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Berlin76

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I am in the process for euthanasia ow in holland.

The whole report was wrong.
She was to young to get euthanasia so she stopped eating.

But still after what she went through still think they should have helped her.
But it is hard to get euthanasia for mental health issues.

More then 50% gets rejected on application and also in the process around 50%wont get it.
So I am in a bit shit situation getting 50/50 chance
 
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ArtVandelay

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indeed after not eating and drinking anymore for about 3-weeks her doctor gave her a medicine to die because it was so much suffering

Wait, where did you read that?
 
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Santiago

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Wait, where did you read that?

I hope that's not the case for the doctor their sake because that is illegal assisted suicide.

That article states the doctor just agreed to not force her to eat which is different. Pretty confident she didn't get any type of medicine if I read some of the Dutch reports. She just died after starving herself.
 
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ArtVandelay

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The first reports where just media who were to greedy to do good research.

I thought those first reports stated that she was euthanized at the end of life clinic, not that her doctor gave her medicine to kill herself after she stopped eating for 3 weeks.

Also, those false first reports were all corrected several months ago.
 
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Berlin76

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I thought those first reports stated that she was euthanized at the end of life clinic, not that her doctor gave her medicine to kill herself after she stopped eating for 3 weeks.

Also, those false first reports were all corrected several months ago.


they rejected her because she is to young, till you are 25 your brain grows and also your personality etc.
thats why the euthanesia clinic rejected her request way early before this happend.

the clinnic did not have anything to do with it

just read my tread on euthanesia you can see how it goes
I am in the process of euthanesia myself

also It is not a clinic,.
it is a office from where they work and they visit people at home.
like they do with me now
I'm Dutch. It's not that easy. Maybe 0,5% of the people here on SS would make a change - MAYBE. They make it sound quite easy, but it really isn't. It's legal, but almost impossible.

euthanesia is not legal, they need to follow the law or else it is murder.
its held by laws and by following procedure they are not held as a criminal.
so thats why when it goes wrong with the steps and boxes they need to check they get procsecuted
 
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her personal
doctor helped her for harm reduction after weeks and immense physical suffering
many laws are there to show in the TV news that the politicians did something but it's not needed to help the citizens, just needed to sell a story Twitter TV etc.


QUOTE="Berlin76, post: 496924, member: 9957"]
I am in the process for euthanasia ow in holland.

The whole report was wrong.
She was to young to get euthanasia so she stopped eating.

But still after what she went through still think they should have helped her.
But it is hard to get euthanasia for mental health issues.

More then 50% gets rejected on application and also in the process around 50%wont get it.
So I am in a bit shit situation getting 50/50 chance
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Santiago

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Mar 25, 2018
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her personal
doctor helped her for harm reduction after weeks and immense physical suffering
many laws are there to show in the TV news that the politicians did something but it's not needed to help the citizens, just needed to sell a story Twitter TV etc.


QUOTE="Berlin76, post: 496924, member: 9957"]
I am in the process for euthanasia ow in holland.

The whole report was wrong.
She was to young to get euthanasia so she stopped eating.

But still after what she went through still think they should have helped her.
But it is hard to get euthanasia for mental health issues.

More then 50% gets rejected on application and also in the process around 50%wont get it.
So I am in a bit shit situation getting 50/50 chance


This is false. Those laws are very much real and will be followed in every single application.
 
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Berlin76

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her personal
doctor helped her for harm reduction after weeks and immense physical suffering
many laws are there to show in the TV news that the politicians did something but it's not needed to help the citizens, just needed to sell a story Twitter TV etc.


QUOTE="Berlin76, post: 496924, member: 9957"]
I am in the process for euthanasia ow in holland.

The whole report was wrong.
She was to young to get euthanasia so she stopped eating.

But still after what she went through still think they should have helped her.
But it is hard to get euthanasia for mental health issues.

More then 50% gets rejected on application and also in the process around 50%wont get it.
So I am in a bit shit situation getting 50/50 chance
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Yeah like i said it was greedy media
 
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Berlin76

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What do you think the media should have done to handle it in a non-greedy way?

Well they should of have done better research instead of publishing without knowing all the facts.
Because even the parents got way more attention on them then was wanted.
 
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ArtVandelay

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Well they should of have done better research instead of publishing without knowing all the facts.
Because even the parents got way more attention on them then was wanted.

What kind of research? It's not always easy to research a story that happened in a different country or continent. I think most online news stories these days are just copied from other news outlets. They all trust one another as credible sources. I would put the blame on the first news agency that published the false story, not necessarily the entire media as a whole.
 
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Berlin76

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What kind of research? It's not always easy to research a story that happened in a different country or continent. I think most online news stories these days are just copied from other news outlets. They all trust one another as credible sources. I would put the blame on the first news agency that published the false story, not necessarily the entire media as a whole.

