Method GasMonkey Setup [Nitrogen SCBA]

[AnonymousL]

The cylinder's valve is already open, the mask is already on, all before you put your wrist into the straps (they have enough space to insert the wrists into them).

The process would be:
1. Put the mask on.
2. Open the cylinder's valve.
3. Sit and strap body.
4. Put pulse oximeter on the finger.
5. Take a deep breath of air and hold your breath.
6. Insert the demand valve into the mask.
7. Pre-fill mask (pressing the front button for 1.5~2 seconds).
8. Insert wrists into the straps.
9. Exhale fully.
10. Take a deep breath of Nitrogen.
11. Avoid the reincarnation trap.

This might be a dumb question but does this method hurt?

 

[soverydonewiththis]

Ouch more expensive that i thought.
For that money paying assisted suicide should be a available at any decent clinic in a proper advanced society.

I agree with the latter completely. As far as to the former, when I attempted, I failed due to missing one small detail in the method I chose (insulin overdose - I should not have used large deep intramuscular injections. This formed the "depot effect" and prevented the insulin from getting in my blood stream more quickly) Coming back was the most psychologically and spiritually destructive thing that ever happened in my life by far. Cost is a temporal thing (unless you just don't have the resources). Failing isn't something anyone wants to go through. Success is priceless.

He told it's just OCD and overkill.

It may be, but when overdosing on insulin - depending on the person - many people's minds just go into survival mode and will do whatever is necessary to secure sugar to rebalance the system. Even when fully unconscious. I tried to get food - even though there wasn't any and I was completely unconscious. I'd rather have the straps to prevent my survival instinct from kicking in and pulling the mask off.

 

[joeschmo]

This might be a dumb question but does this method hurt?

If everything is done right, no leakage anywhere, and all components are correct, there is no pain whatsoever. I chose this method exactly because it is fail-safe and pain-free. Just waiting on the planned date to execute it.

 

[rigbone]

I am trying to get a bead on your wrist straps from the pictures. It looks like you bolted one end of an elastic strap to the chair and looped the other end somehow on the inside part?

Could I get more information on how you did this?

Also, I have puzzled how to do the wrist straps solo. Once I secure one wrist, idk how I can secure the second.

I think I understand the rest of the restraints. The ones on the legs, waist, and chest. These appear to be 2" nylon straps with buckles, and are not directly fastened to the chair?

 

[melancholymallory03]

GasMonkey Setup
[Nitrogen SCBA]
Positive Pressure Self-Contained Breathing Apparatus

**images have been edited to ensure anonymity**
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Front view

Side view

Back view

Pressure gauge

Lung Demand Valve and Mask

Bluetooth pulse oximeter

Cylinder attachment

Cylinder's connection (DIN 477-1 Nr. 10)

Air-to-Nitrogen adapter, DIN 477-1 No. 10 (W24.32) to DIN 477-1 No. 13 (G5/8").
This will be connected to the Nitrogen cylinder to be able to connect Air regulators.

Measurement of the adapter's width

Measurement of the regulator's width (more than enough to receive the adapter)

32mm spanner, the only tool needed

Flow restrictor for gas purity testing

O₂ testing
**brands have not been removed because this can't be used to CTB, just to test the purity of a gas**

CO₂ testing

Tablet data, on-the-fly monitoring of: Time, O₂ saturation and heart rate

My goodness !! This is very well worded and great instructions. Well done
Also I hope this isn't a stupid question, but is the device infront of the mannequin head for entertainment/ music or / relaxation for one's exit , because this would be so soothing.

Also the recliner chair looks so comfortable to exit in. Good choice

wishing you a peaceful and comfortable journey.

Thank you for spreading your knowledge and information. You must have a really special mind.

Also in relation to your gifs …



Nice song .

 

[Kapsyl]

I am trying to get a bead on your wrist straps from the pictures. It looks like you bolted one end of an elastic strap to the chair and looped the other end somehow on the inside part?

Could I get more information on how you did this?

Also, I have puzzled how to do the wrist straps solo. Once I secure one wrist, idk how I can secure the second.

I think I understand the rest of the restraints. The ones on the legs, waist, and chest. These appear to be 2" nylon straps with buckles, and are not directly fastened to the chair?

I'm pretty sure he used elastic Velcro straps just looped around the handrail, you can se the plastic buckle on the zoomed in picture. Can't se that they're bolted down since the chair effectively traps them to move to much but you could of course do it in another setup/chair.

