Having children should be considered a sin

[Off_Switch]

...and this video explains why:



The human race should have ended a long time ago, once we evolved to understand that living is constant suffering. But we chose to keep sinning in order to perpetuate it.

 

[swan7o7]

There is inherent working of things, like knots being untangled in this world. That's to say that even without humans the problems they made still exist and must be worked out, major I Have no mouth vibes, and it's a physical explanation for karma. But this is true, and you're gonna get people holding onto their ideals defending it,(people who didn't yet realize why it's wrong to take the good over the overwhelming bad) get ready

 

[Pure Vanilla]

So many people have kids because they feel like they need to or because they think that itll "complete" them or make them happy, it feels like hardly any parents should have the right to create life when its just based on their random whims

 

[Pluto]

 

[Mooncry]

The amount of people who have been brainwashed since childhood to believe having kids is the default way is actually astonishing. The fact that "So when are you having kids?" is just a casual question that gets asked to anyone is a problem.

 

[itsgone2]

Idk. I know a lot of loving families that did everything right and are happy. Worldwide, that's probably not the norm. But still, it's possible.
Feels like we've hit some tipping point though. Things seem bleak. I would not bring someone into this world now. Absolutely not.

 

[EmptyBottle]

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wow, cool way to save money, and reduce risk... having 1-3 cats vs 1-2 children.

Whether the risk is creating human
life that regrets existing, human life that destroys its human creator(s), or whatever other risks... there's less risk with having a cat (or 2, or 3!) than a child or children.

Plus, it's a lot better for the environment and my mental health.

 

[Spite]

Based antinatalism thread. I'm subscribed to Lumen Theory haha. Their videos are pretty good.

In recent years I have found myself feeling increasingly... perturbed, by the concept of childbirth, and just seeing children in general kinda makes me sad and uncomfortable. When I see a child I see someone who was forced here against their will and is just beginning to grow up only to have to go through the whole rigmarole of suffering, wageslavery, ageing, and I dunno man, that's just... that's kinda fucked up if you ask me.

Something crazy I can tell you is that just today my mother informed me that one of her friend's sons (who I went to the same school with but we were never close) is going to be a father later this year. I opened Facebook (one of the half-a-dozen times I ever use Facebook in a calendar year lmao I wish I could delete my Facebook entirely) and saw the announcement post of his girlfriend's pregnancy. 200+ Likes, rallying cries of love and support and everyone is so excited to welcome the baby into the world. And I just... I'm being brutally honest I really didn't know what to think of it. I wasn't very happy seeing the announcement I'll say that much. It goes against my philosophy and ideals. I also look at how fucked the world is right now and I seriously have to ask, is it really worth bringing more lives here? We're overpopulated. Not to mention we're in a fuel crisis/shortage right now, fuel oil is the most expensive it has ever been in recorded history and it's only going to get worse over the coming decades I'm sure of it. Cost of living is insane. People can't get jobs. Life is unaffordable and most jobs don't pay enough to keep people afloat. We're running out of resources; food and water shortages are a concern. People being born now will likely live to see the 22nd century, and I dread to think what life will be like by that point if life keeps going the way it is.

So many people have kids because they feel like they need to or because they think that itll "complete" them or make them happy, it feels like hardly any parents should have the right to create life when its just based on their random whims

The amount of people who have been brainwashed since childhood to believe having kids is the default way is actually astonishing. The fact that "So when are you having kids?" is just a casual question that gets asked to anyone is a problem.

I swear this really is how a lot of parents think, my parents included. They really do not think hard enough and take the proper time to seriously consider and weigh the pros and cons of having a child. It's heartwrenching seeing how many millions of children are born into poverty, born into abusive homes and shitty environments. The one that always gets me is when the parents hate each other but are like "oh but what if we have a kid maybe it'll bring us closer!" and then the parents end up separating anyway. Lol, lmfao even.

I've also had the "when are you having kids" question dumped onto me a few times and it pisses me off how it's just a normal question like it's default expectation that I will have kids.

Why the fuck would I ever bring a child into this Hell realm? It's never gonna happen. I'll be childless for life, and I will make sure I die childless. There ain't a damn thing wrong with that.

