Discussion Global Nembutal Shortage

[VoidDesirer22]

People need to stop feeding into the panic. The shortage is expected to pass by mid/late 2022.

Also, people need to stop the damn panic buying/hoarding. So many comments here about people wanting some N "just in case." People across the world are dying from horrific diseases and will actually need N in the near term. It turns my stomach to think those people will be denied relief because some here have vague plans to suicide sometime in the next few years and want a few bottles of N lying around to alleviate some anxiety in the meantime. I realize that asking people to be considerate of others is often just pissing into the wind, but still.

Great, a big old minimizer of how anxiety ruins the quality of life.

Once again we are flung into a pain-olympics where only the worse off get to have a chance at peaceful death.

Hoarding is another matter entirely and you are right about that imo. But there is no evidence that people are buying more than 2?? So it's just your own paranoia.

 

[Cathy Ames]

Great, a big old minimizer of how anxiety ruins the quality of life.

Once again we are flung into a pain-olympics where only the worse off get to have a chance at peaceful death.

Hoarding is another matter entirely and you are right about that imo. But there is no evidence that people are buying more than 2?? So it's just your own paranoia.

Yeah, anxiety DEFINITELY ruins the quality of life, that's for sure. There is one person here who said they had ten bottles, though.

 

[YourNeighbor]

Great, a big old minimizer of how anxiety ruins the quality of life.

Once again we are flung into a pain-olympics where only the worse off get to have a chance at peaceful death.

Hoarding is another matter entirely and you are right about that imo. But there is no evidence that people are buying more than 2?? So it's just your own paranoia.

You're the one going off on this tangent on who is suffering more, but if you're raising the issue, let's make things clear. Someone with bone cancer that has metastasized to the brain has all the anxiety you have...and f@#n terminal cancer. So yeah, I can say with a good deal of certainty they are suffering more than most here who want to buy N because of some vague notion they may suicide sometime in the years to come. The issues are twofold-- hoarding (buying much more than needed, which a number of people have) and panic buying (buying N for it to sit on a shelf, which a number of people here have as well).

 

[VoidDesirer22]

You're the one going off on this tangent on who is suffering more, but if you're raising the issue, let's make things clear. Someone with bone cancer that has metastasized to the brain has all the anxiety you have...and f@#n terminal cancer. So yeah, I can say with a good deal of certainty they are suffering more than most here who want to buy N because of some vague notion they may suicide sometime in the years to come. The issues are twofold-- hoarding (buying much more than needed, which a number of people have) and panic buying (buying N for it to sit on a shelf, which a number of people here have as well).

Great, a moral lecture. I have friends who have bought to hold it and are suffering either way, but want the reassurance. Buying it so it can sit on a shelf is A-Okay in my eyes.
Hoarding is clearly fking ridiculous. But it's expensive and I doubt a sizeable amount of people could even manage that. Sure, it probably exists here and there, but I highly doubt it is to the extent that it is a huge moral problem.

"Someone with bone cancer that has metastasized to the brain has all the anxiety you have...and f@#n terminal cancer." . --> I would 100% buy N if I knew it was the last one and they would miss out. Sorry I'm not righteous like you. I want a peaceful death and this stuff is rare.
Who the fuck would not buy N when they are SUICIDAL because some people out there are in more immediate agony?
Like from people who have been fed up with life for decades and right out the door they also have to be guilty for that TOO? Im absolutely sick of it.

 

[archipelago]

People need to stop feeding into the panic. The shortage is expected to pass by mid/late 2022.

Also, people need to stop the damn panic buying/hoarding. So many comments here about people wanting some N "just in case." People across the world are dying from horrific diseases and will actually need N in the near term. It turns my stomach to think those people will be denied relief because some here have vague plans to suicide sometime in the next few years and want a few bottles of N lying around to alleviate some anxiety in the meantime. I realize that asking people to be considerate of others is often just pissing into the wind, but still.

N is far from the only drug used in assisted dying protocols. I did some digging out of curiosity a while ago and found a document that didn't even mention N being used, but there were several other drug combinations. I can't see how people buying N is going to mean that people trying to access assisted dying will suddenly be unable due to lack of N.

