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Can some help me with the regulator? :'(:'(Does it need to be a high pressure regulator?? Or just the regular one?
The regulator only needed to set the flow/pressure output of air right?

People, please!

I wrote about this before in this thread (months ago).
You don't really need to blow the bag continuously.

What you really need is to create a confined space of N2 to get knocked-out quickly.
Take the biggest bag you can - from hardware supplies - the type they use for outdoor dumpsters. 200 L or so.

Once you have it secured around your neck, get it filled with N2 holding your breath. Would take 30-40 seconds.
As soon as you start breathing, things will start to charge rapidly. It's very close to general anesthesia.
Just start to count: 1... Inhale ... 2.... Exhale .... 3... Inhale ... 4.... Exhale....
On count 7 or 8 your vision will turn blurry and foggy, there might be a little bit of ringing. On count 9 to 10 you are disoriented and unconscious.

It means what it means - unconscious means immobilized, incapacitated. There's no gasping, no fighting for air.
With every shallow breath you're still taking, the will be less O2 in your system, putting you to even deeper sleep.
If you are really, really worried about taking the bag off, you might want to think about securing your hands somehow.
Thats it. If you don't take it off, you're not going to come back. At all. Because you're already incapable of it. Your body is not giving a tiniest f### about CO2 build-up et cetera!

The whole idea of this method is to get knocked-out ASAP, within 10 seconds.
You're not supposed to sit with the bag on your head for minutes praying for it to work. No. It either kicks in within 10-15 s or your setup is wrong.
Don't take my word for it - experiment and write back.
But can we lie down? Some said we cant lie down. Because if were sitting after we become unconscious the body will fall, etc and it might cause issue..

Also there are reports saying the body will trmor and jerking afterward

So what if the bag lose or the hose, etc

about securing the hands i wonder how and what method thats not to extreme(only just to make it harder to takr off the bag) and can do it alone
 
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Can some help me with the regulator? :'(:'(Does it need to be a high pressure regulator?? Or just the regular one?
The regulator only needed to set the flow/pressure output of air right?


But can we lie down? Some said we cant lie down. Because if were sitting after we become unconscious the body will fall, etc and it might cause issue..

Also there are reports saying the body will trmor and jerking afterward

So what if the bag lose or the hose, etc

about securing the hands i wonder how and what method thats not to extreme(only just to make it harder to takr off the bag) and can do it alone
Just a regular nitrogen regulator will do---Nothing will get loose if you make sure all is securely connected---I will be lying down in the bed but propped up by big pillows---You don't need to secure your hands, that's only with CO2 suffocation/sleeping pill method proposed by Final Exit because your SI will kick in---With Nitrogen, you just go to sleep
 
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Just a regular nitrogen regulator will do---Nothing will get loose if you make sure all is securely connected---I will be lying down in the bed but propped up by big pillows---You don't need to secure your hands, that's only with CO2 suffocation/sleeping pill method proposed by Final Exit because your SI will kick in---With Nitrogen, you just go to sleep
Do you know the cheapest harris regulator for this?
i mean the cylinder connection, hose, etc should be the same right?

theres so many types(and also brands) i dont know what to look for

Do i only need nitrogen regulator that can do the 15LPM? And the BAR? I dont understand that, also They ask me for output an input spec

:'(
 
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Do you know the cheapest harris regulator for this?
i mean the cylinder connection, hose, etc should be the same right?

theres so many types(and also brands) i dont know what to look for

Do i only need nitrogen regulator that can do the 15LPM? And the BAR? I dont understand that, also They ask me for output an input spec

:'(
I bought a Harris Nitrogen regulator myself for $155(Input 0 to 3000 PSI the right dial, Output 0 to600PSI the left dial--Almost all Nitrogen regulators fit fine to the Nitrogen tank--CGA580 for US and CGA540 for the UK(what's known as the BAR)---But you need a Flowmeter to set it to15 LPM to attach to the regulator also, about $70-------Please PM Greenberg for more info on the Inert Gases/Exit Bag Mega thread for those answers
 
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I bought a Harris Nitrogen regulator myself for $155(Input 0 to 3000 PSI the right dial, Output 0 to600PSI the left dial--Almost all Nitrogen regulators fit fine to the Nitrogen tank--CGA580 for US and CGA540 for the UK(what's known as the BAR)---But you need a Flowmeter to set it to15 LPM to attach to the regulator also, about $70-------Please PM Greenberg for more info on the Inert Gases/Exit Bag Mega thread for those answers
your regulator isnt high pressure?

Is regulator expensive? Usually around 100$ ? Its mor expensive than the cylinder gas itself.

so you need buy additional flowmeter not just regulator?
 
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your regulator isnt high pressure?