 

[cme-dme]

I swear this really is how a lot of parents think, my parents included. They really do not think hard enough and take the proper time to seriously consider and weigh the pros and cons of having a child. It's heartwrenching seeing how many millions of children are born into poverty, born into abusive homes and shitty environments. The one that always gets me is when the parents hate each other but are like "oh but what if we have a kid maybe it'll bring us closer!" and then the parents end up separating anyway. Lol, lmfao even.

Something that I can't understand at all is how self-centered the discussion is when a parent is considering having a child. There is rarely discussion about if the child would even live a good life or if the future of the world looks positive for this child you're bringing into the world. It's just all about how they want a child or how if they have a child it'll make them happy.

 

[annointed_towers]

I am not hardcore anti natalist but think it's a moral question that does raise important points. Bringing life here is a total gamble and exposes people to suffering. We all suffer but some suffer worse or almost exclusively

I wasn't even planned. All this could have been avoided had my parents used protection.

I wanted to be a mom. I'm very maternal and nurturing and full of love, and I wanted to have a family or even just adopt on my own when I was settled in my career and financially secure. I liked the idea of a biological baby but I knew since I was a kid that I could never in good conscience bring life here. I wanted to adopt, help someone who was here. Maybe foster.

Then I got disabled and lost everything. No money, no ability to care for myself, even stand to cook for myself, energy to bathe regularly.

Yet people have kids on accident or treat their kids terribly.

Even ones raised well aren't guaranteed a good life or to turn out well

 

[LastPenance]

I'm surprised more people aren't antinatalists. I remember when a close relative invited me to her baby shower, I just felt uncomfortable the whole time being there. And then I was thinking, you already fucked up so hard raising me, and you're choosing to raise another child? It's selfish, it feels like these people are never doing it for the child, never thinking of how much they might suffer in life. It's always "i want a kid I want a family" without a second thought

 

[voc_89]

mixed on this as I know a few people who on the outside look like great parents. But, then again, like many of us experienced, looks can be deceiving. Who knows what happens behind closed doors. Additionally, I get why people have kids. The innocence and unadultered joy of a child is something else. Example, on the 1st anniversary of my parent's death I met my 2 year old half-sister (don't ask). She literally saved me. Took me out of my grief and into a space of joy, wonder, excitement. So i think thats also why people have kids. That said, you shouldn't have them cause life sucks and you want a sort of booster. U should only have them if you legit want to raise another human being into a better version of yourself. Also, if you have the resources to do so. Children is complicated. I am nor will i ever be in a mental space to do so. As such I will not be having them intentionally.

 

[twinium]

so glad to find others find it selfish or unnecessary to have kids, brings me hope in humanity. its so sufficating how normalized it is to have kids when i used to interact with more people i would at least be asked once a week if i would ever have kids or questions/statements that would imply that i would have kids. my mom says she "just always wanted to raise a kid" and she always would say she just "loves to take care of people" but the way she raised me was so selfish used me for comfort with little care for mine only would talk to me when she wanted to and ignored me when she didn't want to deal with me. probably wound have been brainwashed into thinking i needed to have kids one day if it weren't for how shitty my mom raised me and how i've never meet someone who wasn't raised at least kinda shitty. i don't believe its impossible for someone to be a good parent just that 90% of people would be horrible parents and only have kids for selfish reasons. were overpopulated and the worlds run by the worst people on earth, people wouldn't want kids if they weren't brainwashed into wanting them.

 

[_Gollum_]

Something that I can't understand at all is how self-centered the discussion is when a parent is considering having a child. There is rarely discussion about if the child would even live a good life or if the future of the world looks positive for this child you're bringing into the world. It's just all about how they want a child or how if they have a child it'll make them happy.

This. When I went to my consultation to get sterilized, I was asked whether I would regret this choice. They said I had to be 100% sure. And yet no one ever seems to ask hopeful/expecting parents whether they are 100% sure their child will not regret their choice. It's all backwards to me. They treat creating a new living being--that is entirely separate from you, that will experience their own suffering--as a personal aspiration that you can use to fulfill yourself.

