife that may very well just be an invention of some religious people? And even if there is an afterlife, you don't know, if it will be better than this life or if it will be determined by the decisions you take in this life or if you remember this life at all. And people having spiritual NDE can easily be explained by brain chemistry, namely the release of DMT. And I don't think anybody else should decide, if you are supposed to enjoy life or not. It is absolutely natural for a human being to wish for an enjoyable life and just as natural to consider ctb, if life is only painful for an extended time.

I agree with this.

For what it's worth, I came close to death and never experienced a NDE. I'm also not religious. My own opinion is that if you believe in an afterlife you're more likely to experience visions of that if you're close to death. In a similar vein I've never had 'traditional' common supernatural nightmares, only realistic ones about humans because I don't believe in the supernatural/paranormal.

 

[hughmun9]

I think all this stuff about an afterlife and our real life just being a test is a huge lie. What's the point of hoping for an afterlife that may very well just be an invention of some religious people? And even if there is an afterlife, you don't know, if it will be better than this life or if it will be determined by the decisions you take in this life or if you remember this life at all. And people having spiritual NDE can easily be explained by brain chemistry, namely the release of DMT. And I don't think anybody else should decide, if you are supposed to enjoy life or not. It is absolutely natural for a human being to wish for an enjoyable life and just as natural to consider ctb, if life is only painful for an extended time.

Could be. I've listened to a couple dozen NDE's and the people sharing these stories come from all walks of life, including complete atheists. It could be explained by brain chemistry, that's what I've always thought too. The thing I can't explain is why do these stories have so much in common with one another. Also what's hard to explain is these people knowing details of what happened around their body, while they were still unconscious. In their stories they say they were 'outside their body' and observing at the time. This lady was able to reference things discussed by her doctor in the hallway outside of her room while she was in a coma.

I agree that it's natural for a human being to wish for an enjoyable life and natural to consider ctb-ing if life is only painful for an extended time. When I wrote the post I was still processing and understanding my own beliefs regarding what I saw in these videos. I suppose the overall message these NDErs send is not that we're supposed to suffer endlessly on earth to learn but that many journeys include a lot of suffering in the first half of life. And it can take as long as 35 years to turn the tables on that. So it's less that I'm thinking: I shouldn't CTB because maybe it was my purpose to suffer and more: maybe there is a way out eventually, and it taking this long for some people with circumstances worse than mine puts my suffering into perspective. Although you could reach that conclusion without any stories of any NDE. I wouldn't judge anyone for CTB-ing at any age however. It's everyone's right to leave whenever they want imo.

I agree with this.

For what it's worth, I came close to death and never experienced a NDE. I'm also not religious. My own opinion is that if you believe in an afterlife you're more likely to experience visions of that if you're close to death. In a similar vein I've never had 'traditional' common supernatural nightmares, only realistic ones about humans because I don't believe in the supernatural/paranormal.

I have also come close to death and have not experienced an NDE. After getting hit by the train, my doctor told me I was minutes away from dying according to my blood pressure from blood loss. There are lots of stories however of people that did not believe in an afterlife prior to their NDE.

 

[AgnesTachyon]

"you are here to learn a lesson" is such a disgusting way to romanticize suffering.​

 

[Bitter Almonds]

"you are here to learn a lesson" is such a disgusting way to romanticize suffering.​

I don't think it romanticizes anything, really. If you believe in that cycle, the only thing it does is give some meaning to suffering. It doesn't make it better than what it is.

 

[hughmun9]

"you are here to learn a lesson" is such a disgusting way to romanticize suffering.​

I can see that. I thought most people would be even more disgusted by the idea of having 'chosen' your circumstances. I honestly could see how the entire post could be divisive and triggering.

 

[ZwartHartje]

I can see that. I thought most people would be even more disgusted by the idea of having 'chosen' your circumstances. I honestly could see how the entire post could be divisive and triggering.

Ok but then on the other hand, how else to explain suffering? Personally I'd find it so much worse to think it just happens by random chance and is completely meaningless - to endure decades of suffering for absolutely no reason at all is way more disgusting, in my view.
I've always felt my human body is something I'm trapped in. And the idea that "I am my own prison," and that's all that I am, and that there's nothing outside of that prison, is beyond horrifying, but fortunately it seems as absurd as it is horrifying. A prison can't be all that exists, and it must have an outside to it. And many things I've heard in NDE accounts just felt so true to me, like some forgotten memory.
My murdered loved ones have to be somewhere, waiting for me.

 

[Grav]

I'm not sold on the "living as a school" idea but I am interested in hearing NDE people.

 

[Fadenself00_]

anyways, when i was on the ground, i couldn't move or talk. everything went blank. all i could see is darkness. i could hear him talking to me and panicking but i couldn't respond. suddenly, a white light hit me and i gained consciousness and was very confused.

If you could still hear and see darkness, then it might have been blood pressure being low, like when you stand up too quickly and everything goes black, or was it different from that?

(Alternatively, I have found the exact same thing happening, when pressing to the side of my eyes and holding the pressure - just enough so that it doesn't hurt. That's probably the nerve losing bloodflow or whatever.
Anyway; it's a lot different from losing consciousness via hypoxia - e.g. inhaling helium - where it's like your entire self is slowly flickering out and the last moments a fear response of recognizing said flickering)

 

[itsgone2]

Ok. So I don't want to be disrespectful. I like a lot on the first post and the thread since.
But I have learned. My mistakes are quite obvious. I see how I should have lived my life.
But I'm now in the most anxious and torture filled part of my life. So, why? What's the point?
I want to exit. Why not take me peacefully? Why this torture?
I'm so frustrated. At various points in my life I've had a connection to God. It's as if there's nothing now. I'm so sorry. If there's some redemption in the afterlife why can't I just peacefully transition now?