The clinic has a special department for journalists. Easy as that.
Just like the regional exam commission they also have a special part of the website for reporter's and journalists
 
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ArtVandelay

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The clinic has a special department for journalists. Easy as that.
Just like the regional exam commission they also have a special part of the website for reporter's and journalists

Fair enough. I still think it's rather harsh to blanket label the entire media industry as "greedy". They had sources, but their sources turned out to be false, and they edited their articles accordingly. These people are humans too.
 
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Berlin76

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Fair enough. I still think it's rather harsh to blanket label the entire media industry as "greedy". They had sources, but their sources turned out to be false, and they edited their articles accordingly. These people are humans too.

Their whole study before starting the job is about how to do research. This was just lazy and wanting to be first at posting the article.
 
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ArtVandelay

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Their whole study before starting the job is about how to do research. This was just lazy and wanting to be first at posting the article.

What you learn in school is very different from what your bosses require of you in the real world though. If the journalists can't post stories very soon after other news outlets report them, they will be fired. Of course it's a flawed industry, but I wouldn't blame it on the individual journalists for trying to keep their jobs.
 
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I'm Dutch. It's not that easy. Maybe 0,5% of the people here on SS would make a change - MAYBE. They make it sound quite easy, but it really isn't. It's legal, but almost impossible.
I know it is frustrating but would it not help everyone if as many as possible try to apply ?
Wait, where did you read that?
Did she not also get morphine while she was starving ? I know it is stupid to leave that piece of info out of the article but I think it was medically supervised starving the whole 3 weeks.
What you learn in school is very different from what your bosses require of you in the real world though. If the journalists can't post stories very soon after other news outlets report them, they will be fired. Of course it's a flawed industry, but I wouldn't blame it on the individual journalists for trying to keep their jobs.
It's harsh but I do not like people hiding behind their need for a job when the whole world is going broke with corruption and capitalism and the consequence is global warming and overpopulation. And armed conflicts everywhere, everyone wants to be a drug dealer and cartells are everywhere and poverty and even starvation and drought and no access to clean water, food insecurity, rape and other forms of sexual assault against vulnerables etc etc. stuff that should have disappeared decades ago when we look at the expectation of the average citizen for improvement of the situation of the planet.
Guys lets stay real. The woman was raped multiple times as a child (!!!!!!!! in this day and age, and NOT in a third world country, like when did we say the middle ages are over, and we have eradicated most diseases such as toxic masculinity "disorder") She did not have to hide her suicidal desires. but was ALLOWED to starve herself to death. And was helped along a little bit because this can take 6 or more months if you look at extreme survival cases. Apparently she was anorexic so that is another factoid that helps understand the situation (extremely problematic body image of herself). The other truth in the article is that she is actually dead or does anyone dispute that ? That sets a precedent. Lets not forget just last month in Quebec 2 persons were allowed to die with medical assistance, who were not terminally ill. https://montrealgazette.com/news/qu...alidates-some-requirements-for-assisted-death. Dying with Dignity Canada is asking their membership to send petitions to the justice and health ministers. Let us not forget that many people receive medical assistance to die when it is illegal because of the empathy of certain individuals who feel called upon to end suffering and risk to be taken to court. We are not alone any more. All over the world the tipping point is getting closer. Take a look around and see if you cannot become more vocal about your needs, write petitions to change the laws etc. That is what I am doing right now while I am not as totally suicidal as I was a couple of months ago when I joined here.

Yeah like i said it was greedy media
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Keep all of us posted Berlin76, is it possible to reapply when rejected ? :smiling:
The article was surprisingly less slanderous than I expected from a Fox News article about euthanasia. Now I know why. Leave it up to them to get a story completely wrong just to push their own agenda.
Wasn't completely wrong. She applied, she was raped as a kid several times (90 percent of the world's sexual assault on women goes unreported and only a very small percentage of perpetrators get prison sentences. In India a woman who wanted to testify in court about her rape was killed by being set on fire, died of her injuries. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50697139. There are almost 100 rapes per day in India alone. This is why I as a woman do not find it altogether entertaining to live on this planet...I might be next. I can see why people are suicidal after sexual assault. I actually do not know how you can NOT be suicidal after sexual assault.) The dutch girl, her name is Noa Pothoven, 17 years old. she must have been in therapy a few years, it did not work, she was allowed to die. She is dead. https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-45117163 This article is about Aurelia Brouwers (29) Dutch, also allowed to die, she was given poison to drink.
 
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If the trauma that has been caused to you has been so great like in the case that OP mentioned it seems rather "easy" because people would be more understanding if said person dosent want to live anymore
Im from belgium