 

[CatLvr]

Ehhhhh ... I am very much a to each their own kinda gal. I don't typically judge others (except those who would intentionally hurt children, the elderly, animals -- anyone really. What is the fucking point of being a piece of shit??) for things I do not know the entire story behind.

Plus, I do not believe a spirit's (what most people call the soul) coming into being is random. I was THE one person on this planet who was not gonna have children. I was forced to be my mother's slave -- I took care of her other children (and she spit kids out like most people spit out sunflower seed hulls), her home, had to wait hand and foot on her and anticipate her every want for 18 years, so to say I didn't want the responsibility would be an understatement. Because unlike so many of my counterparts I KNEW what it took to raise a child already. I KNEW how exhausting it is. How soul-sucking it is. Basically it SUCKS ...

THEN ... I found myself pregnant. I am the girl who got pregnant while on the Pill. And it happened more than once. Apparently, I am one of that very small percentage of women that the Pill is ineffective for. Go fucking figure ...

So ... The woman who had always said she would go get an abortion so fast heads would spin had a choice to make. And you know what?? I couldn't do it. I cannot explain why but I was the happiest person in the planet when my pregnancies and while my children were growing up. In fact, my suicidal ideation first came on when, during a really hard time in my life I thought my children didn't need me anymore and my brain told me my work here was done. And it was time for me to move on. Apparently those children were more important to MY spirit's identity than even I realized. But anyway ... those children (and specifically my oldest child) saved my life. I adore all my children, though they are all "mistakes" -- none of them were planned. Some of them are happy people, glad to be here. Some of them are not -- and have some of the same issues I do. But those children -- I would move heaven and earth for them all. I love them more than I have ever loved anyone or any thing -- and for someone who is a raging empath, that is saying something. Like I said above -- I owe them my life. They have given me a happiness I thought was a fairy tale. In short, they have made me the person I am today and I am a better person for having them in my life. Even when things are decidedly difficult.

Thing is, when they were in my womb, I could not tell which child would be happy here and which one would not. And even if I had known, I don't know what their spirit's story is -- what they have to work through in order to be happier and more content in the world that comes after this one. But I do not believe their coming into being was random. They, like all the rest of us, are here for a reason. So, all I can do after the fact is love them, care for them and do my best to make sure they have a better life than I have had.

So ... I will not pretend I have all the answers. But I will say that judging someone for the choices they have made is a bit counter-productive. Live your life as YOU see fit. And know that -- hopefully -- when we get to the other side (if there is another side) -- maybe we will get some answers then. (And half of us can tell the other half "told ya so!" )

 

[Seneca65AD]

I've watched this thread for 3 days so I did not simply respond without sober second thought. I tried to view the strongly held beliefs expressed here in a dispassionate manner but honestly it was difficult. "Having kids is selfish", "It should be a sin", etc. etc etc. I asked my 15 year old daughter if she ever regretted being brought into this world; her response.... no - she has friends, animals, parents who love her, and looks forward to the future. She recognizes there are difficult times (losing friends, dogs and horses, etc). But she puts everything in context. She is way more mature that I probably am.

I did watch the anti-natalism video posted and that was eye-opening in the extreme: "No one chooses to be born" - how in the hell does he know that? Has he been to the afterlife and witnessed it first hand? What about the NDE's that clearly express a type of "volunteer" system for coming back to this world? His logic, arguments and reasoning were so faulty that I wanted to shoot the TV. "Life is suffering": a completely blanket statement made without data. Of course SaSu members are going to agree with his biased, one-sided, illogical argument - we are all on a suicide discussion forum for god sakes! We all think life is nothing but suffering. But seriously, Dunning-Kruger was specifically developed for that creator.

Look, I'm trying, really trying, to attack the data and argument without attacking the believers - but the double standard is shocking: SaSu members want the inalienable right to decide their own fate without interference from the state or other people. Yet, the horrors of bringing life into this world needs a judgement of selfishness, sin, short-sightedness and every negative perjorative one can spew forth.