Since they're are probably elastic it is already adjusted to be as tight as possible but loose enough to slide down your hand. The main function of the strap is to hold the body after becoming unconscious not physically stop you from interfering.

I'm also 99% certain Gasmonkey is dead.


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[rigbone]

I'm pretty sure he used elastic Velcro straps just looped around the handrail, you can se the plastic buckle on the zoomed in picture. Can't se that they're bolted down since the chair effectively traps them to move to much but you could of course do it in another setup/chair.

Since they're are probably elastic it is already adjusted to be as tight as possible but loose enough to slide down your hand. The main function of the strap is to hold the body after becoming unconscious not physically stop you from interfering.

I'm also 99% certain Gasmonkey is dead.


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Thank you, Kapsyl.

I didn't even think about using an elastic band. I thought that all the restraints had to be bulletproof, but I guess the elastic bands are enough to keep you from bringing your hands to your face while unconscious.

The area circled in red is what made me think that it was fastened. It looks like there is an improvised loop that wraps around a small metal bar running along side the armrest.

 

[rigbone]

Thank you, Kapsyl.

I didn't even think about using an elastic band. I thought that all the restraints had to be bulletproof, but I guess the elastic bands are enough to keep you from bringing your hands to your face while unconscious.

The area circled in red is what made me think that it was fastened. It looks like there is an improvised loop that wraps around a small metal bar running along side the armrest.

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What I have found is that, at least on my chair, if the bands are not fastened to the chair, they will slide down the leg rest frame as I try to push my hand through.

I am fastening some eyeholes to the plastic on either side of the arm rest with epoxy. I can't fasten them with bolts without impeding the recline movement. I figure epoxy is good enough as the eyeholes are just there to keep the strap in place while I push my hands through the straps and not meant to handle a heavy load.

 

[DeadManLiving]

How are you gonna displace all the air if there is no exhaust?

Btw there are oxygen chambers for home:
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But it would be easier to use one of those buble helmets (which are basically the perfect ExitBag).
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I have seen some of these on Amazon that look less Medical or clinical and for professional use in rescue or other cases with hoses that I assume supply a continuous stream of fresh air from a source fan that blows in and out which I assume is purging?

If that's the case then can a large enough tank of pure nitrogen or two be set to purge out and achieve the same effect since any residual 02 or CO2 that is breathed out will be expelled with the stream of nitrogen as the Purge cycle runs it's course? If pure nitrogen is just streaming in and out eventually I assume it's going to push out whatever other gases and a pure nitrogen stream will overtake the diminishing expulsion of CO2 and 02, both not mutually exclusive since we need one for the other. I guess it would depend on where the pipe ports are located and the rate of flow including the temperature, in if it's a mouthpiece type thing it might be more ideal if it can be strapped strongly enough. I've read that there are some quasi-ventilator systems that provide some positive pressure in the lungs that could be used of shelf. Will post link later on that device although it is a medical device that requires pure oxygen, should be an easy fix to reverse to N2.

I have also seen CO2 and oxygen scrubbers available online. Could a special manifold be built so that the outlet/OUT Purge line runs through the scrubbers until it's just about 99.9% back to N2?

I wonder if there are any papers or literature on this being tested and the rates and quantities required. I have heard that hand warmers can act as cheap oxygen purgers since the reaction requires oxygen, although I'm not sure if it expels anything dangerous and can contain the resultants or oxidative dust in those micron sized filter packs.

I also remember from chemistry class that you can filter mostly any gas by using a tube filled with a matrix of different sized balls, as the stream of gas flows the smaller or larger molecules will bounce between the Matrix of whatever size radius balls and inhibit the flow of certain gases all together like electrical impedance or capacitance until such time that the filter is saturated and then reset by simply flushing it with water.

I'm going to test this to verify. Another question is what chemicals would act is good O2 or CO2 purging chemicals or solids? Or if not chemicals, then what processes (in concert with chemicals) could act as optimal purging devices that can be DIYd like in the Apollo 13 case except in reverse.

 

[rigbone]

I have seen mention somewhere in these forums that it is a good idea to buy the SCBA air tank and the regulator as a package deal, so you can rehearse using the air tank. Seems like sound advice.

Unfortunately, when I bought my Pas Lite (Draeger PAS Lite - 2216, DRAEGER-3358743) regulator, I didn't get it with the air tank, and now I am trying to figure out which tank I need.

