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brokeandbroken

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I wouldn't worry that much about media attention. 1) it happened in Turkey, Turkey has enough problems not does it really have the power to do more then geoblock 2) none of the news articles mention it 3) People have bigger problems to worry about. These are the same people who don't give a shit about people in our daily lifes. Too self absorbed to care. They'll still be too self absorbed to care.
I mean the mass majority of people that think about catching the bus and taking their own life never have it turn into wanting to harm others. However there is always the risks that it does. I don't know how you would ever prove it But I have a personal theory that self harm tends to be the introductory step for some people to transition into wanting to harm others. If we become better at taking care of one another We could see a dramatic decrease in these sorts of incidents. So much of society likes Push these people off to the side and let them suffer in darkness.

The issue Is medical professionals Like psychiatrist and therapist are really really behind and really not very effective at treating most people. We have an epidemic of males 20 to 35 taking their own life being the number one cause of death for this age range. Why this doesn't have similar amounts of funding to something like cancer I have no idea. According to Google 600,000 people died per year from cancer and 700,000 people died from suicide To me they seem relatively comparable.

In addition to medical professionals being woefully under equipped society as a whole camp properly support friends family and social circles. We spend so much time over driving the economy we barely have any time to see friends and family. We are so isolated from one another we can't properly take care of one another like we could in the past.

For a lot of people the only value that they see in themselves is their job and they tie their personal value to what job they hold. The reality is is you are not your job and occupation. These two things really shouldn't be linked together as strongly as they are.

I'm reminded of a Tutorial for a video game ranking system and during the tutorial the guy explains that you are not your rank and to just enjoy your time no matter where you end up. It's silly but such a thing can apply to the job market and profession as well.

I hope someday we really have the ability to properly take care of one another And can take the time to develop relationships with friends and family instead of this tremendously isolated culture that we live in for so many people. Although I'm gonna be honest I fully expect society to continue to ignore Issues surrounding suicide as much as possible All the way up until the very last moment when people become self-destructive.

Once you look into some of the statistics and understand the numbers you realize that at some point society will Have to deal with these things at some point As it's just going to keep increasing, But hey at least until that day comes we can be happy to know That shareholder profits are up And the country's gross domestic product is doing good.:mmm:
The issue isn't medical professionals being under equipped they just don't give a shit. They are just there to get a quick check. I've been to 4 psych wards and 3 in the US. At no point did I go man this person actually gives a shit about me. I spent hours with doctors on the other side in different specialities and could see then caring like in oncology. I'd see doctors working hard to give someone more life years and to try and salvage what they could from a terrible situation. In psychiatry that's missing. Never saw it. Arguably the specialty you need someone to care most they just don't. Nurses go on power trips and doctors can't be asked to care. And people wonder why people die from suicide. If you are depressed/suicidal the psych ward is truly pointless.
 
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Prblm cncpt life make vlnt tell u how, life nly 1chnc nomore time mov mov no time travle no any no posbl chng past, this add how no peace mthd avail make vlnt atk all, life cncpt v wrng life cncpt kl prsn slow prsn relz hpne start aggr atk all this same bomb, life make bomb
I'm only able to read English words.
 
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Forever Sleep

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Yes, I am suicidal and I would never hurt anyone, not by murdering them on my way out, not by leaving a vengeful suicide note blaming them for my death. I only want to take myself out of my misery. It doesn't make me sweet, kind or "not like other suicidals". It just makes me a suicidal person.

Suicidality doesn't automatically equal wanting to hurt others. There is a different term for that.

What always makes me cringe is people associating suicidality to wanting to hurt or take as much people as possible on your way out.

I agree. I imagine it's only a minority of people who want to harm others too. I don't think it's very common for suicidal people to be homicidal too.

I agree with @CatLvr that you never say never though. We don't actually know where our lives will lead us in the future. Still, I imagine most can make an assessment of themselves in this moment and most of us (here at least) strongly oppose violence towards others.

I always found that strange on that questionnaire doctors give you to ascertain mental illness- especially depression: 'Do you have thoughts of hurting yourself or others?' Like- wouldn't you like to know which?!! Shouldn't that be two separate questions?

