Method GasMonkey Setup [Nitrogen SCBA]

[Das Nichts]

Hypothetical Question: What if I encapsulated myself in some iron lung tank or one of those HBOT High Pressure Oxygen pods and just pumped it full of nitrogen gas without any exhaust?

Would the increased N2/O2 ratio / density overpressurization of the nitrogen gas confined atmosphere at some point oversaturate to the point where it would achieve the same objective (death without distress)?

Or we could put you in one of those. How'd that sound ?

 

[Glandular]

How are you gonna displace all the air if there is no exhaust?

Btw there are oxygen chambers for home:
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But it would be easier to use one of those buble helmets (which are basically the perfect ExitBag).
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I love how happy these people look lol. I also think that it is ironic that we're using stuff that is made for survival to ctb.

 

[disabledlife]

I had created another thread, for using the cabin of a car, to fill it with gas (like helium, nitrogen, etc) for CTB. This could allow people to CTB, in a peaceful way, out of any place where they can be found and then resuscitated. This is possible if you have to flee your home, if people are likely to prevent you from CTB, if you cannot afford a hotel (a hotel room requires a mask, a bag, etc., for CTB , difficult to bring back this material without being seen), or if you want to admire a landscape one last time before CTB.

There have already been CTBs with the exhaust of a car brought back into the passenger compartment.

My idea was to use gas cylinders, such as helium or nitrogen, which would be enough to fill the passenger compartment of the car, it would suffice to find a way to evacuate the oxygen from the car and to close the breakdowns.

 

[GasMonkey]

using the cabin of a car, to fill it with gas

That's unviable with compressed gas, you would need a huge volume so it would have to be with Liquid Nitrogen (which has a huge 1:694 expansion rate, that's why they are gonna use it in the Sarco). All the documented deaths by changing a vehicle's atmosphere to inert gas are with Liquid Nitrogen.
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CTBs with the exhaust of a car brought back into the passenger compartment.

That's unviable with modern cars.

 

[disabledlife]

I hate YouTube suicide prevention (age restricted and samaritan numbers)!

 

[soontobedone]

If it was legal, I'd pay you to come set one up for me:)

 

[sparkle]

Fantastic, though I don't think I have the means to construct such a fanciful contraption!

 

[dancesponge]

Awesome setup :)
I don't see a flowmeter. Is the regulator preset at 15lpm?
And if so, do you not need to double-check that with a flowmeter gauge?

 

[Georg]

Very sexy .
And bookmarked ofc

 

[PurpleParadigm]

My god, this is gorgeous. Would love to talk about how to get something like this set up. Amazing way to go. Well done.

 

[pickajack]

You are so badass.

 

[GasMonkey]

I don't see a flowmeter. Is the regulator preset at 15lpm?

SCBAs don't work on LPM (constant flow), they work on-demand.

 

[storeboughtisfine]

Oh wow.

 

[deathLiberation]

The cylinder's valve is already open, the mask is already on, all before you put your wrist into the straps (they have enough space to insert the wrists into them).

The process would be:
1. Put the mask on.
2. Open the cylinder's valve.
3. Sit and strap body.
4. Put pulse oximeter on the finger.
5. Take a deep breath of air and hold your breath.
6. Insert the demand valve into the mask.
7. Pre-fill mask (pressing the front button for 1.5~2 seconds).
8. Insert wrists into the straps.
9. Exhale fully.
10. Take a deep breath of Nitrogen.
11. Avoid the reincarnation trap.

Never forget the last step!

It´s a great setup.

How much it all cost and how long to obtain everything?

 

[GasMonkey]

How much it all cost

By all do you mean with the deckchair, tablet, tablet holder, oximeter, etc? I don't know I haven't made the calculations lol . The core components (SCBA + air-to-nitrogen adapter + cylinder) are around $1200 (everything first-hand).

how long to obtain everything?

10 days.

 

[deathLiberation]

By all do you mean with the deckchair, tablet, tablet holder, oximeter, etc? I don't know I haven't made the calculations lol . The core components (SCBA + air-to-nitrogen adapter + cylinder) are around $1200 (everything first-hand).


10 days.

Ouch more expensive that i thought.
For that money paying assisted suicide should be a available at any decent clinic in a proper advanced society.

 

[GasMonkey]

Ouch more expensive that i thought.

That's not expensive for a first-hand top-notch high-end SCBA setup.

For that money paying assisted suicide should be a available at any decent clinic in a proper advanced society.

Assisted suicide costs ~$10,000.

 

[Das Nichts]

Ouch more expensive that i thought.
For that money paying assisted suicide should be a available at any decent clinic in a proper advanced society.

It's doable much cheaper if you buy second hand and have the time until relevant items get listed.

 

[deathLiberation]

That's not expensive for a first-hand top-notch high-end SCBA setup.