As my regulator maxes out at 2216psi, I figure I will need a 2216psi tank. I narrowed my selection down to the following:

• Draeger 4052006, 153.00 bar (2216psi) Cylinder Valve
  • This came up in a search for tanks, but it may just be a valve
• Draeger 4054856, 2216 PSI, 30 min, Aluminum Cylinder, Yellow
• Draeger 4057549, 5 min, 2216 PSI Aluminum Cylinder w/ SCBA Style Valve

I'm thinking that the 4054856 would be my best bet. I'd rather not just have 5 min and have to get it refilled often (btw, where do you refill SCBA air tanks?). I am a bit confused on the different type of tanks. According to Draeger's documentation there are 3 types:

• Dräger NANO Cylinder, Type 4
• Dräger Carbon Composite Cylinder, Type
• Dräger Steel Cylinder, Type 1

The puzzling thing is that there are vendor listings for aluminum Draeger tanks, but I don't see any aluminum tanks in Draeger's docs. For example the tank I selected (4054856) is listed as an "Aluminum Cylinder"

Putting this out there for verification that this tank is compatible with my regulator, and/or to get recommendations on a better choice, and maybe get some clarity on the types of tanks Draeger offers. My minds going sideways trying to decipher Draeger's catalog.

 

[Tears in Rain]

Looking at the pics of PAS Lite models sold by US vendors , The tank connector doesn't look like the one in GassMonkey's illustration. Below is a pic from a PAS Lite model (3358743) from a US vendor's site (the one I ordered), and a pic of the connector in GasMonkey's illustration. The the 3358743 certainly looks like it's male, albeit a very elaborate one.

View attachment 137167View attachment 137168

I'll reply to your post from the other thread here, so that it can be viewed in the SCBA megathread.

It seems that just like with SCUBA, where you can buy two different types of 1st stage regulators in the U.S.(DIN and INT), you can also buy two types of SCBA regulator in the U.S. also.

The PAS Lite seems to be sold in two models in the U.S.(4041690 (NIOSH), and
3358743(the European version).

@joeschmo previously posted attachments describing both types:

Model 4046190:



Model 3358743:



I'm not sure which model they ended up buying in the end( if they did buy it).


But you're correct, the regulator connection for the 3358743 model looks male:



The regulator connection for the 4406190 NIOSH model is female:


It looks like the U.S. SCBA adapter will only fit the 4406190 NIOSH model.

 

[rigbone]

I'll reply to your post from the other thread here, so that it can be viewed in the SCBA megathread.

It seems that just like with SCUBA, where you can buy two different types of 1st stage regulators in the U.S.(DIN and INT), you can also buy two types of SCBA regulator in the U.S. also.

The PAS Lite seems to be sold in two models in the U.S.(4041690 (NIOSH), and
3358743(the European version).

@joeschmo previously posted attachments describing both types:

Model 4046190:
View attachment 137407


Model 3358743:

View attachment 137408

I'm not sure which model they ended up buying in the end( if they did buy it).


But you're correct, the regulator connection for the 3358743 model looks male:
View attachment 137411


The regulator connection for the 4406190 NIOSH model is female:
View attachment 137412

It looks like the U.S. SCBA adapter will only fit the 4406190 NIOSH model.

Thank You! This is exactly what I need.

For some reason I couldn't find those connection illustrations any where on vendors sites of Draeger's US site.

Thank You! This is exactly what I need.

For some reason I couldn't find those connection illustrations any where on vendors sites of Draeger's US site.

I'll reply to your post from the other thread here, so that it can be viewed in the SCBA megathread.

It seems that just like with SCUBA, where you can buy two different types of 1st stage regulators in the U.S.(DIN and INT), you can also buy two types of SCBA regulator in the U.S. also.

The PAS Lite seems to be sold in two models in the U.S.(4041690 (NIOSH), and
3358743(the European version).

@joeschmo previously posted attachments describing both types:

Model 4046190:
View attachment 137407


Model 3358743:

View attachment 137408

I'm not sure which model they ended up buying in the end( if they did buy it).


But you're correct, the regulator connection for the 3358743 model looks male:
View attachment 137411


The regulator connection for the 4406190 NIOSH model is female:
View attachment 137412

It looks like the U.S. SCBA adapter will only fit the 4406190 NIOSH model.

To confirm....

You wrote:

"The PAS Lite seems to be sold in two models in the U.S.(4041690 (NIOSH), and
3358743(the European version)."

Was there a typo on the part number here (4041690)?

The vendor screenshot you provided says "4046190".