So, call my wife and I selfish, sinful, uncaring, egotistical, narcissistic, for bringing our daughter into the world, but she knows her parents love her more than anything and are willing to sacrifice everything to give her the life she wants and deserves- and she is growing up to be a damn fine kid who cares about the environment, people and more specifically, the less fortunate. She is the reason I feel hope for the future.

Edit: I still care for this community and its members. I just wish everyone had the opportunity to experience a little more happiness in life - and that is probably making me more frustrated than anyting. I do wish nothing but the best for all you . Damn I need a drink.

 

[Ashu]

I'm guessing you're about twenty years old.

 

[kunikuzushi]

mixed on this as I know a few people who on the outside look like great parents. But, then again, like many of us experienced, looks can be deceiving. Who knows what happens behind closed doors. Additionally, I get why people have kids. The innocence and unadultered joy of a child is something else. Example, on the 1st anniversary of my parent's death I met my 2 year old half-sister (don't ask). She literally saved me. Took me out of my grief and into a space of joy, wonder, excitement. So i think thats also why people have kids. That said, you shouldn't have them cause life sucks and you want a sort of booster. U should only have them if you legit want to raise another human being into a better version of yourself. Also, if you have the resources to do so. Children is complicated. I am nor will i ever be in a mental space to do so. As such I will not be having them intentionally.

Even if someone has the best parents, suffering is still a guarantee in life. The great parents can't control if the suffering will be minor or severe. There's no way to prevent an accident or event that leads to severe constant pain. Or developing an illness that makes living unbearable.

 

[autisticmessiah]

So, call my wife and I selfish, sinful, uncaring, egotistical, narcissistic, for bringing our daughter into the world

Even if there is more suffering than love/pleasure in this world in totality (which until we fully understand how human brains work we can't really know) I can't blame people all that much for wanting to have kids since living beings in general have evolved forever to procreate so as a result viewing such an act in a negative manner is naturally something which doesn't cross most people's minds in the first place. The scales would have to be so tipped far over in the suffering direction for it to be justified at all that it would probably override most people's instincts into questioning it already anyways like what happens with suicidal people questioning their own continued existence.

 

[EmptyBottle]

Cool to see both perspectives.

 

[insectontrial]

Have you ever read The Conspiracy Against the Human Race by Thomas Ligotti? I think you'd like it.

I do not wish to have children. Not only would any hypothetical biologically related children of mine be likely to have the same rare genetic condition I have, but, even if I wanted to adopt, the genetic condition I have carries a risk of cognitive decline starting in the 30s to 40s. I am 26. I wouldn't be able to see my children grow up.

 

[Off_Switch]

Have you ever read The Conspiracy Against the Human Race by Thomas Ligotti? I think you'd like it.

I do not wish to have children. Not only would any hypothetical biologically related children of mine be likely to have the same rare genetic condition I have, but, even if I wanted to adopt, the genetic condition I have carries a risk of cognitive decline starting in the 30s to 40s. I am 26. I wouldn't be able to see my children grow up.

You are the epitome of unselfishness. And I will indeed look into Ligotti's essay. Thank you for sharing/

I'm guessing you're about twenty years old.

No. Much older. Watching the children of my acquaintances suffer.

I've watched this thread for 3 days so I did not simply respond without sober second thought. I tried to view the strongly held beliefs expressed here in a dispassionate manner but honestly it was difficult. "Having kids is selfish", "It should be a sin", etc. etc etc. I asked my 15 year old daughter if she ever regretted being brought into this world; her response.... no - she has friends, animals, parents who love her, and looks forward to the future. She recognizes there are difficult times (losing friends, dogs and horses, etc). But she puts everything in context. She is way more mature that I probably am.

I did watch the anti-natalism video posted and that was eye-opening in the extreme: "No one chooses to be born" - how in the hell does he know that? Has he been to the afterlife and witnessed it first hand? What about the NDE's that clearly express a type of "volunteer" system for coming back to this world? His logic, arguments and reasoning were so faulty that I wanted to shoot the TV. "Life is suffering": a completely blanket statement made without data. Of course SaSu members are going to agree with his biased, one-sided, illogical argument - we are all on a suicide discussion forum for god sakes! We all think life is nothing but suffering. But seriously, Dunning-Kruger was specifically developed for that creator.