 

[Smart No More]

N appears to be relatively easy to synthesise. Not for the likes of most of us but for a trained chemist it's doable and Mexico has plenty of those in the grey and black markets. It wouldn't surprise me if this spurns some ingenuity on that front. If not there then somewhere else. C the chinese supplier that used to be in the PPeH had recently appeared with a fresh batch but then vanished suddenly. No doubt someone could take his place. Plus that batch could be sitting somewhere waiting to surface.

As people pointed out, this current shortage appears temporary but it will spurn much more scrutiny on whats available and therefore this will impact D. Whether this scrutiny will continue once the shortage is remedied remains to be seen but logically speaking it most likely will because there's no sense in suddenly removing protocols that are put in place for efficiency once things are plentiful. Doing so would just be effort fpr no gain and counter productive. Not to mention suspicious.

So yeah, I hope someone comes and fills the void in the form of the ultimate form of N. Powdered pentobarbital. It's inconvenient for many but we're in this already. Nothing we can do about that. Unfortunate as it is.

There are further complexities to the production and sale of synthesised Pento/N though as the end result of it's use isn't recreation. Sellers of F and CF are considered lower than meth dealers on dark net markets and forums. The lowest of the low in fact. It's ideal foe us but for thw potential seller it's benefits are outwieghed by its complications and risks for most. D's business model is oportunistic so it works but when more work needs to go into it things get more complicated. Doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. Just indicates the level of probability.

 

[YourNeighbor]

N is far from the only drug used in assisted dying protocols. I did some digging out of curiosity a while ago and found a document that didn't even mention N being used, but there were several other drug combinations. I can't see how people buying N is going to mean that people trying to access assisted dying will suddenly be unable due to lack of N.

I was referring to the overwhelming majority of people worldwide with no access to medical aid in dying despite terminal illness.

 

[Starylain001]

N appears to be relatively easy to synthesise. Not for the likes of most of us but for a trained chemist it's doable and Mexico has plenty of those in the grey and black markets. It wouldn't surprise me if thid spurns some ingenuity on that front. If not there then somewhere else. C the chinese supplier that used to be in the PPeH had recently appeared with a fresh batch but then vanished suddenly. No doubt someone could take his place. Plus that batch could be sitting somewhere waiting to surface.

As people pointed out, this current shortage appears temporary but it will spurn much more scrutiny on whats available and therefore this will impact D. Whether this scrutiny will continue once the shortage is remedied remains to be seen but logically speaking it most likely will because there's no sense in suddenly removing protocols that are put in place for efficiency once things are plentiful. Doing so would just be effort fpr no gain and counter productive. Not to mention suspicious.

So yeah, I hope someone comes and fills the void in the form of the ultimate form of N. Powdered pentobarbital. It's inconvenient for many but we're in this already. Nothing we can do about that. Unfortunate as it is.

It is VERY unfortunate, especially for chronic pain sufferers here. I literally have pain similar to terminal cancer patients (neuropathic) except that im not dying. I manage it somehow (one day at a time), but who knows, how long will it last. I need to have something, when the mental breakdown comes.

Not to mention, that huge stress makes it worse and then i burn as if i were in hell (yea, burning is also this type of pain, maybe thats why im not scared of hellfire in afterlife - i have it already).

At least i can buy SN, some anti emetic and give it a try when this health madness defeat me.

I swear, im on the edge.

 

[Smart No More]

It is VERY unfortunate, especially for chronic pain sufferers here. I literally have pain similar to terminal cancer patients (neuropathic) except that im not dying. I manage it somehow (one day at a time), but who knows, how long will it last. I need to have something, when the mental breakdown comes.

Not to mention, that huge stress makes it worse and then i burn as if i were in hell (yea, burning is also this type of pain, maybe thats why im not scared of hellfire in afterlife - i have it already).

At least i can buy SN, some anti emetic and give it a try when this health madness defeat me.

I swear, im on the edge.

I too suffer neurological pains.

 

[Ta555]

People need to stop feeding into the panic. The shortage is expected to pass by mid/late 2022.

Also, people need to stop the damn panic buying/hoarding. So many comments here about people wanting some N "just in case." People across the world are dying from horrific diseases and will actually need N in the near term. It turns my stomach to think those people will be denied relief because some here have vague plans to suicide sometime in the next few years and want a few bottles of N lying around to alleviate some anxiety in the meantime. I realize that asking people to be considerate of others is often just pissing into the wind, but still.