Assisted suicide costs ~$10,000.

I was comparing the costs. May not seem expensive for top material.

The point was that Assisted Suicided is overpriced.

 

[GasMonkey]

There are a bunch of photos on this thread and the Inert gas setups gallery that no longer work, I'm trying to work with @RainAndSadness to fix them.

 

[DeadManLiving]

I have implemented a silencer for the low pressure whistle alarm which triggers at 50 bar (much after death, but I wanted to silence it anyway):

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Just covering (not blocking) the whistle's hole with a wide rubber band is enough.

Why not mod it to a pipe organ ensemble tuned to the death hymn with the exhaust gas?

 

[forced2live]

you should start a secret service to help people die unofficially
i wish i can order all these things in bulk instead of buying everything one by one

 

[anonaon]

you should start a secret service to help people die unofficially i wish i can order all these things in bulk instead of buying everything one by one

And risk becoming the next Kenneth Law?

 

[squirley]

By all do you mean with the deckchair, tablet, tablet holder, oximeter, etc? I don't know I haven't made the calculations lol . The core components (SCBA + air-to-nitrogen adapter + cylinder) are around $1200 (everything first-hand).


10 days.

Does all the equipment need to be the EXACT same setup.
Or can it be smaller tank ?
Different hose such as.
Terra CQC Quick Connect to External Co2 Tank Adapter Hose Kit W21.8-14 Or CGA320 G3/4 with 8mm Quick Disconnect
The mask for sure would need to be the same.
I assume because you need the button to open the flow...unless there is a type of on/off valve only. Where the bag can be used.?
Also does it need to be a specific type of nitrogen gas.
Thanks for the post interesting and helpful.

 

[GasMonkey]

Does all the equipment need to be the EXACT same setup.

For an inert gas setup? no. There are 3 types of reliable implementations: SCBA, EEBD and the classic ExitBag.

Or can it be smaller tank ?

Yeah a smaller tank is viable.

Terra CQC Quick Connect to External Co2 Tank Adapter Hose Kit W21.8-14 Or CGA320 G3/4 with 8mm Quick Disconnect

That hose is useless for an inert gas setup.

The mask for sure would need to be the same.

There are a lot of different SCBA masks, this one is top-notch high-end and the best that I have tried.

I assume because you need the button to open the flow...unless there is a type of on/off valve only.

SCBAs don't work on LPM (constant flow), they work on-demand.
The demand valve can be started with the front button or by doing an inhalation (autostarts itself when detects a negative pressure). It can also create a constant flow if pressed, useful to prefill the mask with Nitrogen.

Where the bag can be used.?

The bag setup works on constant flow, doesn't require a demand valve.

Also does it need to be a specific type of nitrogen gas.

Purity rating 2.8 (99.8%) or higher.

 

[squirley]

For an inert gas setup? no. There are 3 types of reliable implementations: SCBA, EEBD and the classic ExitBag.


Yeah a smaller tank is viable.


That hose is useless for an inert gas setup.


There are a lot of different SCBA masks, this one is top-notch high-end and the best that I have tried.


SCBAs don't work on LPM (constant flow), they work on-demand.
The demand valve can be started with the front button or by doing a inhalation (autostarts itself when detects a negative pressure). It can also create a constant flow if pressed, useful to prefill the mask with Nitrogen.


The bag setup works on constant flow, doesn't require a demand valve.


Purity rating 2.8 (99.8%) or higher.

Words of wisdom. Thank you.
I've seen different things about party balloon tanks, but this gives a lot more clarity.
Now the research begins.

 

[GasMonkey]

Important note on the air-to-nitrogen adapter: For SCBA you have to make sure that you get a DIN300 one (prepared for 300bar on the air-side) coz all SCBA regulators have a 300bar connector. The DIN200 one is for SCUBA 200bar regulators (with a shorter connector).​

Here is the difference between both, the DIN200 is shorter:

This is what happens if you try to use a DIN300 regulator with a DIN200 adapter, it's too short and the connector can't fully enter:

The opposite would happen if using a DIN300 air-to-nitrogen adapter with a DIN200 regulator, the adapter would be too long for the regulator and it won't reach the end.

 

[Das Nichts]

I also might add that the regulagor screw protection must be wide enough (> 32mm) so it can be screwed in fully.

This is a problem with older models of our favorite SCBA vendor.

 

[GasMonkey]

As a reference, these are the current prices of the components from the suppliers I bought from (shipping and taxes included):
▪ Pack with regulator + demand valve + mask: 945 €
▪ Air-to-nitrogen adapter: 57 €
▪ Cylinder: 153 €
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▪ Total: 1155 €

This is from from totally normal shops (not "CTB shops" like escMode was).

 

[Das Nichts]

Cylinder: 153 €

You have a 10 liter cylinder if I'm not mistaken ?! Is the cylinder rented or your own ?