 

[Tears in Rain]

Thank You! This is exactly what I need.

For some reason I couldn't find those connection illustrations any where on vendors sites of Draeger's US site.

The 4046190 NIOSH (National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health) model manual can be downloaded from here.

In the technical data on that manual, it states that the cylinder connector for the 2216psi PAS Lite is CGA 346, which is what the adapter needed is:


The 'European' version (the 3358743) says the connection is Standard G5/8 ", which is the same as the SCUBA DIN 300 regulator connection.
That's why @GasMonkey previously said that the German/EU adapter is the same for SCBA and SCUBA.

You could in theory use the U.S. SCUBA adapter with the SCBA 3358743 Pas Lite model, as the U.S. SCUBA adapter is also DIN300/G 5/8". But that adapter is harder to source.

European/3358743 model:

To confirm....

You wrote:

"The PAS Lite seems to be sold in two models in the U.S.(4041690 (NIOSH), and
3358743(the European version)."

Was there a typo on the part number here (4041690)?

The vendor screenshot you provided says "4046190".

Yeah, there was a couple of typos in that post. It's the 4046190 model.

 

[rigbone]

I'll reply to your post from the other thread here, so that it can be viewed in the SCBA megathread.

It seems that just like with SCUBA, where you can buy two different types of 1st stage regulators in the U.S.(DIN and INT), you can also buy two types of SCBA regulator in the U.S. also.

The PAS Lite seems to be sold in two models in the U.S.(4041690 (NIOSH), and
3358743(the European version).

@joeschmo previously posted attachments describing both types:

Model 4046190:
View attachment 137407


Model 3358743:

View attachment 137408

I'm not sure which model they ended up buying in the end( if they did buy it).


But you're correct, the regulator connection for the 3358743 model looks male:
View attachment 137411


The regulator connection for the 4406190 NIOSH model is female:
View attachment 137412

It looks like the U.S. SCBA adapter will only fit the 4406190 NIOSH model.

I noticed that the 4041690 comes with an LDV with a blue button.

In a discussion you had with @joeschmo (https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/gasmonkey-setup-nitrogen-scba.115434/post-2381710), it was surmised that the blue button indicated that the LDV worked on negative-pressure. I believe he finally settled on the 3358743 model because it had a red button, but as we have discussed the 3358743 model wont work with the CGA-580 to CGA-346 adapter.

While you mentioned that people have had success with negative-pressure LDV's, I was really hoping to be able to get a regulator that both worked with my adapter and had an LDV with positive-pressure.

I have asked my vendor to get more info from Draeger as to whether or not the LDV on the 4041690 is positive or negative pressure. I will report back when I hear something.

I noticed that the 4041690 comes with an LDV with a blue button.

In a discussion you had with @joeschmo (https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/gasmonkey-setup-nitrogen-scba.115434/post-2381710), it was surmised that the blue button indicated that the LDV worked on negative-pressure. I believe he finally settled on the 3358743 model because it had a red button, but as we have discussed the 3358743 model wont work with the CGA-580 to CGA-346 adapter.

While you mentioned that people have had success with negative-pressure LDV's, I was really hoping to be able to get a regulator that both worked with my adapter and had an LDV with positive-pressure.

I have asked my vendor to get more info from Draeger as to whether or not the LDV on the 4041690 is positive or negative pressure. I will report back when I hear something.

I wnet back to the 4041690 documentation you provided me and found the following:



This gives me hope that the 4041690's LDV uses positive-pressure.

I noticed that the 4041690 comes with an LDV with a blue button.

In a discussion you had with @joeschmo (https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/gasmonkey-setup-nitrogen-scba.115434/post-2381710), it was surmised that the blue button indicated that the LDV worked on negative-pressure. I believe he finally settled on the 3358743 model because it had a red button, but as we have discussed the 3358743 model wont work with the CGA-580 to CGA-346 adapter.

While you mentioned that people have had success with negative-pressure LDV's, I was really hoping to be able to get a regulator that both worked with my adapter and had an LDV with positive-pressure.

I have asked my vendor to get more info from Draeger as to whether or not the LDV on the 4041690 is positive or negative pressure. I will report back when I hear something.

I wnet back to the 4041690 documentation you provided me and found the following:



This gives me hope that the 4041690's LDV uses positive-pressure.

For my future reference could you tell me how you found the manual? I'd like to look up manuals for some other Draeger products, but Draeger's "Technical Documentation" section seems limited.

I noticed that the 4041690 comes with an LDV with a blue button.