You're being pretty hostile on this forum tbh. You were pretty condescending to @GentleSoul on the other thread talking about LE. Have you got your N? Is this what this is about? That you haven't got yours and now the source may be drying up? I'm sorry if this is the case but this is no one's fault here.
I agree with you that no one should be buying like 10 bottles. That's just ridiculous. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with buy it to 'sit on it'. You have no right to tell people who want insurance for the future that they are selfish.
You say there are people who are suffering NOW who need it more or some such but the person sitting on their N may be suffering very much in the future. Why does the timing of the suffering matter? This world is a shithole and no one owes anyone anything. Some people will be able to procure N and some can't. It would be nice if we all could, but instead of going off on here about people buying it as insurance how about you chanel your anger and dissatisfaction at your government for making assisted suicide illegal? If it wasn't, no one would be panic buying or sitting on their N or whatever. We are all victims of sadistic political systems that are still very much influenced by religious dogma and sanctity of life bullshit rather than empathy and science.

 

[wljourney]

You're being pretty hostile on this forum tbh. You were pretty condescending to @GentleSoul on the other thread talking about LE. Have you got your N? Is this what this is about? That you haven't got yours and now the source may be drying up? I'm sorry if this is the case but this is no one's fault here.
I agree with you that no one should be buying like 10 bottles. That's just ridiculous. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with buy it to 'sit on it'. You have no right to tell people who want insurance for the future that they are selfish.
You say there are people who are suffering NOW who need it more or some such but the person sitting on their N may be suffering very much in the future. Why does the timing of the suffering matter? This world is a shithole and no one owes anyone anything. Some people will be able to procure N and some can't. It would be nice if we all could, but instead of going off on here about people buying it as insurance how about you chanel your anger and dissatisfaction at your government for making assisted suicide illegal? If it wasn't, no one would be panic buying or sitting on their N or whatever. We are all victims of sadistic political systems that are still very much influenced by religious dogma and sanctity of life bullshit rather than empathy and science.

Very well said. Thank you.

Just adding to this: "sitting on it" is not wrong. At all. It's often a way of pain management itself.

For many, knowing that there is a way out, right there, at your finger tips, makes the daily pain a tad more bearable. Makes the suffering a bit easier to deal with. For another day, another week, maybe another month.

I don't think that should be vilified. It may be an unconventional form of treatment and pain management, but if it helps a seriously Sick and suffering person hang on for a bit longer, there is a absolutely nothing wrong with "sitting on it" until it's used.

 

[Smart No More]

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I'm so sorry. I'm in the unbearable but not terminal camp. Have you ever tried ALA or PEA for the neuropathic pain? I know they push Gabapentin and lyrica, but PEA seems to help people. ALA too. I'm trying both myself.

I have "a way out" when I can take no more and I feel terribly for those who don't. Does anyone know for sure that D has closed up shop? I'm sure he has a deluge of emails today.

D doesn't appear to have fully shut up shop, just yet. Somebody confirmed he'd agreed to send out a replacement bottle (for one that was damaged by customs) earlier on. He was charging full price which we could speculate he'd previously have done so for a reduced rate. Whether he's replying and selling to new customers hasn't been confirmed nor denied yet but it was PN over on exit forums that announced the end of D's supply so it's hard to completely ignore the claim. The PPeH as been updated to say D is a previous supplier. There some tactical intention with this edit but I'm personally pretty certain there's some truth in it.

There's a global shortage (due to an explosion at a factory) so stocks (and allocations) are now being scrutinised and controlled more rigorously. This will create a new infrastructure/protocol surrounding sales and acquisition of veterinary N. This shortage appears to be temporary but will almost certainly impact D's ability to acquire it. Possibly ongoing even after stocks are back to normal as new measures get put into place and don't get lifted after the fact. I'm speculating again but it's based on valid logic I believe.

 

[Starchaser]

D doesn't appear to have fully shut up shop, just yet. Somebody confirmed he'd agreed to send out a replacement bottle (for one that was damaged by customs) earlier on. He was charging full price which we could speculate he'd previously have done so for a reduced rate. Whether he's replying and selling to new customers hasn't been confirmed nor denied yet but it was PN over on exit forums that announced the end of D's supply so it's hard to completely ignore the claim. The PPeH as been updated to say D is a previous supplier. There's some tactical intention with this edit but I'm personally pretty certain there's some truth in it.

