Venting Every method sucks, dawg

[thaelyana]

At least one point where we agree

 

[webb&flow]

No amount of planning can completely eliminate the possibility of botching. The idea that 100% of risk can be eliminated with "enough planning" is a pipe dream, a comforting delusion. If one does not care for what one may experience, it's another matter entirely.

One may constant keeps reassuring oneself that "more planning, more certainty"—but this is not how the world works. You can never totally eliminate possible possibilities. Such a level of certainty is nothing but a comfort, fallacious.

But then again, people are more interested in comforting themselves than confronting reality. I maybe can't convince you who reads this, but I think it better for any person to think on this: the truth can't be sedated away, when it comes to it. Better to reflect and admit one's own limits in one's own mind first, before one tries to negotiate with reality, utterly capitulating, and perhaps ending up in more pain than one can imagine.

Unfortunately, suicide is no guarantee. Why should you believe me? The body is incredibly complex, with multifaceted functioning, and can react to opposition in countless ways. The mind is the same, and sensation itself can turn out so many ways.

Distrust those who preach absolute certainty, there is chaos and uncertainty even in death. Whichever way you go, there is no guarantee. The same can be said for life as well. But at least for life, many ends can be sought, whereas total nullification often narrows itself, choking into hard specificity, difficult to manuever, trying to travel into a very tight point. Some people who have hung themselves report an unimaginable sensation of the entire universe downloading into their heads, you push things far beyond what can even suppose to be familiar with. You're telling me that nothing will change much if one's body and mind is pushed into such limits beyond anything experienced? That there is absolute certainty for peace and tranquility, in such an unpredictable maneuver? Death is not a song or harmony but the breaking down of it, of course the results are unpredictable. For every "peaceful" way to die envisioned, there are many ways unseen where pain, discomfort, in any form they may, may arise unattended, unintended. One cannot have the luxury of total certainty in such an affair.

And surface-level criticisms of "but this way is peaceful and secure" do not address the root nature behind the uncertainty that is inherent to the antiprocess of dying. Ironically, there is anything but secure… there is a lot to concern about, really, haha. You can't just change reality by indundating it with the same words over and over again. Euphemism cannot rewrite material reality. But words can grandly change perspective: especially when repeatedly infused, imbibed, injected, inhaled, exhaled, inhaled.

Anyway. Think about the material affects of one's suppositions on one's own mind. Think of what your methods of thinking affect into, and once this affect is understood (difficult to, results are often a touch uncertain, as manu things), one can begin to make a comparison with what another view of reality may be. Continue to contrast, compare, consider, while noting the curvature of the route one walks along, pondering what wind blows on one along these walkings, consider deeper, continue to ask questions, do not satisfy with absolute certainty, but inquire ever deeper. Inquire ever deeper. This is heart and vein. To inquire ever deeper. One must, one ought to. How else are you to taste a sense of happening of reality without such inquiry? One must be willing to look into the nature of things. And so, in greater sight, comes greater vertigo; in greater clarity, greater gravity of the chaos of all the detail. In all that texture, there is some higher, finer resolution; and when one knows what affects blow upon one's thoughts, inclinations, and knows different perspectives gazing upon what is—one can look deeper, beyond simple suppositions.

So I have no peroration or clarion note on which to close. Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the "transcendent" and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish. Picture all experts as if they were mammals. Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. Seek out argument and disputation for their own sake; the grave will supply plenty of time for silence. Suspect your own motives, and all excuses.

—Christopher Hitchens, Letters to a Young Contrarian

 

[Intoxicated]

No amount of planning can completely eliminate the possibility of botching. The idea that 100% of risk can be eliminated with "enough planning" is a pipe dream, a comforting delusion. If one does not care for what one may experience, it's another matter entirely.

I can't recall anyone telling about 100% risk elimination here. If you don't try to CTB, you aren't in safety either. People constantly get injuries in various accidents and criminal attacks. Traffic collisions, gas explosions, falling heavy objects, bites from animals and insects that transmit diseases, etc. Perfectionism in avoiding all possible dangers is nonviable; no matter what you do, you have to deal with some acceptable risks.

 

[SoLowHollow48]

So everyone talks about SN, it seems like the most liked method here cause it is painless, but the SI is still there and requires lots of preparation.