In a discussion you had with @joeschmo (https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/gasmonkey-setup-nitrogen-scba.115434/post-2381710), it was surmised that the blue button indicated that the LDV worked on negative-pressure. I believe he finally settled on the 3358743 model because it had a red button, but as we have discussed the 3358743 model wont work with the CGA-580 to CGA-346 adapter.

While you mentioned that people have had success with negative-pressure LDV's, I was really hoping to be able to get a regulator that both worked with my adapter and had an LDV with positive-pressure.

I have asked my vendor to get more info from Draeger as to whether or not the LDV on the 4041690 is positive or negative pressure. I will report back when I hear something.

I wnet back to the 4041690 documentation you provided me and found the following:



This gives me hope that the 4041690's LDV uses positive-pressure.


For my future reference could you tell me how you found the manual? I'd like to look up manuals for some other Draeger products, but Draeger's "Technical Documentation" section seems limited.

Nm, I see where you got it. It was right on the page for PAS Lite product info.

 

[rigbone]

I noticed that the 4041690 comes with an LDV with a blue button.

In a discussion you had with @joeschmo (https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/gasmonkey-setup-nitrogen-scba.115434/post-2381710), it was surmised that the blue button indicated that the LDV worked on negative-pressure. I believe he finally settled on the 3358743 model because it had a red button, but as we have discussed the 3358743 model wont work with the CGA-580 to CGA-346 adapter.

While you mentioned that people have had success with negative-pressure LDV's, I was really hoping to be able to get a regulator that both worked with my adapter and had an LDV with positive-pressure.

I have asked my vendor to get more info from Draeger as to whether or not the LDV on the 4041690 is positive or negative pressure. I will report back when I hear something.

I wnet back to the 4041690 documentation you provided me and found the following:

View attachment 137636

This gives me hope that the 4041690's LDV uses positive-pressure.


For my future reference could you tell me how you found the manual? I'd like to look up manuals for some other Draeger products, but Draeger's "Technical Documentation" section seems limited.

Nm, I see where you got it. It was right on the page for PAS Lite product info.

I hope that the supplier I bought from simply has the wrong pics on their site. The pics for both the Pas Lite (NIOSH 4041690), and the tank I purchased (4054856) show G 5/8 connectors. The vendor claims that they should work together which makes since if they both use G5/8 but what doesn't make sense is that we know that 4041690 uses cga-346.

The tank should arrive today. Will confirm.

 

[rigbone]

Is anyone familiar with the "sleeves" at the end of the vinyl tubing in GasMonkey's pics?

 

[joeschmo]

I hope that the supplier I bought from simply has the wrong pics on their site. The pics for both the Pas Lite (NIOSH 4041690), and the tank I purchased (4054856) show G 5/8 connectors. The vendor claims that they should work together which makes since if they both use G5/8 but what doesn't make sense is that we know that 4041690 uses cga-346.

The tank should arrive today. Will confirm.

Holy cow !!! How did I miss that detail .
I did not receive the 3358743 model that I ordered yet. Should receive it within the next 10 days. Since you got the same one, which adapter did you find is the correct one to use?

I did indeed get the "CGA-580 to CGA-346" but I paid no mind to the male/female ends cause I thought I'll inspect everything when all the parts are together in the same room.

Edit: So what we need is a CGA-580 (male) that connects to the gas tank and a G 5/8 (female) that connects to the LDV?? A "CGA-580 to G5/8" adapter? Like this one:

G5/8-14 Adapter To CGA580 Adapter For G5/8-14 Fitting Nitrogen Cylinder Series | eBay

This adaptor Used to convert G5/8-14 to CGA580. Suit for NICECNC Nitrogen filling tool series with a G5/8-14 fitting,if you have a CGA580 Nitrogen Cylinder,you can use this one. Suitable for CGA580 nitrogen tanks.

www.ebay.com

 

[rigbone]

Holy cow !!! How did I miss that detail .
I did not receive the 3358743 model that I ordered yet. Should receive it within the next 10 days. Since you got the same one, which adapter did you find is the correct one to use?

I did indeed get the "CGA-580 to CGA-346" but I paid no mind to the male/female ends cause I thought I'll inspect everything when all the parts are together in the same room.