Is regulator expensive? Usually around 100$ ? Its mor expensive than the cylinder gas itself.

so you need buy additional flowmeter not just regulator?
Yes, you need a flowmeter---Unless you buy a MaxDog regulator from Australia($330)where the flowmeter is already built in
 
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I have tried Nitrogen with exit-bag twice yesterday, but there is no peaceful unconscious.
The feeling of suffocation happened, also I could feel the blood out from my face and acra.
Those pains made me take off the exit-bag, making a ringing in the ears and dizziness.

I had tightly tied the exit-bag entrance twice with a rubber band, also more than 15L/m flow rate and deep breath strictly had been cleaved.
But at 50 seconds in the first try and 30 seconds in the second try, I could not afford those pains.

It is not true that only excess carbon dioxide makes humans feel suffocation.
The extremely low oxygen density also makes the same phenomenon.

It seems the exit-bag method to require plenty of endurance and concentration to overcome an instinct for survival.
The peaceful unconscious might not come.
I had the same experience with helium a year ago, I tried multiple times. Unfortunately I didn't lose consciousness and also felt suffocation and stress. I decided that helium wasn't pure, if so I can understand why I didn't pass out, but why I felt suffocation and stress if there is only helium and air. After your comment I started to think that problem is in method and there is no peaceful passing out. Now I doubt this method. I also had big hopes on it. Maybe I need to try more.

Does anyone have examples of successful gas suicides or maybe someone wrote that he will do gas and wasn't online anymore?

I just saw a video on YouTube where people pass out from helium balloons, but it seems that it's not working for everyone. Also I saw video with pig killed by helium, but it's difficult to say if it was peaceful or not, seems like not.


Does anyone have examples of successful gas suicides or maybe someone wrote that he will do gas and wasn't online anymore?
After some research I found three news articles about death from helium, so for some people it's working.


Also I found several articles about successful suicides by gas on Pubmed.


According to this article breathing nitrogen cause lost of consciousness at 17 to 20 seconds.

 
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Yes, you need a flowmeter---Unless you buy a MaxDog regulator from Australia($330)where the flowmeter is already built in

I couldnt find the additional flow meter for nitrogen regulator could you show me the link or photo?
im confused is it the same as the one for oxygen , etc....

the first page argon regulator work too? But the LPM is different?
 
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I couldnt find the additional flow meter for nitrogen regulator could you show me the link or photo?
im confused is it the same as the one for oxygen , etc....

the first page argon regulator work too? But the LPM is different?
Harris model 355-2 is both a regulator and flow meter in one
 
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In this video the guy say you can use just flow meter instead of regulator. And say u can measure the LPM that u need. Am i correct though?



Harris model 355-2 is both a regulator and flow meter in one
I try to look for info about the additional flow metter to add on the regular regulator but still confused thats when i found that video
 
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OMG this sounds so complicated. I wonder why people use the exit bag method, instead of inert gas with diving equipment.
 
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Anybody knows abt the oxygen sensor?
its about finding a way to test the purity of the gas
OMG this sounds so complicated. I wonder why people use the exit bag method, instead of inert gas with diving equipment.
Well at first i read the diving equipment is a better idea but then i read that the diving equipment can be dodgy. Its confusing to me too :aw:


I still havent even figuring out the bag yet. Still struggling with the regulator.
 
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Why is there no one replying here anymore?:'(
 
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I couldnt find the additional flow meter for nitrogen regulator could you show me the link or photo?
im confused is it the same as the one for oxygen , etc....

the first page argon regulator work too? But the LPM is different?
Here in the US, flowmeters are quite easy to get, it was easier than getting regulators and much easier than Nitrogen--If you're in the UK, might be different
OMG this sounds so complicated. I wonder why people use the exit bag method, instead of inert gas with diving equipment.
lol well, its really not complicated at all for anybody here in the US--It was quite easy ordering all the stuff I needed, just need to spend some money
 
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Here in the US, flowmeters are quite easy to get, it was easier than getting regulators and much easier than Nitrogen--If you're in the UK, might be different

lol well, its really not complicated at all for anybody here in the US--It was quite easy ordering all the stuff I needed, just need to spend some money
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Is it like this? This one argon though. The flowmeter for oxygen regulator also looks similar

This one is 25 LPM
The one i have 15 LPM maximum
 
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The only places I have read about pulling out "unconsciously" the bag are in forums, never in literature, and always with helium. They usually dont remember pulling off the bag, just wake up with the bag next to them. I dont believe they are lying, rather they use helium mixed with oxygen.

The sequence probably is as it follows. They lost conscious but keep alive because the O2 in the mix. They run out of helium/o2. Wake up because of co2 alarm. Pull off the bag desoriented. After some minutes they fully wake up, not knowing what happened.

The CO method is not dependent of how much oxygen is in the room but how much CO is generated with respect the size room. Hence the space must be isolated. At least you get a very high concentration of CO you will not lost conscious so fast, hence you can panick and open the doors.

