Getting N from A. Things everyone should know.

[konglegend]

Just a check. You did the following…

He told you a bottle would cost you 100 dollars (example) and that he wanted you to pay in Pesos and send the money to a name and address. You looked up on the internet how much 100 dollars is in Pesos. You then went to a Western Union office with that amount in your own country's currency(in cash). On top of the 100 dollars, you also paid a fee for using Western Union's service and the money transfer rate.

After doing that, you sent him a scan/photograph of the form that Western Union gave you (with the MTCN number).
He replied that he would send you the item on a certain day, he didn't, you mailed again and he said that he would send you the item on Wednesday.
And then he mailed you to tell you that he wouldn't send at all because he didn't receive the money?

Very strange. Sorry to hear.
I hope you have more luck with C.

Thanks for the advice man. I did all of the steps i could do to prove that I did the right way, and he just keeps running away. HE WAS VERY RESPONSIVE UNTIL I PAID MY MONEY THO.

At least C has his own site, more than 10 positive reviews, AND SENDS TRACKING NUMBER.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I got scammed by A

I sent the right money to the right email address, and he said he didnt get the money yet, which was confirmed to be completed already. So he said he can't send the item haha. So I am thinking about doing some revenge for him.

I feel so rage and disappointed.

Still, I am waiting for the delivery of C, since I ordered from both person.

Is this a Bitcoin transaction? What date does it show the money was received and the transaction completed?

What happened to the Western Union transaction from your other thread, where you said A emailed you and said he needed to know the amount in pesos in order to pick up the money?

 

[konglegend]

Is this a Bitcoin transaction? What date does it show the money was received and the transaction completed?

What happened to the Western Union transaction from your other thread, where you said A emailed you and said he needed to know the amount in pesos in order to pick up the money?

I did through the WU, it says it was received few days ago.

I sent him an exact amount of pesos, after thst i was notified that he received it completely.

But he keeps delaying delivery time, everytime I asked him when to send it. And suddenly he just keeps saying "money hasnt been reached yet", even tho he took it haha.

He delayed for 5 days. Now he says he didnt received the money yet

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I did through the WU, it says it was received few days ago.

I sent him an exact amount of pesos, after thst i was notified that he received it completely.

But he keeps delaying delivery time, everytime I asked him when to send it. And suddenly he just keeps saying "money hasnt been reached yet", even tho he took it haha.

He delayed for 5 days. Now he says he didnt received the money yet

What is the date WU says it was received?

 

[enjolras]

Long ago, I sent cash by mail. The name I was given wasn't A but a relationship. It's obvious there could be a more sophisticated organisation than we care to have in mind.
I think there's always the risk of betrayal if the business is on multiple heads, with middle men in charge of some aspects

with crypto, no need to grease the paw of a cover ordered to visit the post or WU office, switching positions in turn. the correspondents stay at "home", in charge. also something to remember, the error of manipulation can solely be attributed to the sender's mistake. no surprises about a financial intermediary

 

[konglegend]

What is the date WU says it was received?

3 days ago

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

3 days ago

May 7, 8 or 9?

 

[konglegend]

May 7, 8 or 9?

8

 

[Donk]

just curious how can crypto circumvent A from delaying delivery or him not acknowleding that he receive the funds even tho he did? once you send crypto to his address he can still take your crypto and not deliver the product no?

 

[enjolras]

But he keeps delaying delivery time, everytime I asked him when to send it. And suddenly he just keeps saying "money hasnt been reached yet", even tho he took it haha.

He delayed for 5 days. Now he says he didnt received the money yet

he used to delay week to week : single sending. other members reported he told to only serve 5 clients per week

"money hasn't been reached yet" could as well be an excuse to not give another explanation for postponing (he may have a queue whose sorting out we're clueless about, or other complicated local arrangements). imho for now stay confident. those who try to read the minds of those drug dealers get hurt. they are not traders with ties and suitcases
give some time for this transaction to clear. do NOT repay him anytime soon

 

[konglegend]

he used to delay week to week : single sending. other members reported he told to only serve 5 clients per week

"money hasn't been reached yet" could as well be an excuse to not give another explanation for postponing (he may have a queue whose sorting out we're clueless about, or other complicated local arrangements). imho for now stay confident. those who try to read the minds of those drug dealers get hurt. they are not traders with ties and suitcases
give some time for this transaction to clear. do NOT repay him anytime soon

Of course, not gonna repay, i dont even have money for that haha. Just waiting for his reply.
Now I am on C. At least he gave me a tracking number

 

