Method Forget Fentanyl - try Eto

[fent_dnm27]

I've seen a couple people posting about sourcing Fentanyl online. I'm trying to do the same, and after doing some research I thought i'd compile my findings for the SS community:

1. China was the main producer and supplier of F. Since 2019 the Chinese government has implemented a blanket ban on F production. This means you can no longer order it online as easily as you have read about.

2. The chinese government did not however, ban the fentanyl precursors or other synthetic opioids.

3. Fentanyl is still available in North America, through Mexican Cartels. Chinese/Indian chemists ship the precursors to the cartels, who synthesize the fentanyl themselves. This gets distributed throughout US/Can through their regular networks.

4. If you buy perc-30's from a street level dealer, they will likely test positive for fent. But since i'm looking at online purchases, my recommendation is for comparably lethal synthetic opioids that have not yet been banned.

I'm particularly interested in Etonitazene due to access, cost, and efficacy. The DEA reports that Fentanyl is 100x stronger than Morphine. How does Etonitazene compare?​

"Etonitazene is 1,000 times more powerful than morphine," Dr. Yili Huang, the director of the pain management center at Northwell Health's Phelps Hospital in New York, told Healthline.
Source​

An etonitazene analogue, etonitazepyne, is worth similar consideration. I've come across one report that a very high tolerance user nearly OD'd (paramedics involved) from less than 2mg of etonitazepyne. If you are opioid naive, you will need even less to CTB.

I hope this is helpful. Draw your own conclusions, do your own research, and use the search bar here on SS. I won't answer any stupid or redundant questions.

 

[umniak]

It appears to be Schedule I in the US and it's analog isotonitazene has just been scheduled as well as of a couple of months ago.

 

[killjoy]

Is this available in research chems on the dn markets? If it is i would be very very interested as I have a 2 week tops deadline to ctb before I get into all kinds of mess that I don't need on top of wanting to ctb.

 

[Nymph]

Compared to morphine

 

[fent_dnm27]

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1. It literally says [better source needed] on the wiki page for that citation, which is a paper from 1963. Every modern report including the one I cited states etonitazene is more potent than fentanyl.

2. The point of the thread is to find an accessible fentanyl substitute. Your lazy attempt at nitpicking offers nothing of substance to the discussion.

It appears to be Schedule I in the US and it's analog isotonitazene has just been scheduled as well as of a couple of months ago.

So is fentanyl.... i fail to see what your point is.

If part of your CTB preferences include not pissing off the DEA, etonitazepyne does not yet seem to be scheduled.

 

[Nymph]

1. It literally says [better source needed] on the wiki page for that citation, which is a paper from 1963. Every modern report including the one I cited states etonitazene is more potent than fentanyl.

2. The point of the thread is to find an accessible fentanyl substitute. Your lazy attempt at nitpicking offers nothing of substance to the discussion.


So is fentanyl.... i fail to see what your point is.

If part of your CTB preferences include not pissing off the DEA, etonitazepyne does not yet seem to be scheduled.

?? I wasn't nitpicking? Why are you getting offended or something lol. I'm curious about this too, I wasn't attempting anything, it's just what came up when I search it.

 

[greyhound]

I like your thinking, was just looking on the DNMs and some of these analogs are still available. They also seem to suppress respiration a lot and are particularly dangerous for this reason.

The difficulty I think would be how to use it.. the oral potency see to be much lower than IV. But if trying to inject like a massive dose you might black out almost immediately before you could finish. I guess the same reason why they say not to self inject N. Might have to rig up some sort of IV bag drip which I guess could be doable but definitely not something I've tried before.

The plus side is that a lot of the sellers will guarantee delivery / free reship unlike A where you pay 50% for reship. The downside is the unknown lethality, although probable its not like 2 vials of N which is almost guaranteed.

 

[killjoy]

I like your thinking, was just looking on the DNMs and some of these analogs are still available. They also seem to suppress respiration a lot and are particularly dangerous for this reason.

The difficulty I think would be how to use it.. the oral potency see to be much lower than IV. But if trying to inject like a massive dose you might black out almost immediately before you could finish. I guess the same reason why they say not to self inject N. Might have to rig up some sort of IV bag drip which I guess could be doable but definitely not something I've tried before.

The plus side is that a lot of the sellers will guarantee delivery / free reship unlike A where you pay 50% for reship. The downside is the unknown lethality, although probable its not like 2 vials of N which is almost guaranteed.

The research chems where these lie are far cheaper than N and there's more risk you won't receive N.
N on the dn when I last looked is £1200 for a proper dose

 

[fent_dnm27]

The research chems where these lie are far cheaper than N and there's more risk you won't receive N.
N on the dn when I last looked is £1200 for a proper dose

100%.

The market for N is small, highly regulated, full of issues like scammers and inconsistent vendors (look at how much trouble people have getting "N from A" in the PPH and how much drama that produces).

RC's/synthetic opioids are a much larger market that is constantly evolving, meaning LEOs constantly have to play catch up, and new vendors are regularly appearing. They're also a fraction of the cost to produce, and since the volume of product required is much less, the overall risk is reduced significantly.

The difficulty I think would be how to use it.

I think you're overthinking this. these drugs are lethal at insanely small amounts.

Even with the difference in bioavailability from ROA, i don't imagine anyone could survive insufflating 5mg of any eto analogue. No tools needed, either.

 

[FatalSystemError591]

You've definitely convinced me but... what are the side effects and chances of failure?