Edit: So what we need is a CGA-580 (male) that connects to the gas tank and a G 5/8 (female) that connects to the LDV?? A "CGA-580 to G5/8" adapter? Like this one:

G5/8-14 Adapter To CGA580 Adapter For G5/8-14 Fitting Nitrogen Cylinder Series | eBay

This adaptor Used to convert G5/8-14 to CGA580. Suit for NICECNC Nitrogen filling tool series with a G5/8-14 fitting,if you have a CGA580 Nitrogen Cylinder,you can use this one. Suitable for CGA580 nitrogen tanks.

www.ebay.com

After @tearsinrain pointed out further up in this thread that 3358743 is for the European market and 4041690 (NIOSH) is for the US market, I ended up switching my order from the 3358743 to the the 4041690. I actually had ordered the 4041690 first, and then cancelled, bought the 3358743, cancelled again, and finally settled on the 4041690. It cost me a restocking fee and pissed off the vendor a little bit.

I can confirm that the 4041690 does have a female cga-346 connector, and does fit the "CGA-580 to CGA-346" on my Nitrogen tank. So fyi, it appears most vendors don't provide pics of the actual part in their listing. They all seem to use the same pic for any Pas Lite model, and those pics show a G5/8 connector, even if the part actually uses cga-346. I imagine this will be the same situation for the air tank I ordered.

I can also confirm, that although the LDV on the 4041690 has a blue button, it uses positive-pressure. This was confirmed by Draeger via the vendor I purchased from.

That "CGA-580 to G5/8" adapter is an interesting find. Idk for sure, but it seems like it should work. I believe the '18' in " G5/8-14" refers to the length of the threaded portion? I've just never seen the length mentioned in Draeger docs, or vendors' site listings, but 14 may be a standard thread length for G5/8 connectors.

I'm still waiting for the arrival of my air tank (4054856). FedEx is showing a 'customer not available' for yesterday, although I was here all day and never heard a doorbell ring or a knock.

 

[joeschmo]

After @tearsinrain pointed out further up in this thread that 3358743 is for the European market and 4041690 (NIOSH) is for the US market, I ended up switching my order from the 3358743 to the the 4041690. I actually had ordered the 4041690 first, and then cancelled, bought the 3358743, cancelled again, and finally settled on the 4041690. It cost me a restocking fee and pissed off the vendor a little bit.

I can confirm that the 4041690 does have a female cga-346 connector, and does fit the "CGA-580 to CGA-346" on my Nitrogen tank. So fyi, it appears most vendors don't provide pics of the actual part in their listing. They all seem to use the same pic for any Pas Lite model, and those pics show a G5/8 connector, even if the part actually uses cga-346. I imagine this will be the same situation for the air tank I ordered.

I can also confirm, that although the LDV on the 4041690 has a blue button, it uses positive-pressure. This was confirmed by Draeger via the vendor I purchased from.

That "CGA-580 to G5/8" adapter is an interesting find. Idk for sure, but it seems like it should work. I believe the '18' in " G5/8-14" refers to the length of the threaded portion? I've just never seen the length mentioned in Draeger docs, or vendors' site listings, but 14 may be a standard thread length for G5/8 connectors.

I'm still waiting for the arrival of my air tank (4054856). FedEx is showing a 'customer not available' for yesterday, although I was here all day and never heard a doorbell ring or a knock.

I was originally ordering the 4041690 but "Tears in Rain" mentioned the color blue and pointed out that GasMonkey mentioned positive pressure being better, so to be safe I went for the other one. Ugh .
Would you say I try out that adapter from eBay first and see how things go, or should I ask the seller for the 4041690 instead? They said they don't normally do returns because such items are made-to-order, and I've already been waiting 3 weeks for it, pretty sure they already made it.

Edit: Also, it would have never occurred to me that a company based in Florida would sell European versions instead of only U.S.—the website is "wssupplystore DOT com", did you buy from them as well??
Oh and also, why didn't you just buy the nitrogen tank in person? Do our Lung Demand Valves require tanks that aren't found in person? And who sells full tanks online?

Sorry for all the questions but the more I know the better the execution.

 

[Tears in Rain]

I was originally ordering the 4041690 but "Tears in Rain" mentioned the color blue and pointed out that GasMonkey mentioned positive pressure being better, so to be safe I went for the other one. Ugh .

Yeah, at the time I wasn't aware that there were two different models of Pas lite 2216 psi being sold in the U.S.(I presume @GasMonkey didn't know that either).

I'm not sure where he got that info about the different coloured ldv valve buttons being positive pressure versus negative pressure. It seems in this case they're being used to differentiate the two different Pas lite models in the U.S.?