But yeah, selfishly, this kind of thing does trouble me because, no doubt it will give people more ammunition to attack this site.

What a mess this world is though. There was another stabbing in London yesterday too.
 
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Yes, but you ask an 18 year old teenager to have a healthy mind and to think objectively while going through hell, he wanted to see a psychiatrist but was afraid to confess to his parents, that's to say how much he was lonely and couldn't confess to anyone, he did only confess here anonymously in a cbt forum, it's the unhealthy environment that makes people out of control, I'm not proud of what he did, far from it but let's treat the illness from the roots
 
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astr4

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I'm only able to read English words.
disrespectful to someone mentally handicapped and for what? ur ego feel good rn? touching urself to this comment rn weirdo
 
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GuessWhosBack

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It just seems like they are seeking validation. Like, the rest of the world still sees you as a insane. Saying you don't want to hurt others won't make them think "He is so sweet, he isn't like the other suicidal people"
I disagree. A lot of people have compassion towards the suicidal. Most suicidal people do not go hurting others, and do not want to either.
disrespectful to someone mentally handicapped and for what? ur ego feel good rn? touching urself to this comment rn weirdo
They're just being edgy as usual.
 
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Nobody Special

Nobody Special

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I'm only able to read English words.
Why are all people who lecture us about morality always the least moral? It is certainly something that irks me at times.
I disagree. A lot of people have compassion towards the suicidal. Most suicidal people do not go hurting others, and do not want to either.

They're just being edgy as usual.
Fair enough. My point was purely anecdotal.

Ah, the irony was not lost on that a user with "Misanthrope is my religion" under his name is complaining about narcissism.
 
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very annoying to see he was so careless and awful. hopefully no one else was forced onto an early bus ride by his hands.
 
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ijustwishtodie

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Right that's why it doesn't make sense that you'd seek revenge on random strangers vs those who actually wronged you.

I've noticed with people, their own family can treat them like dog shit and they'll take it out on random strangers. That's fuckin stupid. Most people are too cowardly to confront their real abusers yet don't mind going crazy on someone they just met.

I was in a DV relationship when I was younger. The man was abused by his mother as a child. He hit me? But not his mommy who actually abused him? Why? Because that's how people are.
I feel like almost everybody follows this psychology but I don't know why. I've seen people complain about having to work intensely but, instead of taking it out on the billionaires and the elites who make them work, they instead take it out on the poor and the homeless. I don't understand why people lash out at innocent people instead of the abusers
govt offered euthanasia saves lives
It does
 
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Spectre

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This was really unnecessary in my opinion
 
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I've just checked the local news for you. Nobody is talking about this site and I doubt that they will because the media already turned the issue into a political one. As far as I understand, the guy has been withdrawn from society due to his mental problems and kept spending his days online in incel communities. He wrote a manifesto explaining his motives. His ideas are clearly influenced by the Turkish incel community who tend to blame Arabs, Jews, communists and religious Anatolian people for every problem. He defines himself as a national socialist who cannot realize his political dreams (murdering all Arabs and other Muslims in Turkey) because of the "Jewish control" of the world. So, now the media is rightfully blaming Ümit Özdağ (a Hitler wannabe) for introducing disgusting talking points to Turkish political scene and the gaming communities which the guy belonged to. Some communists are also taking this opportunity to play the victim and claim that they are always the victim of hate. Nobody even cares that the guy has been suicidal since middle school.
I was surprised (for what these analyses are worth with a free account) when, just out of curiosity, last week I analyzed the data traffic/visits of sasu via Similarweb, and Turkey was (in the month of June) the third country in the world for geographical origin after the US and Canada. I don't know if this means something or is just a statistical fluctuation...
 
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No More Tears

No More Tears

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Yeah, newcomers bad. We don't like foreigners. If someone's suffering they should suck it up... right?

Be a bit friendlier, man

I'm also not concerned. The anti-SS people are dumb as a sack of bricks. Every attempt to close the forum backfired spectacularly. The more they try, the more our message is spread. We're on solid legal ground.