 

[Canto XIII]

If this helps you make your life better, that's a good thing, I think.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I don't believe in any afterlife or reincarnation or NDEs

there has never been any evidence for any of these

every human will die which means ceasing to exist for all time after Death

1 microsecond after the brain dies = Death a human won't know that they ever lived or that the world or universe ever existed. it's like when we weren't aware there was a world 50,000 years ago.

the sense of self is created only by a brain. a brain is just brain cells connecting. a self model is created by the pattern of electrical connections between brain cells. once the brain dies it can never create conscoiusnes ,, experience or awareness of anything.

what about 65 million years ago when the meteor hit and killed the dinasours . where was i or any human? we didn't exist . we didn't know there was a world or universe. there was no me. there won't be a me ever after Death

i could look up some obscure fact 500 years ago and i bet all these humans who say they are supernatural or had past lives or NDEs , have physic powers couldn't say it because none ever existed then 500 years ago. so where were the 8 billion alive now 500, 100 , 1 billion years ago? every second before 1000 years ago?

i could name any day last year and no human could tell me what they themselves even did and thought of minute by minute of that day much less what i did or what even i believe which i don't even write here but you can probably tell you would think it's something insane to you what i believe .

imo the fact is a human is living only in about 30 seconds . everything else is forgotten as i posted the qestion above about writing every thing they did every minute of a date last year and what they thought of . short term memory lasts at most 30 seconds. and a human can think about only 4 concepts at a time . this is why it's so difficult to memorize even a 7 digit phone number much less a 10 digit phone number . the human brain is very weak. consciousness is only about 120 bits per second which is nothing . for example a human cannot keep track of 2 people talking at the same time 120 bits per second is the rate of speech. and then a human might not pick up or understand everything 1 human is speaking rapidly about in a lecture .

 

[hdead]

I'm pretty convinced, after having watched many NDE videos, that it's a construct happening in the brain while it's still alive. These people never died, so there's no arguing that there's something that happens after.

I would argue that getting so close to death would make people want to live more. It generally seems to happen to people that are already living an arguably good life.

I had this NDE like experience when I was depressed. I'm still not sure if it was psychosis or not, but it left me wanting to leave this existence even more than before that happened.

 

[time2gosoon]

I've been getting ready to CTB for the past 2 months. I isolated myself, stopped doing any form of self-care, showering every 3 weeks, 1 delivery meal a day, not going out, just rotting away in bed 16hrs/day. I thought that if I give up on every aspect of life I'll get miserable enough to push me over the edge. I tried FSH in a forest 3 months ago and failed to fully commit. 8 years ago I jumped in front of a train and survived. Now I am putting together an exit bag. I've got most of what I need, still waiting on a regulator and a second nitrogen tank. I also ordered SN from this dodgy site, who knows if that'll ever arrive.

But after watching these NDE videos I'm starting to have second thoughts about my decision to CTB. My thinking is simple. I'm not enjoying life. I don't believe I have the tools to change my circumstances. What's the point of life if you only ever foresee misery? But in some of these NDE stories it's implied that earth is a school of some sort. And that the afterlife is filled with love and peace and bliss, whereas earth is meant to be a 'challenge'.

There was this lady that had an NDE when she was 35, she was a drug addict, both her parents committed suicide together when she was 22. I've seen pictures of her during her addiction days and she looked absolutely miserable. But in her NDE experience she described remembering having 'chosen' those circumstances. And that she was part of 'the transformation of consciousness'. She painfully turned her life around after this NDE and genuinely looks so radiant and full of life now. After 35 years of suffering.

For some reason the idea that there is an afterlife that is all rosy and peaceful where love is abundant and that I have 'chosen' to come to this shitfest to challenge myself or to improve it somehow resonates with me. Although I don't really understand the point of improving earth to begin with since if our existence isn't tied to earth and we can choose not to come here in the first place, how is anyone invested in the state of the earth? Why does the 'level of consciousness' of earth matter?

Regardless, learning about this is making me have second thoughts. Because I'm not enjoying my experience so far but maybe I'm not supposed to? I don't see myself being able to change my circumstances, or if I do, it's going to be a significant challenge with no guarantee of success and a lot of potential misery coming up, but maybe that's what it's meant to be like and I'm meant to just push through? I don't know anymore.

I don't think heaven and hell are destinations.

If one's life is full of happiness, pleasure, and peace, then one might say "This is Heaven".
If one's life is full of sorrow, pain, and strife, then one might say "This is Hell".

I've had several NDE's.
Every one essentially taught us the same "lesson".
"Death" is an illusion.
There is only life.
We are all immortal energy trapped in a brief human experience.

If you would like to seriously consider having your own NDE adjacent experience, maybe try looking for some DMT.

 

[Forveleth]

There is no such thing as fate or destiny, afterlife, or something "beyond". We exist on this planet to make more copies of ourselves just like every other living creature. The only thing that separates us from the rest of the animals is that we are aware there could be more.

NDEs are the brain's way of trying to make sense of death. The brain is scrambling to comprehend dying and most likely also trying to protect you from the trauma of dying itself. NDEs are nothing more than hallucinations and only have as much meaning as you give them. Are there some people that have changed for the better after having an NDE? Sure, and that is great for them and for you, if that happens. But NDEs are nothing more than a dream created by the brain while dying and not some bigger, cosmic message.