Look, I'm trying, really trying, to attack the data and argument without attacking the believers - but the double standard is shocking: SaSu members want the inalienable right to decide their own fate without interference from the state or other people. Yet, the horrors of bringing life into this world needs a judgement of selfishness, sin, short-sightedness and every negative perjorative one can spew forth.

So, call my wife and I selfish, sinful, uncaring, egotistical, narcissistic, for bringing our daughter into the world, but she knows her parents love her more than anything and are willing to sacrifice everything to give her the life she wants and deserves- and she is growing up to be a damn fine kid who cares about the environment, people and more specifically, the less fortunate. She is the reason I feel hope for the future.

Edit: I still care for this community and its members. I just wish everyone had the opportunity to experience a little more happiness in life - and that is probably making me more frustrated than anyting. I do wish nothing but the best for all you . Damn I need a drink.

I am glad to hear that your child is loving life. Also, thank you for seeming to be as accommodating to my bias as you possibly could as well. Sounds life your life is blessed enough to where you shouldn't have to be here. Do you mind me asking how you did end up here?

 

[Seneca65AD]

I am glad to hear that your child is loving life. Also, thank you for seeming to be as accommodating to my bias as you possibly could as well. Sounds life your life is blessed enough to where you shouldn't have to be here. Do you mind me asking how you did end up here?

I ended up here due to approximately 45 years of depression, anxiety and imposter syndrome. Frankly my wife and daughter are the only thing keeping me around. They give me a purpose to get up and keep fighting. Also, SaSu gives me freedom to express myself more than hundreds of hours with therapists and counsellors - but to be fair, they can only work with what the client gives them - and I still keep my deepest thoughts and feelings to myself.

The frustrating thing is that cognitively I know my life is great - money, health, a great career, great family; but emotionally I always have my little "black thoughts" in the corner of my mind; it's always doing a calculation; is today the day I get found out as an imposter who doesn't know anything in their field, even after 30 years of practice; or is today when I can serve my family better by dying instead of living; or is today when I simply can't suppress myself anymore and just decide to CTB and see for sure what's on the other side.

I actually agree with you on a more limited basis; i.e. parents living in poor countries who doom their kids to a life of deprivation and probably an early death, parents who want kids so they can heal relationships or because it is expected by society. My wife and I were older when we met so we had no pressure to have children; our relationship was strong and it just felt "right" to have a child. Maybe it is simply a case of evolution and Darwinism. I do applaud those who do the calculation and decide for themselves that having a child is not for them. My only caution is that it should not be an automatic dismissal if someone does have a child. Evaluate all the circumstances first and then make a judgement.

I do wish you nothing but the best, but I am saddened that your experiences have been filled with suffering to such an extent that you cannot envision bringing a child into this world just on the mere risk that they endure what you went through. It is somewhat ironic that perhaps the ultimate expression of love is not wanting to bring another life into world. Stay well Off_Switch....

 

[Matchaaa]

I've watched this thread for 3 days so I did not simply respond without sober second thought. I tried to view the strongly held beliefs expressed here in a dispassionate manner but honestly it was difficult. "Having kids is selfish", "It should be a sin", etc. etc etc. I asked my 15 year old daughter if she ever regretted being brought into this world; her response.... no - she has friends, animals, parents who love her, and looks forward to the future. She recognizes there are difficult times (losing friends, dogs and horses, etc). But she puts everything in context. She is way more mature that I probably am.

I did watch the anti-natalism video posted and that was eye-opening in the extreme: "No one chooses to be born" - how in the hell does he know that? Has he been to the afterlife and witnessed it first hand? What about the NDE's that clearly express a type of "volunteer" system for coming back to this world? His logic, arguments and reasoning were so faulty that I wanted to shoot the TV. "Life is suffering": a completely blanket statement made without data. Of course SaSu members are going to agree with his biased, one-sided, illogical argument - we are all on a suicide discussion forum for god sakes! We all think life is nothing but suffering. But seriously, Dunning-Kruger was specifically developed for that creator.