I can't think of a single method that doesn't suck in a certain way... either painful, super scary or too much planning, or all of the above.

Fuck cares of the consequence. The consequence is that you die or become a vegetable. Lmao.

 

[webb&flow]

I can't recall anyone telling about 100% risk elimination here. If you don't try to CTB, you aren't in safety either. People constantly get injuries in various accidents and criminal attacks. Traffic collisions, gas explosions, falling heavy objects, bites from animals and insects that transmit diseases, etc. Perfectionism in avoiding all possible dangers is nonviable; no matter what you do, you have to deal with some acceptable risks.

The route of not trying to die is safer than the route of trying to die, in the end. I don't think suicide is safe at all.

I agree there's no guarantee of safety in life. But there is at least freedom along with that danger: an ability to do and go where one may, an ability to journey, that suicide does not bestow.

And all those other deaths bear the freedom of being unplanned, of requiring no trouble nor hassle to painstakingly consider, ""accept"" (or at least swallow rejecting of enough to not recoil uncontrollahly), nor plan, nor execute. All those deaths are free of the worry of planning, the worry of this, the worry of that, they just happen, no worry of causation required. And maybe life is ever richer knowing one can die anytime… time made more valuable by our not knowing when we'll run out. I think so.

 

[Intoxicated]

The route of not trying to die is safer than the route of trying to die, in the end.

It depends. If you become homeless and having to live on the streets in some shithole, you can forget about even relative safety.

I don't think suicide is safe at all.

It's like a surgical operation. If the problem is serious enough, an attempt to solve it may justify the risks.

 

[peacefulforest123]

i can imagine drug overdoses to be painful and euphoric ways to go out. But getting access to drugs to overdose on is hard so glue COULD be an alternative. Ive read that sniffing glue can cause euphoria and pleasure while killing you, sounds like a cheap painless and really good way to go out, can anyone confirm and what type of glue to sniff?

i can imagine drug overdoses to be painful and euphoric ways to go out. But getting access to drugs to overdose on is hard so glue COULD be an alternative. Ive read that sniffing glue can cause euphoria and pleasure while killing you, sounds like a cheap painless and really good way to go out, can anyone confirm and what type of glue to sniff?

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[webb&flow]

It depends. If you become homeless and having to live on the streets in some shithole, you can forget about even relative safety.

There are also ways to avoid this; and even if it happens, ways to improve one's condition out of this.

It's like a surgical operation. If the problem is serious enough, an attempt to solve it may justify the risks.

Suicide is nothing like a surgery—nowhere approaching the precision or care—suicide is not even a controlled demolition, but a total one. Suicide is not surgery, but a brute force solution. There is no outcome of harmony or function à la good surgery.

i can imagine drug overdoses to be painful and euphoric ways to go out.

What we imagine is not necessarily what reality is.

 

[Intoxicated]

There are also ways to avoid this; and even id it happens, ways to improve one's condition out of this.

In theory, there are ways of becoming a billionaire, yet knowing that such ways theoretically exist and being actually able to successfully use them is not the same thing.

Suicide is nothing like a surgery—nowhere approaching the precision or care

I can assure you that when my time to CTB comes, I'll do this with surgical precision and care )

 

[webb&flow]

In theory, there are ways of becoming a billionaire, yet knowing that such ways theoretically exist and being actually able to successfully use them is not the same thing.

Avoiding homelessness is far easier than becoming a billionaire. But I agree that it's still difficult indeed, and that the struggle of it should not be understated.

I don't necessarily agree with the scale of your analogy, even if I recognize what you're getting at. But moving from deprivation to having enough to live, is a far far smaller step than anything to billions. Still, I welcome your critique and consider this point of yours quite important.

 

[oneirataxia]

It's messy and will undoubtedly suck for whoever finds your body, but I'll always pick a gun. I would honestly pick it before even Nembutal, because I don't want any kind of window in between my choice to commit suicide and my death. It's instant and painless if you use a powerful enough handgun and aim correctly. If you chicken out, you come out completely unscathed—I like that it's completely black and white like that. You either kill yourself or you don't. In case some freak accident happens where I somehow survive an intraoral gunshot via .44 Magnum, I would just leave a note on the scene in some kind of waterproof wrap or cover that declares you retarded if you even think about trying to resuscitate me and keep me alive as a vegetable.