[enjolras]

just curious how can crypto circumvent A from delaying delivery or him not acknowleding that he receive the funds even tho he did? once you send crypto to his address he can still take your crypto and not deliver the product no?

yes, having the delivery not processed or delayed cannot be controlled by crypto. however, there is valid certain proof of payment, whether with Bitcoin, or even Monero if you keep your own transaction records. There are websites which can indicate that a payment is received (Monero) ...up to exactly when it was touched by the merchant and released from him to reuse (Bitcoin), and actually a lot more transparency for BTC (possible to monitor the merchant's global activity very precisely eventually)
considering the statements, then it becomes easy to make fuss on an open forum or to report fraud to Exit, something he wouldn't like
use crypto

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Verify transactions in the Monero payment network.

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[GoodPersonEffed]

I'm trying to figure this out, and the whole thing doesn't make sense to me.


Timeline:


May 3 - @konglegend placed order with A

May 6 - Joined SS, started thread Buying N from A through Western Union, posted s/he placed order on May 3, and that A emailed he needed amount in pesos in order to be able to pick up the money. Member said s/he would cancel WU order and change to Bitcoin.

May 8 - Confirmation received from WU that money was received

May 9 - A said he would mail the package on May 10. This is in keeping with A's usual protocol to not arrange shipment until he has received the money.

May 10 - A said he was postponing the delivery until May 13

May 11 - A said he did not receive the money, and is not shipping the package. Member says s/he sent the money to the correct email address.


Anomalies:

No member has ever reported A requesting the amount in pesos in order to pick up the funds from WU, he gives the price in US dollars.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as last reported on SS by multiple members, A is spacing out orders, he waits a minimum of 5 days, he no longer ships immediately after receiving funds.

Member says s/he sent the WU money order to the correct email address, but WU doesn't work this way, they require the person's name and city.

Accordng to member, at some point A delayed for five days, then said he hadn't received the money. But that doesn't fit in the timeline.


Quotes for reference:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/buying-n-from-a-through-western-union.38191/

I don't like the way A is operating now.
He said he will ship the product yesterday, but now he delayed to wednesday. I warned him to ship it on monday but he didnt reply yet.

No tracking number, delaying shipping date too often is somewhat very dissapointed

I got scammed by A

I sent the right money to the right email address, and he said he didnt get the money yet, which was confirmed to be completed already. So he said he can't send the item haha. So I am thinking about doing some revenge for him.

I feel so rage and disappointed.

Still, I am waiting for the delivery of C, since I ordered from both person.

email
It was a right address and name so i dont want to hear words like "may be it was a wrong address"

i mean i communicated through email but sent the money with western union

I admit that i became picky, since he denied the fact that money was sent and received completely. I don't know the methods yet, but i will try to find out.. tough mission

Thanks for the advice man. I did all of the steps i could do to prove that I did the right way, and he just keeps running away. HE WAS VERY RESPONSIVE UNTIL I PAID MY MONEY THO.

I did through the WU, it says it was received few days ago.

I sent him an exact amount of pesos, after thst i was notified that he received it completely.

But he keeps delaying delivery time, everytime I asked him when to send it. And suddenly he just keeps saying "money hasnt been reached yet", even tho he took it haha.

He delayed for 5 days. Now he says he didnt received the money yet

3 days ago

[May] 8

 

[konglegend]

I'm trying to figure this out, and the whole thing doesn't make sense to me.


Timeline:


May 3 - @konglegend placed order with A

May 6 - Joined SS, started thread Buying N from A through Western Union, posted s/he placed order on May 3, and that A emailed he needed amount in pesos in order to be able to pick up the money. Member said s/he would cancel WU order and change to Bitcoin.

May 8 - Confirmation received from WU that money was received

May 9 - A said he would mail the package on May 10. This is in keeping with A's usual protocol to not arrange shipment until he has received the money.

May 10 - A said he was postponing the delivery until May 13

May 11 - A said he did not receive the money, and is not shipping the package. Member says s/he sent the money to the correct email address.


Anomalies:

No member has ever reported A requesting the amount in pesos in order to pick up the funds from WU, he gives the price in US dollars.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as last reported on SS by multiple members, A is spacing out orders, he waits a minimum of 5 days, he no longer ships immediately after receiving funds.

Member says s/he sent the WU money order to the correct email address, but WU doesn't work this way, they require the person's name and city.

Accordng to member, at some point A delayed for five days, then said he hadn't received the money. But that doesn't fit in the timeline.


Quotes for reference:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/buying-n-from-a-through-western-union.38191/

U R right.

I still dont know why he sticks to amount of pesos. He said it's the essential info that he must type, to receive the money.