Look, I'm trying, really trying, to attack the data and argument without attacking the believers - but the double standard is shocking: SaSu members want the inalienable right to decide their own fate without interference from the state or other people. Yet, the horrors of bringing life into this world needs a judgement of selfishness, sin, short-sightedness and every negative perjorative one can spew forth.

So, call my wife and I selfish, sinful, uncaring, egotistical, narcissistic, for bringing our daughter into the world, but she knows her parents love her more than anything and are willing to sacrifice everything to give her the life she wants and deserves- and she is growing up to be a damn fine kid who cares about the environment, people and more specifically, the less fortunate. She is the reason I feel hope for the future.

Edit: I still care for this community and its members. I just wish everyone had the opportunity to experience a little more happiness in life - and that is probably making me more frustrated than anyting. I do wish nothing but the best for all you . Damn I need a drink.

Thank you for sharing your experience; I'm glad to see your daughter is living a happy life.

I am an anti-natalist, and I also believe that existence is inherently cruel (not just for humans, but likely referring to the outcomes resulting from the evolution and reproduction of all living beings—such as the cruel results and processes of competition). However, I would never use this argument to criticize an individual simply for having a child and doing their best to provide that child with love, a good environment, and happiness. Although I sometimes feel sad when I see lives born into cruel circumstances, because sometimes these situations could be avoided. Since living beings inherently possess a reproductive instinct, and since a child in the womb cannot know what kind of life experience awaits them, perhaps the core issue is whether society or the environment can provide options to reduce suffering once existence has begun. Ultimately, whether existence is inherently beautiful or cruel is a decision left to the individual. If a person exists and finds existence beautiful, then that is truly wonderful. I also hope that no one has to endure severe suffering in life. Everyone has the right to their own perspective, and I think it's great that we can share our thoughts.

 

[SDB]

I'm guessing you're about twenty years old.

I'm 45 and major antinatalist

 

[faraway_sayu]

how there are even natalists in this thread is beyond me. how does anyone who is suffering enough in life to have found sasu really think it's okay to procreate? this is so disappointing it's not even funny

to each their own makes perfect sense until it's not about "your own" anymore. your freedom ends where someone else's begins… how is this not common sense? especially to all of us here, who i'd assume have been "forced" to consider ctb… we would never have to suffer the pain, trauma, and social implications of suicide if we'd never come into existence in the first place. we shouldn't have to be in this position.

 

[Seneca65AD]

how there are even natalists in this thread is beyond me. how does anyone who is suffering enough in life to have found sasu really think it's okay to procreate? this is so disappointing it's not even funny

to each their own makes perfect sense until it's not about "your own" anymore. your freedom ends where someone else's begins… how is this not common sense? especially to all of us here, who i'd assume have been "forced" to consider ctb… we would never have to suffer the pain, trauma, and social implications of suicide if we'd never come into existence in the first place. we shouldn't have to be in this position.

I understand your disappointment in the concept of natalism and your shock that anyone who is on SaSu would actually want a child, but there lies the issue I have with anti-natalism; it isn't really an independent concept but a paradigm that has developed due to a person's life experience; .i.e. life sucks for me, therefore it will suck for you and your children.

To me, your post suggests the mere fact I was born led me to suicidal ideations and SaSu; however, the truth is that I have some misfired emotional connections that may be a combinatiton of nature/nurture. Similarly, I would respectfully suggest the vast majority of people on SaSu would not be here if they have had better parents, better health care, better finances, better <plug in whatever you lacked that caused you to be here>. Obviously those with genetic chronic pain disorders, severe birth defects, etc. do not fit into this statement.

I doubt I would be here if I didn't grow up poor, or always felt like an imposter or didn't have depression, etc, (to be fair, maybe I would, but for everyone one of me, I can point to several others that have a life they feel is worth living). So, with respect, you believe the mere fact of being born dooms one to suffering; I believe it is what happens "after" being born that may lead one to a life of suffering or a life that is worth living every minute of every day..... and as long as life is based on individual experiences, it is presumptive in the extreme for anti-natalists to draw a line in the sand and say "all child birth" is selfish, bad, a sin, etc.