In the inert gas method you lost your conscious suddenly and you will not wake up if the bag is still in place and the gas is still running. As a medical doctor, I am sure there is no such a thing as a "pull off bag" reflex. Not is mentioned such a thing in literature.

What do exists is convulsion and probably you will have it in any method but is in inert gas method that is REALLY relevant. Given you must operate the tank, the bag, AND bondage yourself the knot must be simple. There is no such a thing as a "untie knot" reflex either. Remember, you are unconscious and having a convulsion.

The goals must be (1) the chair doesnt fall, (2) you dont fall out the chair, (3) your arms never touch the bag , (4) your neck movement doesnt pull out the tube or loose the cord, (5) your head moving doesnt damage the bag with any surface (that is why you must be in a chair and not laying in bed) and (6) the tank is secured and dont fall.

The chair must be with no head support, no wheels, no spin, heavy enough so dont fall. You must be bondage in the torso so dont fall (you will lose your muscular tone like a doll and then get constractions). Constraining the wrists so they cant touch your face should be enough. Remember your head can fall, so recline and put some kitchen gloves so your nails cant scratch the bag.

I was thinking in a armchair or the copilot sea. Dont use the pilot seat as you can fall in the honk. Dont use a pc chair. Dont use a bed.

If you have read to this point you must be thinking there are much precautions to an already complex to assemble method. I think the same but they need to be done if you want to ctb sussesfully and not get severe brain damage.

It is a peacefully method? Absolutely. It is reliable, risk-free? No. It is possible to ctb even with no constraints at all but that is to leave too much to chance. Remember you are asphyxiating with a plastic bag and strange equipment, unconsciosly, all your body shaking. If the bag get damaged, the tube get off the bag or tank, you are done. If you can get N use that instead. If that is not possible, practice and take all the precautions you can.

As a personal note I am using just this method combined with phenobarbital (not N), so that would kill me if something with the inert gas go wrong.
Looks like phenobarbital is really hard to find? Where did you find that precious one?
 
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Looks like phenobarbital is really hard to find? Where did you find that precious one?
I dismissed phenobarbital because it can take up to 3 days to die. It is used as a antiepileptic drug, so you will need a script and a stash a lot of them. Not really an ideal drug.
 
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what do you think about this one for N2? It's says it as some impurity 02 10 ppm and c0 10 ppm. The normal use is for food industry.
I wonder if it's pure enough ?
 

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i read in here that nitschke use oxygen regulator for the inert gas method. Although its not good(especially cause the 15 LPM limit a user sai it should be 20 LPM, but either way even if its needed, can just replace the flowmeter to 20 LPM)

But supposedly it could work?

anyone have any thought om this?


Yeah he could be busy, but he usually replies within 24 to 48 hours

or i should just buy the regular nitrogen regulator and additional flowmeter? Or maybe argon
 
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i read in here that nitschke use oxygen regulator for the inert gas method. Although its not good(especially cause the 15 LPM limit a user sai it should be 20 LPM, but either way even if its needed, can just replace the flowmeter to 20 LPM)

But supposedly it could work?

anyone have any thought om this?




or i should just buy the regular nitrogen regulator and additional flowmeter? Or maybe argon
That's what I did
 
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That's what I did
Every regular nitrogen regulator has a connector to connct the flow meter? or i should look up in youtube to know where/how to connect it.....

Or would u or anyone mind post the picture?
:aw:
 
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Every regular nitrogen regulator has a connector to connct the flow meter? or i should look up in youtube to know where/how to connect it.....

Or would u or anyone mind post the picture?
:aw:
Yes. it'd be pretty tough to sell $70 flowmeters to people if they didn't easily fit most nitrogen regulators
 
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Yes. it'd be pretty tough to sell $70 flowmeters to people if they didn't easily fit most nitrogen regulators
So i could just by any regular nitrogen regulator and any flow meter that has 15LPM or 20 LPM? And combine them
 
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IMG 20220517 164350 this is what i can find. So the red one connected to the cylinder right?

and the green one? The flow meter?

It doesnt seem to fit with this one? Or am i missing something...:ohh:

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So i could just by any regular nitrogen regulator and any flow meter that has 15LPM or 20 LPM? And combine them
Yes--combine them--I bought three different nitrogen regulators and they all fit my big 125 cu ft Nitrogen tank---Regarding the flowmeters,the 2 $70 flowmeters fit the nitrogen regulators just fine but the cheap $30 one didn't
 
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IMG 20220517 164350
This is what i can find. So the red one connected to the cylinder right?

and the green one? The flow meter?

It doesnt seem to fit with this one? Or am i missing something...:ohh:
150947 IMG 20220515 212459
Is this right?
i try to find info on his on youtube like how do they attach it but couldnt find.

@outrider567
 

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