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Is anyone here because of drug or alcohol abuse? My addiction to meth and Xanax fucked my head up in such a way I've lived in a state of constant anxiety for over a year now. I can barely leave the house, eat, sleep. I have few friends left and the couple I do have barely want to talk to me I'm such a bummer. My career is close to being over and then...everything will really fall apart. I wish to god I'd stopped using sooner but after eleven years, it finally caught up with me. I always knew it could ruin my life but I never imagined in this way. Can anyone else here relate?
 
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I'd really love to know how much Xanax you used when you abused it.

We'll see if you're a bigger lifetime consumer of Xanax than myself -- I doubt it. I started on benzos in 2000 and from 2003 - 2012 my prescribed dose of Xanax was 10 mg/day. It never really worked. I finally ended Xanax use in 2017. I live in a constant state of anxiety because benzos are fucking useless and the medical community has nothing to offer to someone who doesn't respond to benzos.
 
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I'd really love to know how much Xanax you used when you abused it.

We'll see if you're a bigger lifetime consumer of Xanax than myself -- I doubt it. I started on benzos in 2000 and from 2003 - 2012 my prescribed dose of Xanax was 10 mg/day. It never really worked. I finally ended Xanax use in 2017. I live in a constant state of anxiety because benzos are fucking useless and the medical community has nothing to offer to someone who doesn't respond to benzos.
Maybe barbiturates can help you if benzos can't.
 
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Maybe barbiturates can help you if benzos can't.
Barbs are exactly what I want, unfortunately they're impossible to get. If barbs were still prescribed we wouldn't have to get Nembutal for a Mexican veterinarian.
 
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Barbs are exactly what I want, unfortunately they're impossible to get. If barbs were still prescribed we wouldn't have to get Nembutal for a Mexican veterinarian.
If you got prescribed 10mg of xanax a day I think you can also get prescription for phenobarbital.
 
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I've asked for phenobarbital -- from multiple psychiatrists over the years -- and I got a HELL NO! The doc who was happy to give 10mg of Xanax actually sent me printouts of online information about barb abuse in the 1970s. I have no idea what I'm supposed to do with info on what the slang term for Seconal was in 1975.
 
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I've been addicted to both, but not both at the same time. That must be hell trying to get off of. My first question would be did you quit the Xanax cold turkey? That is a medically dangerous situation where you could actually have seizures, develop psychosis, and your anxiety will go through the roof. You need to a proper taper under the care of a doctor. It can be any doctor, it doesn't have to be be a psychiatrist. To help you understand what the Xanax, which is a short-acting benzodiazepine, does to your mind and body, you should be able to consult The Ashton Manual. It is the gold standard for proper withdrawal after long-term use of these medications. She goes into how to properly taper from these medications. I hope you have an understanding doctor and you can show this to them. Most of them are unaware of how carefully someone needs to cut back. I think her schedules are a little too drawn out, but again, your best bet is to work with a doctor. It's even better than detox and rehab. They take you off on the schedule your insurance pays for, not by what's best for you. This is a lot of info to take in, but it might help you to focus on something. There's also an online support group called benzo buddies that support each other through tapering.



I don't know what your exact situation is, but I was addicted to meth full-on hard when I was young for about 8 years, so that part I can relate. It's not a danger to yourself to just stop that, in fact speed is difficult to ween yourself from. It always put my brain into more mode. But I did feel depressed and like I couldn't face life for a good year after I stopped. There is some weak evidence that Wellbutrin can help with meth withdrawals, but there's a high risk for seizures. Since you're withdrawing from Xanax, it's probably not worth it. I would say you could go to NA/AA for support, but it's finally coming out into the light that this approach does not work for everyone. Plus if you have to ween yourself from the Xanax, you can't count that time as "clean" and you may even be harassed about it if you tell people.

Is your career in complete danger of falling apart? Is there any way to hold on to it, especially if you have insurance? I really would hate to advocate for you to talk to them about your addiction, but a lot of places now actually have policies in place that they will help any worker who reveals they have a substance abuse problem and then give them a second chance. Unless you really hate what you do, it may be worth a try. You will need to go to some kind of rehab though; I would suggest outpatient with an outside doctor managing the Xanax withdrawal.

Finally, I'm sending you TONS of hugs. :hug: Both of those withdrawals are nightmares; I can't imagine doing both at once. If you're prescribed the Xanax by a doctor you may want to stabilize yourself from the meth withdrawal before attempting the Xanax withdrawal. You'll be likely to sleep through a lot of it.

Disclaimer: These are suggestions, and we are a pro-choice group. That means all options remain open and no one should be preaching to you to think positive and soldier through whatever. Also, if you're abusing drugs, that generally means something else is wrong, and that may need to be dealt with in therapy. That's a maybe, but it's true for most people.

I hope this wasn't too much; I can just really feel for you and I have a place in my heart for anyone going through withdrawal. You can always PM me for extra support whenever you need it. I did have a lot of good years when I was younger and quit drugs. I ended up having bipolar, but even that was manageable for awhile. Good luck and you're accepted here regardless of what you choose.
 
