elizabeth.luck

elizabeth.luck

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OMG dream come true!
 
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lululoo

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How do you foresee this actually being available? You would have to 3D print it and operate it yourself right? So wouldn't you have the same fears of something going wrong as you would with N?

Or are you waiting for assisted suicide to be legal?

Sorry I know there have been other threads on this but my brain is pretty useless so I forget what is exciting about this sarco thing.
 
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FTL.Wanderer

FTL.Wanderer

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How do you foresee this actually being available? You would have to 3D print it and operate it yourself right? So wouldn't you have the same fears of something going wrong as you would with N?

Or are you waiting for assisted suicide to be legal?

Sorry I know there have been other threads on this but my brain is pretty useless so I forget what is exciting about this sarco thing.


I don't know how many people (will) have their own 3D printers but I'm encouraged on a few fronts relative to other methods I've researched so far. The aesthetics of pulling a bag over my head and taping in tubing or pulling a rope around my neck or sitting in a room with an active charcoal grill ... don't appeal to me. Stepping into a large box is more appealing than any of the other methods, including drinking a bitter liquid and waiting to fall unconscious. To me. I'm also encouraged that the mechanics are being ironed out and standardized, requiring less guesswork for the user. I hope if the machine is adopted at enough centers and independent groups, experts will disseminate more reliable information. There's a lot of information already available with state and federal agencies (OSHA, AMA, APHA...) on nitrogen's "shocking" speed of action. I agree something could always go wrong. I'd still feel a lot calmer using a mechanism produced to specs than setting up a contraption myself. Over the long term, given growing popular demands for personal choice on end of life matters, this set up could become far more precise and dependable. And if the machine promotes an image of a less gruesome, more sanitized way out, it might (further) fuel popular demand that could change legislation to promote greater personal freedom.

http://www.people-press.org/2006/01/05/strong-public-support-for-right-to-die/
https://news.gallup.com/poll/211928/majority-americans-remain-supportive-euthanasia.aspx
 
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Viden

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Mar 13, 2019
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There's been a thread about using liquid N2 in a car. Because a car is sealed, would that pose a problem because the O2 would still be there?
 
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FTL.Wanderer

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There's been a thread about using liquid N2 in a car. Because a car is sealed, would that pose a problem because the O2 would still be there?

I think this is a matter of relative precision and therefore reliability. It's harder to control the partial pressures of gases in a car than in a chamber engineered to do so. The capsule also contains the gas, minimizing risks to others--harder to do in a car even with a note... The capsule promises to be a neater, more competent overall delivery mechanism.
 
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GeorgeJL

GeorgeJL

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I can't wait to see the first guinea pig to try this thing. LOL just kidding I would love to be that guinea pig. I would use this suicide machine in a heart beat once I'm ready to go.

It's like a luxury suicide experience. A far cry from how the media has portrayed it to be.

Fry Meets Bender In A Suicide Booth
 
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ArtsyDrawer

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Despite the ridicule, I believe such a device would actually increase population and life quality.
Once you have a button to end your life at any moment, the amount of fucks you have to give drops by such magnitudes Watson itself would not be able to comprehend!
After the initial stage of whiny emos (I'm taking a pause to inform you I struggled with autocorrect and its desperate need to put "emus" instead of "emos". The Great Emu War must never repeat!) clogging locations, once selfie shenanigans die out, people will start actually living!
"Cancer? Fuck cancer, I have this nifty thing that'll end cancer (and myself, but I digress) in mere minutes!"
"LIS? Blink three times, Timmy, and you're good to go!"
But how does it INCREASE life quality and length if people are dropping like flies left and right?
"Eh, I could always go tomorrow."
This is a sort of luxurious suicide.
As luxurious as those sleep pod things are, at any rate.

Once this thing becomes normal, people will learn to postpone their bus ride if only to care for some minor random shit they have going on.
And then postpone again, as more minor shit keeps popping up.
With this thing, Timmy, a particularly unfortunate child who has been stricken with LIS can always blink his way into this thing and blink aggressively at a nurse until she pushes the button.
Cancer patients can declare "fuck everything!" and go on a wild trip, doing a massive detour before reaching the station and presenting their ticket.
With the massively dropping amount of fucks to give, people would gladly drone their lives away knowing that one day they can just press a button and die in their sleep. No needles, no dealing with Mexican N cartels, no bullshit.