I don't wanna and not in a mood to explain those kind of processes, sorry but i am so tired of it right now.

I sent an email today, i will keep updated here.

 

[enjolras]

may 11 - Member says s/he sent the money to the correct email address.

Anomalies:

Member says s/he sent the WU money order to the correct email address, but WU doesn't work this way, they require the person's name and city.

You're right. WU asks to narrow down the recipient's identity to location. I believe only the MTCM number, then WU receipt as proof, were sent to the correct email of A, so he can be convinced the MTCM was not invented, and claim the order ...locally or even with online account ?

maybe on May 9, he said it will be shipped the next day, cause it didn't cross his mind he'd have trouble retrieving the funds ? then backed off, voicing the issue the days after. I donno

 

[Notabadguy]

I have no dout that both A and C are selective scammers. You order and you cross your fingers. Does paying through Wester Union have something to do with A leaning to scam in that case?

If the only advantage of paying with Bitcoins is that you don't get a police visit. I'll pay with Western Union, because I'll drink the N very shortly when it arrives, besides having N at your home is not punishable in Spain if it's for self-consumption.

 

[konglegend]

here's new update

After complaining a lot, he said he sent a delivery yesterday, and he will get the tracking number soon. But he didnt tell me he would give the number to me.

I really feel doubt about this. Because since he has been delaying and notifying me that he didnt get the money, I am still thinking that he is faking, just to make me calm down.
I also think that A is not just a single user, there are at least more than 1 person,

in the recent days, he called me "Sir", which he didn't in the past. And sometimes he says he will send package, and sometimes he changes his mind. I am just anxious as fuq

 

[Living sucks]

I have no dout that both A and C are selective scammers. You order and you cross your fingers. Does paying through Wester Union have something to do with A leaning to scam in that case?

If the only advantage of paying with Bitcoins is that you don't get a police visit. I'll pay with Western Union, because I'll drink the N very shortly when it arrives, besides having N at your home is not punishable in Spain if it's for self-consumption.

Are you planning to go with N or debreather? You say you're going to use each shortly after you get them?

 

[Notabadguy]

Are you planning to go with N or debreather? You say you're going to use each shortly after you get them?

Is not allowed to be interested in more than one method? I'm not derailing the thread. Feel free to PM if you want.

 

[Emily123]

here's new update

After complaining a lot, he said he sent a delivery yesterday, and he will get the tracking number soon. But he didnt tell me he would give the number to me.

I really feel doubt about this. Because since he has been delaying and notifying me that he didnt get the money, I am still thinking that he is faking, just to make me calm down.
I also think that A is not just a single user, there are at least more than 1 person,

in the recent days, he called me "Sir", which he didn't in the past. And sometimes he says he will send package, and sometimes he changes his mind. I am just anxious as fuq

Please let us know if you receive it

 

[enjolras]

@konglegend it unravels. Keep the faith.

 

[enjolras]

I also think that A is not just a single user, there are at least more than 1 person,

in the recent days, he called me "Sir", which he didn't in the past. And sometimes he says he will send package, and sometimes he changes his mind. I am just anxious as fuq

I'm tired of this. Not only I too believe that's the case but the multiple persons don't seem to assure a follow-up. Tried to educate them about upgrading security feats. On and off I got someone responsive then communication interrupted

 

[chopan]

Who's the last person that had a good experience with A?

 

[konglegend]

Somehow I got the tracking number. Sorry for the confusing statements guys. A is legit. It says it will arrive on Wednesday, I will still keep updated

 

[LMLN]

Somehow I got the tracking number. Sorry for the confusing statements guys. A is legit. It says it will arrive on Wednesday, I will still keep updated

When did you order?

 

[Living sucks]

All i can think reading these posts Is be careful what you say and how, these are dealers and they have your address. :/

 

[konglegend]

When did you order?

maybe 2 weeks ago

 

[enjolras]

All i can think reading these posts Is be careful what you say and how, these are dealers and they have your address. :/

I too believe when it comes to direct communications, it's best to keep a firm but low profile. Sharing on a forum is different, they cannot join the dots about who is who, unless it turns out identifying (I cared to criticise because I haven't ordered in years. I'm not in danger)
edit : @konglegend gave away his destination country multiple times. Fortunately he revised his judgement, that's what stays and counts

 

[NoSuprises]

Fuck N from A, N from C would be the go I think.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Somehow I got the tracking number. Sorry for the confusing statements guys. A is legit. It says it will arrive on Wednesday, I will still keep updated

This is also strange behavior. He stopped giving tracking numbers.