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I'd really love to know how much Xanax you used when you abused it.

We'll see if you're a bigger lifetime consumer of Xanax than myself -- I doubt it. I started on benzos in 2000 and from 2003 - 2012 my prescribed dose of Xanax was 10 mg/day. It never really worked. I finally ended Xanax use in 2017. I live in a constant state of anxiety because benzos are fucking useless and the medical community has nothing to offer to someone who doesn't respond to benzos.
Holy fucking shit. 10mg/day... Dude, no fucking decent doctor would let anyone get their hands on that much Xanax...
 
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Prof. C. Heather Ashton is the high priestess of benzo-bashing and she has made it her life's mission to ensure that people who actually need benzos don't get them. She's convinced UK docs that benzos should NEVER be given for more than 4 weeks -- which is odd since anxiety disorders can last for many decades. Oh, I know, nobody could possibly need a benzo longer than 4 weeks because by then their magical SSRI will kick in and make everything better. Yeah, right. We know how every anxiety patient much prefers SSRIs over benzos, since everyone loves anorgasmia & lack of sex drive, don't they?

Is it possible that Ashton, working exclusively with benzo addicts, is a tad biased? The only patients she is ever going to see are those who have the most extreme problems with benzos. This would be like asking long-time AA members if alcohol is bad -- they might well think that's it's pure evil after spending decades in AA meetings hearing countless tales of how lives were totally destroyed by booze. AA never sees moderate drinkers who have no problems just like Ashton has never met an anxiety patient who had no problems with benzos.
 
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I wonder why addiction isn't discussed more in this forum. It seems to be a major contributor to suicidality. I consume cocaine and I think it's safe to say that I'm dependent in some way. I started back in 2018 and the breaks between trips got shorter and shorter, which definitely is the reason for my downfall. I'm trying to take a break right now but it's constantly on my mind and I'm not sure how I would ever get rid of this again. Just staying away for 2 weeks was a challenge already. It's really difficult to distract yourself if you have nothing to do all day. I think it might be easier if you have a scheduled, busy life. But I don't have that.
 
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TimeToDie

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I wonder why addiction isn't discussed more in this forum. It seems to be a major contributor to suicidality.
Does drug abuse lead to suicide? Or do all sorts of problems lead to drug use as a coping mechanism and those same problems also happen to lead to suicide?
 
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Does drug abuse lead to suicide? Or do all sorts of problems lead to drug use as a coping mechanism and those same problems also happen to lead to suicide?

That's a good question. I think you're right, it seems like problems which lead to drug addiction are the reasons why people commit suicide. It doesn't seem like the drug itself leads to suicide but apparently drug abuse increases the likelihood of someone to commit suicide. And considering how many people in this forum describe how drug use/abuse 'ruined' their life, that makes totally sense.
 
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I've been addicted to both, but not both at the same time. That must be hell trying to get off of. My first question would be did you quit the Xanax cold turkey? That is a medically dangerous situation where you could actually have seizures, develop psychosis, and your anxiety will go through the roof. You need to a proper taper under the care of a doctor. It can be any doctor, it doesn't have to be be a psychiatrist. To help you understand what the Xanax, which is a short-acting benzodiazepine, does to your mind and body, you should be able to consult The Ashton Manual. It is the gold standard for proper withdrawal after long-term use of these medications. She goes into how to properly taper from these medications. I hope you have an understanding doctor and you can show this to them. Most of them are unaware of how carefully someone needs to cut back. I think her schedules are a little too drawn out, but again, your best bet is to work with a doctor. It's even better than detox and rehab. They take you off on the schedule your insurance pays for, not by what's best for you. This is a lot of info to take in, but it might help you to focus on something. There's also an online support group called benzo buddies that support each other through tapering.



I don't know what your exact situation is, but I was addicted to meth full-on hard when I was young for about 8 years, so that part I can relate. It's not a danger to yourself to just stop that, in fact speed is difficult to ween yourself from. It always put my brain into more mode. But I did feel depressed and like I couldn't face life for a good year after I stopped. There is some weak evidence that Wellbutrin can help with meth withdrawals, but there's a high risk for seizures. Since you're withdrawing from Xanax, it's probably not worth it. I would say you could go to NA/AA for support, but it's finally coming out into the light that this approach does not work for everyone. Plus if you have to ween yourself from the Xanax, you can't count that time as "clean" and you may even be harassed about it if you tell people.

Is your career in complete danger of falling apart? Is there any way to hold on to it, especially if you have insurance? I really would hate to advocate for you to talk to them about your addiction, but a lot of places now actually have policies in place that they will help any worker who reveals they have a substance abuse problem and then give them a second chance. Unless you really hate what you do, it may be worth a try. You will need to go to some kind of rehab though; I would suggest outpatient with an outside doctor managing the Xanax withdrawal.