Of course, as with any grandiose, world flipping thing, there will be politicians who would try to stick their rivals into these things. Certainly, this is troubling. Some things would have to be streamlined to prevent a second Holocaust. The end result, however, would be a great world similar to a MMORPG: once you're sufficiently harassed, you can just log off.
As a bonus, equality laws will rise to a new level as bullying and harassment will have new reprecussions.

On the negative side, I don't see it becoming a thing. Not in the US. It's too convenient.
 
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Jayxtri

Jayxtri

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Mar 6, 2019
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It's basically Nitrogen method, just more improved so that it looks more dignified than a plastic over your head.
 
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FTL.Wanderer

FTL.Wanderer

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It's basically Nitrogen method, just more improved so that it looks more dignified than a plastic over your head.


With respect, the devil is in the details. Few people will pay for a cooked blob of eggs, butter, sugar, milk, and ground grains, but mix them artfully into a pastry and they'll scarf it down. I'm very familiar with the nitrogen method. And this to me is orders of magnitude in refinement.
On the negative side, I don't see it becoming a thing. Not in the US. It's too convenient.

I agree that having the means to get the hell out of Dodge makes a lot of things less critical. And that interest groups will try to keep this technology out of the US as long as possible.
 
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ArtsyDrawer

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With respect, the devil is in the details. Few people will pay for a cooked blob of eggs, butter, sugar, milk, and ground grains, but mix them artfully into a pastry and they'll scarf it down. I'm very familiar with the nitrogen method. And this to me is orders of magnitude in refinement.

I'm picturing a D&D style sentient pastry blob attacking a hobo now. lol
 
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Mort

Mort

No use to know one
Feb 15, 2019
622
I can't wait to see the first guinea pig to try this thing. LOL just kidding I would love to be that guinea pig. I would use this suicide machine in a heart beat once I'm ready to go.

It's like a luxury suicide experience. A far cry from how the media has portrayed it to be.

Fry Meets Bender In A Suicide Booth

I all ways like after you use it it prints out a recite LOL :)
 
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TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
6,797
They couldn't come sooner, I wished it would be fully operational before 2020, but alas, not likely... At any rate, I'm happy with the progress that technology and science in terms of this machine and even if it isn't here in a decade, maybe it'll be ready by the time I'm of old age (when I turn 50 or 60) if I haven't ctb'ed by then.
 
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Jodes

Jodes

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Nov 23, 2018
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I don't know how many people (will) have their own 3D printers but I'm encouraged on a few fronts relative to other methods I've researched so far. The aesthetics of pulling a bag over my head and taping in tubing or pulling a rope around my neck or sitting in a room with an active charcoal grill ... don't appeal to me. Stepping into a large box is more appealing than any of the other methods, including drinking a bitter liquid and waiting to fall unconscious. To me. I'm also encouraged that the mechanics are being ironed out and standardized, requiring less guesswork for the user. I hope if the machine is adopted at enough centers and independent groups, experts will disseminate more reliable information. There's a lot of information already available with state and federal agencies (OSHA, AMA, APHA...) on nitrogen's "shocking" speed of action. I agree something could always go wrong. I'd still feel a lot calmer using a mechanism produced to specs than setting up a contraption myself. Over the long term, given growing popular demands for personal choice on end of life matters, this set up could become far more precise and dependable. And if the machine promotes an image of a less gruesome, more sanitized way out, it might (further) fuel popular demand that could change legislation to promote greater personal freedom.

http://www.people-press.org/2006/01/05/strong-public-support-for-right-to-die/
https://news.gallup.com/poll/211928/majority-americans-remain-supportive-euthanasia.aspx
Technically, every moving part increases the chance of failure. It's something I heard in a documentary that NASA are acutely aware of the millions of parts and the implications for missions, purely using complexity as a guide for success. I think using tried and trusted accounts probably factors in too. Besides it smells like a cold money making exercise, tho I can't work out how. Either that or it's just bonkers
 
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