Would you say I try out that adapter from eBay first and see how things go, or should I ask the seller for the 4041690 instead? They said they don't normally do returns because such items are made-to-order, and I've already been waiting 3 weeks for it, pretty sure they already made it.

That adapter looks male on both ends. You need one with a female G5/8" connection on one end for the 3358743 model male connection to fit(at least going by that model's pictures).

Like I said in a previous post above, you could use the U.S. adapter used in the SCUBA method instead. It has a G5/8" connection on one end(female), and a CGA580 bullnose male on the other.

However, on the SCUBA megathread, people had trouble sourcing it initially. They firstly were only able to find an adapter from Aliexpress, with G5/8" on one side, but flathead CGA580 on the other(i.e. not bullnose):

I'm not sure how tight that flat-head side of the adapter secures into the cylinder.


People then found a European website(that shipped worldwide) that sold two parts that could be put together to make the adapter:

However, a few months back they ran out of stock for the parts.

Then different parts were found on separate U.S. websites, to again be able to screw together to make the adapter. :





Someone who bought the above two parts said that they didn't screw together fully (there was some threads showing). I don't know if that mattered in terms of if gas leaked from their connection or not.

 

[joeschmo]

Yeah, at the time I wasn't aware that there were two different models of Pas lite 2216 psi being sold in the U.S.(I presume @GasMonkey didn't know that either).

I'm not sure where he got that info about the different coloured ldv valve buttons being positive pressure versus negative pressure. It seems in this case they're being used to differentiate the two different Pas lite models in the U.S.?


That adapter looks male on both ends. You need one with a female G5/8" connection on one end for the 3358743 model male connection to fit(at least going by that model's pictures).

Like I said in a previous post above, you could use the U.S. adapter used in the SCUBA method instead. It has a G5/8" connection on one end(female), and a CGA580 bullnose male on the other.

However, on the SCUBA megathread, people had trouble sourcing it initially. They firstly were only able to find an adapter from Aliexpress, with G5/8" on one side, but flathead CGA580 on the other(i.e. not bullnose):
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I'm not sure how tight that flat-head side of the adapter secures into the cylinder.


People then found a European website(that shipped worldwide) that sold two parts that could be put together to make the adapter:
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However, a few months back they ran out of stock for the parts.

Then different parts were found on separate U.S. websites, to again be able to screw together to make the adapter. :

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Someone who bought the above two parts said that they didn't screw together fully (there was some threads showing). I don't know if that mattered in terms of if gas leaked from their connection or not.

It's all good buddy. To me it's always intentions that matter, like your good intentions to help others here, I always appreciate it.
I only mentioned it out of frustration because "for whatever reason" my life is full of trying to make the right decisions for them to only bite me in the a** in the end (even hurt others as well). This is actually the primary reason I decided to end it, I am too tired of this "irony of life" BS. Just wanted to clear that up to make sure you didn't take offense over my reply to "rigbone".

Now, I appreciate your help with finding another way to deal with the issue, but the seller just got back to me and told me they changed the order, I am now going to receive the 4046190 model.

 

[piddincir]

Hey all.

I have the pas light system. All the connections line up perfectly but when I turn on the nitrogen it gushes out the mask . I have the demand valve but it doesn't appear to be working:

I am probably being stupid but is there a button or setting on it to stop it pouring out the mask.

Any advice would be more than welcome .

Thanks

 

[piddincir]

Hey all.

I have the pas light system. All the connections line up perfectly but when I turn on the nitrogen it gushes out the mask . I have the demand valve but it doesn't appear to be working:

I am probably being stupid but is there a button or setting on it to stop it pouring out the mask.

Any advice would be more than welcome .

Thanks

Actually got it figured out the button was jammed so the demand valve was permanently open. Bit of Jerry rigging and it's working fine. Had a test and a few bit lugs worked perfectly.

Very light headed but wasn't very unpleasant at all. Quite the opposite.

I love the smell of nitrogen in the morning , smells like… Freedom!

Thanks all - I'm from the uk so anyone want any advice on where i got anything feel free to drop me a dm

 

[joeschmo]

Actually got it figured out the button was jammed so the demand valve was permanently open. Bit of Jerry rigging and it's working fine. Had a test and a few bit lugs worked perfectly.

Very light headed but wasn't very unpleasant at all. Quite the opposite.

I love the smell of nitrogen in the morning , smells like… Freedom!

Thanks all - I'm from the uk so anyone want any advice on where i got anything feel free to drop me a dm

Is it supposed to be permanently open and flow constantly? I thought the positive pressure one's were only supposed to provide nitrogen whenever you actually inhale (i.e. no inhale no flow)?