There's a global shortage (due to an explosion at a factory) so stocks (and allocations) are now being scrutinised and controlled more rigorously. This will create a new infrastructure/protocol surrounding sales and acquisition of veterinary N. This shortage appears to be temporary but will almost certainly impact D's ability to acquire it. Possibly ongoing even after stocks are back to normal as new measures get put into place and don't get lifted after the fact. I'm speculating again but it's based on valid logic I believe.

The PPeH is saying D is a previous supplier?
So, does this imply that we will have a new one, soon?

 

[CassieHoward]

I was referring to the overwhelming majority of people worldwide with no access to medical aid in dying despite terminal illness.

I feel pretty confident in saying a single drug dealer from Mexico isn't the reason there's a global shortage in the drug, lol.

 

[Smart No More]

The PPeH is saying D is a previous supplier?
So, does this imply that we will have a new one, soon?

No I think its just meant to indicate D isn't supplying anymore. There's a whole piece of info on the global shortage added too. It doesn't suggest anything in the way of new suppliers.

 

[YourNeighbor]

You're being pretty hostile on this forum tbh. You were pretty condescending to @GentleSoul on the other thread talking about LE.

Come off it. That member was rude to me, and posting a lot of nonresponsive nonsense directed to my very obvious points about why people here should not be posting transaction details. Whatever the case is, I certainly don't have to explain myself to you.

Have you got your N? Is this what this is about? That you haven't got yours and now the source may be drying up? I'm sorry if this is the case but this is no one's fault here.
I agree with you that no one should be buying like 10 bottles. That's just ridiculous.

Glad we agree.

But there is absolutely nothing wrong with buy it to 'sit on it'.

Just like people hoarding, when supplies are limited those who buy just to sit on their supplies prevent those with a present need from accessing what they need. I have every right to state my opinion that such senseless buying is selfish.

You have no right to tell people who want insurance for the future that they are selfish.
You say there are people who are suffering NOW who need it more or some such but the person sitting on their N may be suffering very much in the future. Why does the timing of the suffering matter?

For some the need for N is current and obvious, for others it is future and speculative.

This world is a shithole and no one owes anyone anything.

So wait, is posting against selfishness wrong or is selfishness and "got mine, fuck everyone else" (paraphrasing another commenter) simply OK in your book?

Some people will be able to procure N and some can't. It would be nice if we all could, but instead of going off on here about people buying it as insurance how about you chanel your anger and dissatisfaction at your government for making assisted suicide illegal? If it wasn't, no one would be panic buying or sitting on their N or whatever.

I can be aware that a lack of medical aid in dying is a problem, as is hoarding and panic buying.

We are all victims of sadistic political systems that are still very much influenced by religious dogma and sanctity of life bullshit rather than empathy and science.

Empathy? Do you really bring up empathy just a few lines after questioning the difference in suffering between a dying cancer patient who might need N in the immediate future and someone buying N to "sit on it?" Many here demand empathy, but are offended as hell if it is asked of them too. Or is the world a shithole and no one owes you anything?

 

[downndone2]

Yeah, anxiety DEFINITELY ruins the quality of life, that's for sure. There is one person here who said they had ten bottles, though.

Woah, 10 bottles, must have been the guy who messaged me stating he would sell me his. I kindly declined.
Im not wanting to use SN.
I suffer chronic illness, chronic pain, and depression/anxiety. I will have to wait until early Spring 2023 though, as my life insurance wont pay out for CTB before then. In a perfect world, I'll die naturally before that date comes.

 

[Sunset Limited]

N is far from the only drug used in assisted dying protocols. I did some digging out of curiosity a while ago and found a document that didn't even mention N being used, but there were several other drug combinations. I can't see how people buying N is going to mean that people trying to access assisted dying will suddenly be unable due to lack of N.

Yes, they don't use N in Canada. Combination of three drugs. Midazolam + propofol + rocuronium. This must be an anesthesiologist's prescription. These are drugs used in standard anesthesia. So assisted death in Canada seems to be done by healthcare professionals.

 

[Ta555]

Come off it. That member was rude to me, and posting a lot of nonresponsive nonsense directed to my very obvious points about why people here should not be posting transaction details. Whatever the case is, I certainly don't have to explain myself to you.

Glad we agree.

Just like people hoarding, when supplies are limited those who buy just to sit on their supplies prevent those with a present need from accessing what they need. I have every right to state my opinion that such senseless buying is selfish.