You also mentioned "freedom". Admittedly I did not quite follow your argument, but deciding to have a child requires a full understanding that parents give up ultimate freedom to care for their child; the child needs braces, or therapy, or tutoring? Well, give up the "car fund" for that shiny new corvette. The child requires new clothes or a uniforms for school? Damn, there goes the money to finish the basement. The majority of parents I know are prepared to make that "choice" (I was going to call it a sacrifice but is it really a sacrifice to contribute to one's child growing into a productive functioning happy person?).

Nothing I say is going to change your mind because if one believes the problem is being brought into this world, then what happens afterwards is irrelevant. My post is merely to explain how one can be a "selective-natalist" and still be a member of Sasu (and still may CTB one day).

Take care faraway_sayu.

Edit: "Selective natalist" in the sense that not all people should have children "in my opinion". Drug addicts, those carrying genes which would cause severe birth defects, and people who are just "shit" humans. The problem is who gets to decide? Hell, given the political climate in the US, I can almost guarantee those who are anti-Trump could make a cogent argument why MAGA should not be allowed to procreate. The issue for me is that where does selective-natalism end and eugenics begin. But that is a diatribe for another day. Carry on my friends....

 

[Lextyle]

I heard someone say that if the child thinks that life is not for him he can end it at any moment and if he likes it he can stay and enjoy. So to say that person can actually consent with being born or not by ending it or not ending it

 

[cluefixphantom]

Hey, I shared the video to my mother, lol. She's the only person I'm still somewhat in contact with. I would send it to my father too, but honestly, it wouldn't make a difference to either of them. Both of them are alcohol-addicted and ruthless.

Thanks to my parents, my life has been shaped by physical disabilities, bullying, discrimination, and isolation. At the end: violence.

I first came across Antinatalism in an german article in 2013. Karim Akerma was interviewed about Anthropodizee. I think Antinatalists are the only ones who somewhat acknowledge my pain.

In 2025, I filed criminal complaints and applied for victim compensation (OEG, Opferentschädigungsgesetz) in Germany as a form of existencial compensation (Existenzentschädigung), but so far, nothing has come of it. To this day, they haven't even provided me with any daily care assistance. I need someone for friend/family replacement because I have no support. Nowhere to go, I'm locked inside my room and can rott there. Around me are people who dgaf and insult me if I were to go outside.

Many people see me as worthless, ugly, stupid, mentally ill, abuse me, – so I never had really a fair chance to live a normal life. The only thing I can look forward to this year is possibly successfully ending my life. I try the CO method plus SN with painkillers. I wasn't able to get fentanyl patches, so I'll probably have to use ibuprofen and paracetamol instead.

I think the only good thing in my life was that I didn't have children. And I should harm my own parents the way they harmed me, maybe I should do it like Lizzie Borden. But I always felt paralyzed by trauma and all the unfairness I received. I'm sad and angry, and tbh, I hope my father faces consequences for the way I had to endure this 'life' – it isn't really a life. He never gave me money and doesn't do anything to make my life better. At least my mother brings my ordered packages to my door and reads my thoughts. But I can't say much more good about her, there is simply nothing. Because of her I was victim to the therapists and psychiatry system. I call it Psychotherapism, it's a rapist-nazi cult imo. They hunt poor, disabled women and girls who have nobody.

 

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Even if someone has the best parents, suffering is still a guarantee in life. The great parents can't control if the suffering will be minor or severe. There's no way to prevent an accident or event that leads to severe constant pain. Or developing an illness that makes living unbearable.

Again mixed. Our reality sucks. We hate existence. We hate life. Most of us just floating atm. But to say that is the default. I can't agree. We all know 1 or 2 great people. Those great people obv had great parents. Are we going to suddenly say that that no longer exists. That is great parents can't happen again. That said, I did say that we in an age where parenting and situation no longer lent themselves to what they were. But I cannot at the same time say that all things given no one should have kids