 

[rigbone]

I hope that the supplier I bought from simply has the wrong pics on their site. The pics for both the Pas Lite (NIOSH 4041690), and the tank I purchased (4054856) show G 5/8 connectors. The vendor claims that they should work together which makes since if they both use G5/8 but what doesn't make sense is that we know that 4041690 uses cga-346.

The tank should arrive today. Will confirm.

I finally got the tank (PN 4054856 - Dräger 30-minute 2216 PSI Aluminum), and can confirm that it has a male cga-346 connector and is compatible with the "Dräger PAS Lite – 2216 PSI - PN 4046190" Pas Lite model. Again, the vendor had a picture of the European model on their site under the listing for the 4054856.

 

[joeschmo]

I finally got the tank (PN 4054856 - Dräger 30-minute 2216 PSI Aluminum), and can confirm that it has a male cga-346 connector and is compatible with the "Dräger PAS Lite – 2216 PSI - PN 4046190" Pas Lite model. Again, the vendor had a picture of the European model on their site under the listing for the 4054856.

Glad to hear that. I was lucky that my seller allowed me to switch the model. They are sending the 4046190 model instead. I got approximately 2 weeks before all parts come together.
Would you mind posting what parts you bought (not where you bought them) and how you put them together (also what tools were needed), like the way GasMonkey did it? It would help ppl like me who are also from the U.S.
Would greatly appreciate it.

 

[rigbone]

It's all good buddy. To me it's always intentions that matter, like your good intentions to help others here, I always appreciate it.
I only mentioned it out of frustration because "for whatever reason" my life is full of trying to make the right decisions for them to only bite me in the a** in the end (even hurt others as well). This is actually the primary reason I decided to end it, I am too tired of this "irony of life" BS. Just wanted to clear that up to make sure you didn't take offense over my reply to "rigbone".

Now, I appreciate your help with finding another way to deal with the issue, but the seller just got back to me and told me they changed the order, I am now going to receive the 4046190 model.

That vendor is pretty forgiving. I don't have what you would call great "attention to detail". I cancelled twice. I did have to eat a restocking fee the first time cause it already had started moving through logistics, but they were offering to eat the 3% credit card fee on the second one. I felt bad and told them I would cover it.

I agree, @tearsinrain has been super helpful. Their research skills best mine by a long shot.

Glad to hear that. I was lucky that my seller allowed me to switch the model. They are sending the 4046190 model instead. I got approximately 2 weeks before all parts come together.
Would you mind posting what parts you bought (not where you bought them) and how you put them together (also what tools were needed), like the way GasMonkey did it? It would help ppl like me who are also from the U.S.
Would greatly appreciate it.

Certainly. I am just starting assembly now, but will post something once it's all together.

 

[rigbone]

That vendor is pretty forgiving. I don't have what you would call great "attention to detail". I cancelled twice. I did have to eat a restocking fee the first time cause it already had started moving through logistics, but they were offering to eat the 3% credit card fee on the second one. I felt bad and told them I would cover it.

I agree, @tearsinrain has been super helpful. Their research skills best mine by a long shot.

Certainly. I am just starting assembly now, but will post something once it's all together.

I noticed that GasMonky edited out the surroundings of their setup. Is this for security reasons? Is there some way to identify a poster by the walls and floors in their posts?

 

[joeschmo]

I noticed that GasMonky edited out the surroundings of their setup. Is this for security reasons? Is there some way to identify a poster by the walls and floors in their posts?

I don't think so, but if you want to play it safe and edit your pics then there is an easy way. Tap "edit" on the pictures, tap the circle with an image of the tip of a pen (it's on the top right corner), then tap the "plus" symbol. There you can add black or white circles or boxes with "add shape". To play it extra safe, take a screenshot of the finished image and upload the screenshot, not the original edited but the screenshot of the edited images.

 

[rigbone]

I don't think so, but if you want to play it safe and edit your pics then there is an easy way. Tap "edit" on the pictures, tap the circle with an image of the tip of a pen (it's on the top right corner), then tap the "plus" symbol. There you can add black or white circles or boxes with "add shape". To play it extra safe, take a screenshot of the finished image and upload the screenshot, not the original edited but the screenshot of the edited images.

Excellent, thanks!

One more question.....Would it be best if I create a new thread for my setup? Or do you think it would be more useful if I include it in this thread?