For some the need for N is current and obvious, for others it is future and speculative.

So wait, is posting against selfishness wrong or is selfishness and "got mine, fuck everyone else" (paraphrasing another commenter) simply OK in your book?

I can be aware that a lack of medical aid in dying is a problem, as is hoarding and panic buying.

Empathy? Do you really bring up empathy just a few lines after questioning the difference in suffering between a dying cancer patient who might need N in the immediate future and someone buying N to "sit on it?" Many here demand empathy, but are offended as hell if it is asked of them too. Or is the world a shithole and no one owes you anything?

Yeah you're definitely hostile. That's fine. But if you think people who are buying N are absolutely healthy and have nothing wrong and are preventing someone in agony from accessing it you're dead wrong. No one who is happy or healthy buys N ffs. Everyone who has it is suffering from something. No one owes you any N and this isn't the suffering Olympics. I'm sorry that you are suffering in whatever way but I am too. Just because I am not ready to die today/tomorrow doesn't make my suffering any less valid.
The way you talk is like N is some communist thing where everyone should be evaluated based on how much they're suffering today and get it dished according to their need. This isn't how the real world works. There are people in a lot of suffering but who want to try and push through and people with mild suffering who just don't want to go on with it. I really don't see your point. And I'm going to say it again, no one healthy or happy orders N. You cannot say these people don't need it any less because they don't have some critical horrible illness right this moment and they are under no obligation to give it up to someone who is.
This is a free market economy whether you like it or not. It sucks but that's how it is. You want to die peacefully you need to be able to afford it and access it.
Your issue is with the supply side, not the demand. For the vast majority of cases people buy their one or two bottles and move on and they are doing nothing wrong because they are just looking out for their own situation and future, not because they're maliciously withholding it from someone in 'more need' of it like you seem to think. You're the one who needs to get over themselves instead of bashing people who just want some peace of mind in bad situations. Personally I have not seen anyone panic buy on this forum. The worst case I know of is someone who said they already had four bottles from a few years back and were planning to order one or two more and to me that seems excessive unless the old batch expired. Besides that haven't seen anyone go for more than two so I don't know where you get this view from.

 

[YourNeighbor]

I feel pretty confident in saying a single drug dealer from Mexico isn't the reason there's a global shortage in the drug, lol.

Agreed. No one suggested otherwise.

 

[_Seeking]

The PPeH is saying D is a previous supplier?
So, does this imply that we will have a new one, soon?

PPeH current update: "There is currently only one known supplier of liquid Nembutal operating on the open Internet. This source is known as B, although this is now in doubt. Until the global shortage of Nembutal, this supplier was selling Pentobarbital (100 mL@63mg/ml, i.e. 6.3 gm)...Payment is/ was by Bitcoin or Monero (XMR)"

 

[Leiden]

NOOOO!!! ):

 

[Sunset Limited]

There is one person here who said they had ten bottles, though.

It's a waste. 9 bottles is definitely enough.

 

[Jumper Seoirse]

It's a waste. 9 bottles is definitely enough.

Especially if you're a , I like that saying if something looks too good to be true it probably isn't. I will buy N probably by the end of the year or early 2023. I will only buy from the official source D or another supplier who becomes a regular and reliable supplier via the PPeH and had successful deliveries and good feedback.

I have a few connections myself I will explore this year but these are private and I would never disclose any details. I will e-mail D around November or January to see what the deal is if I haven't found my precious.

You might see a thread saying oops customs intercepted or the feds knocked on my door but I am 99% sure you won't see a thread saying OMG I was scammed. This is a big financial commitment and learning about BitCoin is also another commitment.

I received the PPeH update and wrote a thread on it to keep you in the loup but sorry if it caused panic there could be a number of reasons why there could be a shortage, it could be due to custom officers going off sick with covid, the international couriers being hit by staff sickness, planes, trains, trucks everything is being effected by Omicrom and energy costs.

Good luck everyone, I hope you find
N

Cheers

Jumper Seoirse

 

[GentleJerk]

Come off it. That member was rude to me, and posting a lot of nonresponsive nonsense directed to my very obvious points about why people here should not be posting transaction details. Whatever the case is, I certainly don't have to explain myself to you.

The pot calling the kettle black.

Do you think if someone successfully receives N, they shouldn't post about it? You seem upset about multiple things, likely because of the news about supply shortage, and I'm just trying to understand you. If people didn't post details about receiving their orders, I and many others would never have known the supplier was legit enough to buy from.