Edit: Wow, I read the comments and they're surprisingly good. THIS SITE IS STRONGLY AGAINST TAKING OTHER LIFES. This actions are shunned and forbidden by the forum as a whole.
What I meant by newcomers was the same thing that happened after the Shatto death. Site got flooded with people who had no good intention to be here, tried to shut us down, and harassed users.

Those who need the site aren't the ones I'm against. They are welcome to join. It's the ones I mentioned above.
 
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pulleditnearlyoff

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I just got the full stream copy.


He is identified as 18 year old Arda K. (online alias: skreewie) injured seven people, near a mosque, one being in critical condition before getting arrested.


Arda released a manifesto in Turkish, which details his racist and misanthropic views, and encourages the reader to commit mass murder.
Where can I see the video?
 
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Most people who are suicidal only want to take their own life, and it stops there. Not others' lives. This case is an outlier.
IMO, if the above is made clear enough, then we needn't worry about media attention as much as some are.
 
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joydivision47

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This whole thing is fucked up. I don't think anyone died but I hope the victims recover, praying for them.
If you're going to ctb you shouldn't go and hurt others. Thats just scummy... 😕
 
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ThisGameIsOverrated

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now the reddit comments are tryna blame us for this fucking hell
 
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SketchTurner

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I doubt it will cause too much trouble for here. You have to remember other websites associated with publicised mass killing manifestos that got in legal trouble also encouraged and celebrated the killings.
 
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i go MIA off this site for a bit and come back to this. LMFAO
 
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I doubt it will cause too much trouble for here. You have to remember other websites associated with publicised mass killing manifestos that got in legal trouble also encouraged and celebrated the killings.
That JP MegaDrive Comix Zone profile picture is really swell.
 
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I just got the full stream copy.


He is identified as 18 year old Arda K. (online alias: skreewie) injured seven people, near a mosque, one being in critical condition before getting arrested.


Arda released a manifesto in Turkish, which details his racist and misanthropic views, and encourages the reader to commit mass murder.
I hope this explains for the people. Its a racially motivated crime that has little to do with us or being suicidal itself imo. They have completely a different kinda mindset

I mean the sad thing is there are people on here who frequent other places online where they make it clear they are completely racist, sexist, perverted, and creepy past the Point of No Return, even if they are a small minority and the forum is 99% good. This guy seems like he was barely on here. People who are desperate will dabble all over. Unfortunately, the media isn't fair in who it blames...

Will govts drone strike SaSu users? Euthanasia more cost effective.
"They want to die, we must stop them with death!" Unironically gvt level thinking
Why don't these people at least delete their history first?
It should be easier to delete your own history, maybe
 
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I mean the sad thing is there are people on here who frequent other places online where they make it clear they are completely racist, sexist, perverted, and creepy past the Point of No Return, even if they are a small minority and the forum is 99% good. This guy seems like he was barely on here. People who are desperate will dabble all over. Unfortunately, the media isn't fair in who it blames...


"They want to die, we must stop them with death!" Unironically gvt level thinking

It should be easier to delete your own history, maybe
With the headiine of this post, its like setting ourselves on fire wantedly lol
 
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This morning I saw this case reported in American news. The report ended with - "the assailant is believed to be influenced by a video game."
 
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Yes, but you ask an 18 year old teenager to have a healthy mind and to think objectively while going through hell, he wanted to see a psychiatrist but was afraid to confess to his parents, that's to say how much he was lonely and couldn't confess to anyone, he did only confess here anonymously in a cbt forum, it's the unhealthy environment that makes people out of control, I'm not proud of what he did, far from it but let's treat the illness from the roots
Yeah, this wasn't some "oh no! Poor mentally ill man does something while not sound of mind" situation. He specifically went out of his way to target muslims. He is an Islamophobic and racist bigot who went out of his way to hurt people.
I hope this explains for the people. Its a racially motivated crime that has little to do with us or being suicidal itself imo. They have completely a different kinda mindset
Several news sites claimed he also wore a "black sun," a Nazi symbol made up of several swastikas, on his chest.

Let's stop using mental illness as a way to excuse the unforgivable crimes of others. He was an adult and he went out of his way to harm a specific group of people.
 
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