 

[greyhound]

Hamilton's Pharmacopeia

I have never been that into opiates. Sure, the drug train has made a brief stop at heroin junction, but it’s honestly not my thing.

www.vice.com

 

[Amumu]

Yeah it would be great if the PPH were more precise about opiates

 

[fent_dnm27]

I've since learned etonitazene is not synthesized anymore - only it's analogues.

the holy grail for me presently due to cost, access, and potency is etonitazepyne.

 

[adam&eve]

Where can one buy eto?

 

[Lost21]

I too would like to know where to buy eto?

 

[wannago]

To anyone interested about the cost of etonitazene or it's associated chems, the cheapest available even on the dark markets literally shipping from China is still 180+, and that's one of the derivatives, but it seems you can't really find these things in quantities below 5 grams. Shame really.

Still seems to me that H is the best cheaper method. F if somehow accessible.

edit: ignore me. Accessible and cheaper ones are too. Might be my method! Considering ordering right away.

 

[fent_dnm27]

180+

if this is "TGRC", i've been told that this place sells adulterated product.

you can't really find these things in quantities below 5 grams.

similarly, if this is who i'm thinking of (m*****meds) i've been told that this one selectively scams. They run a clear web operation that is easily identifiable (same prompts, text descriptions etc) as well.

the online RC/opioids community is somewhat secretive about sources (understandably so) but they're keen to call out scammers and frauds. If you spend some time talking to folks in that community they will be able to point you in the right direction.

 

[oono]

if we mix several grams of it in a glass of water to drink it will it do the job? Seeing as it sounds very powerful yes, at least I hope so. After taking anti-emetic 30min before, seems good to me too

 

[wannago]

if this is "TGRC", i've been told that this place sells adulterated product.


similarly, if this is who i'm thinking of (m*****meds) i've been told that this one selectively scams. They run a clear web operation that is easily identifiable (same prompts, text descriptions etc) as well.

the online RC/opioids community is somewhat secretive about sources (understandably so) but they're keen to call out scammers and frauds. If you spend some time talking to folks in that community they will be able to point you in the right direction.

Not sure who you meant by TGRC. For the meds one, yes. But if you use Escrow you'll be fine.

On one of the markets I won't name, there's one new account for Etazene half grams at £60 UK>UK and a gram for like £85. Might give it a go, not sure how to administer etc.

 

[fent_dnm27]

Not sure who you meant by TGRC. For the meds one, yes. But if you use Escrow you'll be fine.

On one of the markets I won't name, there's one new account for Etazene half grams at £60 UK>UK and a gram for like £85. Might give it a go, not sure how to administer etc.

Ah. I'm looking exclusively at Etonitazepyne at this point.

Much higher potency than Etazene, and i have come across at least one report that Etazene induces much less respiratory depression - which kind of makes it pointless for CTB.

For administration, highest bioavailability/fastest acting generally would be IV. IIRC you would be out in a couple of minutes with a high enough dose.

However if you choose to go with Etonitazepyne it is supposed to have exceptional potency when insufflated.

 

[wannago]

if we mix several grams of it in a glass of water to drink it will it do the job? Seeing as it sounds very powerful yes, at least I hope so. After taking anti-emetic 30min before, seems good to me too

30 min before? Not an hour?

Ah. I'm looking exclusively at Etonitazepyne at this point.

Much higher potency than Etazene, and i have come across at least one report that Etazene induces much less respiratory depression - which kind of makes it pointless for CTB.

For administration, highest bioavailability/fastest acting generally would be IV. IIRC you would be out in a couple of minutes with a high enough dose.

However if you choose to go with Etonitazepyne it is supposed to have exceptional potency when insufflated.

Would you not just vomit/get super high insufflating? Good to know though - would you need over a half gram? From lack of experience I'd assumed that IVing was more or less instant.

 

[knowman]

Hi everyone. So I am very interested in keeping this thread alive. There seems to be a place for this product (Etonitazepyne) in the lives of many who have issues with SI (Exit Bag, hanging, SN, etc.), as well as life with potential failures of any type.

I'm in a very difficult place regarding my bio/psycho health (I'm 72), and this product, which was introduced to me by another member, appears to be offering great hope.

My problem has been finding a trusted vendor, as well as sorting out delivery and quality potential issues.
I know little about crypto payments or other parts of the web. So again, let's keep the inquiry going, and if anyone can help me, please reach out by PM. I will do the same. Thank you.

 

[liverpoolfan]

Interesting info thank you. Problem is when you're depressed, the whole faff of dark nets and bitcoins and trying to navigate the legit sellers from the scammers is too much to deal with.

 

[ohhgeeitsme]

Interesting info thank you. Problem is when you're depressed, the whole faff of dark nets and bitcoins and trying to navigate the legit sellers from the scammers is too much to deal with.

this.

 

[oono]

The problem is also how to take it? Drink all the powder mix in a glass of water? It is not difficult to find a serious seller for this product, go to WHM type the name of the product and you will see that several sellers are legitimate

 

[SleepyTime]

I've really got to go on the DNM sites. I have some old BC's that are worth a lot more than a year ago. I wasn't even aware of the large increase. Now I can order a selection of things... it makes the hassle more bearable.

 

[oono]

Hello, could you PM me please?

Please me too if possible

 

[Meditation guide]

I checked and these are all illegal in the USA.

 

[oono]

Otherwise you really think that this powder is fatal by drinking it in a glass of water? By taking a good antiemetic

 

[suicidesheep31]

It is really expensive compared to SN... for research content SN is only around 31 euros and even less if you have a licence for 100 g. For this one, it is 177 euros without licence!!
However, I might prefer the effect of this one than the effect of SN only because I did take buprenorphine in the past and know what to expect...
Thanks for sharing