There is certain info that crosses a line if made public. The mods will remove.

There's only so many things we can keep a lid on once they become public. I still say this info needs to be available to a wider audience than Exit members. Otherwise I would be forced to hang myself or jump off a cliff. SS is not responsible for the global shortage of N.

Just like people hoarding, when supplies are limited those who buy just to sit on their supplies prevent those with a present need from accessing what they need. I have every right to state my opinion that such senseless buying is selfish

I understand your frustration here. Getting in now, because it might disappear soon is fine imo. If someone doesn't personally need it, then "hoarding" just because there is a shortage is not fair on others. But you have to suspect that if a person buys 10 bottles (did they really though? It's extremely expensive to buy from the PPH supplier) then they are looking to capitalize on the market by trying to sell them at an inflated cost. That's not sitting on personal use amounts.

For some the need for N is current and obvious, for others it is future and speculative.

Empathy? Do you really bring up empathy just a few lines after questioning the difference in suffering between a dying cancer patient who might need N in the immediate future and someone buying N to "sit on it?"

Many Exit members like to acquire N just to sit on it, in case they need it one day. Would you say they are in the wrong? It's not strictly for terminal cancer patients, although there is no question that they should have the priority. Who will enforce that, and where does this end though? Now that there is a shortage, should every person only buy N if they are strictly terminally ill? I would like you to actually answer some of these questions instead of just insulting us and saying you don't need to explain yourself.

Woah, 10 bottles, must have been the guy who messaged me stating he would sell me his. I kindly declined.

Please report them.

 

[Starchaser]

PPeH current update: "There is currently only one known supplier of liquid Nembutal operating on the open Internet. This source is known as B, although this is now in doubt. Until the global shortage of Nembutal, this supplier was selling Pentobarbital (100 mL@63mg/ml, i.e. 6.3 gm)...Payment is/ was by Bitcoin or Monero (XMR)"

But the last version of PPeH he was sharing the "D" contact with us.
It is "B" now? I'm kinda lost here, but thanks for the info anyways

 

[GentleJerk]

But the last version of PPeH he was sharing the "D" contact with us.
It is "B" now? I'm kinda lost here, but thanks for the info anyways

D = B

 

[Cra87]

Anyone?

 

[YourNeighbor]

The pot calling the kettle black.

Thanks for admitting that if there was any hostility on my end, it was merely reciprocal.

Do you think if someone successfully receives N, they shouldn't post about it?

As I posted several times already, and I'm not sure where the confusion comes from, every comment here identifying a purchase, and providing details like jurisdiction, dates, payment info, shipment info, etc. provides far too much information and is creating another lead for any law enforcement agency that may be interested in shutting down the source (in fact, many law enforcement agencies, given the many jurisdictions people identify).

Try a simple thought experiment. If you were the source, how much information about any given transaction would you want shared here?

You seem upset about multiple things, likely because of the news about supply shortage, and I'm just trying to understand you. If people didn't post details about receiving their orders, I and many others would never have known the supplier was legit enough to buy from.

False dichotomy--see below.

There is certain info that crosses a line if made public. The mods will remove.

The N from D megathread, and countless other threads/comments, beg to differ.

There's only so many things we can keep a lid on once they become public. I still say this info needs to be available to a wider audience than Exit members. Otherwise I would be forced to hang myself or jump off a cliff. SS is not responsible for the global shortage of N.

False dichotomy. The choice is not "share contact info from PPeH and scores of transaction details" or "share no info at all." My gripe, to repeat for the 7th time, is all the very specific transaction details posted here regularly. SaSu is not responsible for the global shortage of N, obviously, nice straw man argument to toss along with your false dichotomy. But SaSu seems to be doing everything possible to jeopardize the one source available to regular people.

Again, imagine you were the source (that we all agree is providing a valuable service). How much transaction info (from countless transactions) would you want your customers making public here?

I understand your frustration here. Getting in now, because it might disappear soon is fine imo. If someone doesn't personally need it, then "hoarding" just because there is a shortage is not fair on others. But you have to suspect that if a person buys 10 bottles (did they really though? It's extremely expensive to buy from the PPH supplier) then they are looking to capitalize on the market by trying to sell them at an inflated cost. That's not sitting on personal use amounts.

Many Exit members like to acquire N just to sit on it, in case they need it one day. Would you say they are in the wrong? It's not strictly for terminal cancer patients, although there is no question that they should have the priority.

My point was that anyone, Exit member, forum member, local Elk Lodge member, or whoever, who purchases N during a time of shortage and just for the purpose of having some comfort of knowing it's there is potentially taking a scarce resource from someone with a clear and present need for the product. I get it, you and many others here don't care. But many probably do.

Who will enforce that, and where does this end though?

Obviously there is no enforcement mechanism, and I conceded that appealing to a sense of decency is like pissing into the wind. You're not the first to point that out. Though I don't think everyone here lacks empathy, so making such points may not be entirely futile.

Now that there is a shortage, should every person only buy N if they are strictly terminally ill? I would like you to actually answer some of these questions instead of just insulting us and saying you don't need to explain yourself.

Is this the royal we? I've not insulted anyone, I'm just pointing out that some of your responses to my posts were nonsensical or entirely irrelevant. And yet you keep engaging me with false dichotomies and straw men arguments I never suggested. What is it about this place that makes almost everyone pose as a victim of attacks when another disagrees with something?

To summarize my 2 basic points, before you respond with another set of tangents and claim I made personal attacks on your grandmother's virtue, they were:

1. Posting transaction details on here endangers the one source there is. That should be obvious.


2. Don't panic buy N just to sit on it because of reports of a global shortage. The shortage is temporary, and there are people across the world who need N now. Or as another commenter alluded, stop hoarding the fucking TP.

 

[Ta555]

Thanks for admitting that if there was any hostility on my end, it was merely reciprocal.

As I posted several times already, and I'm not sure where the confusion comes from, every comment here identifying a purchase, and providing details like jurisdiction, dates, payment info, shipment info, etc. provides far too much information and is creating another lead for any law enforcement agency that may be interested in shutting down the source (in fact, many law enforcement agencies, given the many jurisdictions people identify).

Try a simple thought experiment. If you were the source, how much information about any given transaction would you want shared here?

False dichotomy--see below.

The N from D megathread, and countless other threads/comments, beg to differ.

False dichotomy. The choice is not "share contact info from PPeH and scores of transaction details" or "share no info at all." My gripe, to repeat for the 7th time, is all the very specific transaction details posted here regularly. SaSu is not responsible for the global shortage of N, obviously, nice straw man argument to toss along with your false dichotomy. But SaSu seems to be doing everything possible to jeopardize the one source available to regular people.

Again, imagine you were the source (that we all agree is providing a valuable service). How much transaction info (from countless transactions) would you want your customers making public here?

My point was that anyone, Exit member, forum member, local Elk Lodge member, or whoever, who purchases N during a time of shortage and just for the purpose of having some comfort of knowing it's there is potentially taking a scarce resource from someone with a clear and present need for the product. I get it, you and many others here don't care. But many probably do.

Obviously there is no enforcement mechanism, and I conceded that appealing to a sense of decency is like pissing into the wind. You're not the first to point that out. Though I don't think everyone here lacks empathy, so making such points may not be entirely futile.

Is this the royal we? I've not insulted anyone, I'm just pointing out that some of your responses to my posts were nonsensical or entirely irrelevant. And yet you keep engaging me with false dichotomies and straw men arguments I never suggested. What is it about this place that makes almost everyone pose as a victim of attacks when another disagrees with something?

To summarize my 2 basic points, before you respond with another set of tangents and claim I made personal attacks on your grandmother's virtue, they were:

1. Posting transaction details on here endangers the one source there is. That should be obvious.


2. Don't panic buy N just to sit on it because of reports of a global shortage. The shortage is temporary, and there are people across the world who need N now. Or as another commenter alluded, stop hoarding the fucking TP.

The way you talk about all this is actually kind of laughable. You seem to think that N is some sort of public good that everyone knows about and that people who are perfectly happy and healthy are preventing those in agony from getting something easily accessible.
This isn't bloody toilet paper! I'm sure 99.9% of cancer patients don't even know what N is or how to get it. So by someone who is suffering, but not suffering enough by your standards, buying N for themselves as insurance in case their suffering does get too great it's not preventing those 'who really need it' from getting it because these people don't even know it's a thing!
But maybe you should go ahead and spread the word. Oh wait...that would go against everything you said on here about sharing information. Make up your mind