Finally, I'm sending you TONS of hugs. :hug: Both of those withdrawals are nightmares; I can't imagine doing both at once. If you're prescribed the Xanax by a doctor you may want to stabilize yourself from the meth withdrawal before attempting the Xanax withdrawal. You'll be likely to sleep through a lot of it.

Disclaimer: These are suggestions, and we are a pro-choice group. That means all options remain open and no one should be preaching to you to think positive and soldier through whatever. Also, if you're abusing drugs, that generally means something else is wrong, and that may need to be dealt with in therapy. That's a maybe, but it's true for most people.

I hope this wasn't too much; I can just really feel for you and I have a place in my heart for anyone going through withdrawal. You can always PM me for extra support whenever you need it. I did have a lot of good years when I was younger and quit drugs. I ended up having bipolar, but even that was manageable for awhile. Good luck and you're accepted here regardless of what you choose.
Thank you so much. I did go to a detox/rehab and was taken off it pretty quick. I've relapsed a couple of times on it and after my anxiety is even worse than usual. Meth I tried again just for a few hours after my attempt to ctb but otherwise my last binge was last October. But everything started for me after a binge in May 2018. I lost any ability to feel pleasure and I started feeling a lot of anxiety. It's only gotten worse. I wish I could say things are going to work out but I can't function like this. I can barely leave my house, talk to anyone, do...anything.
 
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I wonder why addiction isn't discussed more in this forum. It seems to be a major contributor to suicidality. I consume cocaine and I think it's safe to say that I'm dependent in some way. I started back in 2018 and the breaks between trips got shorter and shorter, which definitely is the reason for my downfall. I'm trying to take a break right now but it's constantly on my mind and I'm not sure how I would ever get rid of this again. Just staying away for 2 weeks was a challenge already. It's really difficult to distract yourself if you have nothing to do all day. I think it might be easier if you have a scheduled, busy life. But I don't have that.
I bet its because the outcomes are far worse and all that people have on their minds. Especially when those things are pushing people to suicide.
 
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Thank you so much. I did go to a detox/rehab and was taken off it pretty quick. I've relapsed a couple of times on it and after my anxiety is even worse than usual. Meth I tried again just for a few hours after my attempt to ctb but otherwise my last binge was last October. But everything started for me after a binge in May 2018. I lost any ability to feel pleasure and I started feeling a lot of anxiety. It's only gotten worse. I wish I could say things are going to work out but I can't function like this. I can barely leave my house, talk to anyone, do...anything.
Yeah, you definitely got benzo blues. & the Meth makes it worse. I had to go on a long acting benzo, Valium ( you kinda have to understand half-lives and how they effect the benzo experience.) which didn't get me high, but kept me from seizing and having panic attacks. I think I started right around where you would have been at 40 mgs and I think I tapered by like 5 grams every 2 weeks? I forget, it wasn't as drawn out as Dr. Ashton would recommend, but I did it with my primary and we went slowly. My psychiatrist was too much of a dick to help me with it. I know it's hard to leave the house feeling like you do, and it would be hard to find someone willing to do that with you now that you've been off. But that's a good bit of why you feel so awful. Damn, man, I feel for you and totally get why you're here. I used to get better when I was clean when I was younger, but the last 10 years have almost always always been shit using or not. You might want to check out a different perspective on drug abuse. I PM'd a clip to you.
 
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If I could get a precription for Seconal, ay. Barbiturates are unfortunately frowned upon these days, which sucks because they do work.
 
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If I could get a precription for Seconal, ay. Barbiturates are unfortunately frowned upon these days, which sucks because they do work.
You can only get phenobarbitals which suck imho. You can also get butalbital as a migraine medicine, but even that is hard to get. Plus they add Tylenol & caffeine. If you were determined, I'm sure you could extract the barbiturate part. 4 of them feel pretty good, but you have to be careful because of the Tylenol.

Here's my dream drug: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexamyl
Prof. C. Heather Ashton is the high priestess of benzo-bashing and she has made it her life's mission to ensure that people who actually need benzos don't get them. She's convinced UK docs that benzos should NEVER be given for more than 4 weeks -- which is odd since anxiety disorders can last for many decades. Oh, I know, nobody could possibly need a benzo longer than 4 weeks because by then their magical SSRI will kick in and make everything better. Yeah, right. We know how every anxiety patient much prefers SSRIs over benzos, since everyone loves anorgasmia & lack of sex drive, don't they?

Is it possible that Ashton, working exclusively with benzo addicts, is a tad biased? The only patients she is ever going to see are those who have the most extreme problems with benzos. This would be like asking long-time AA members if alcohol is bad -- they might well think that's it's pure evil after spending decades in AA meetings hearing countless tales of how lives were totally destroyed by booze. AA never sees moderate drinkers who have no problems just like Ashton has never met an anxiety patient who had no problems with benzos.
High priestess, indeed. I missed this earlier. Dude, that's hilarious. She is revered even by sworn in and reveling drug addicts. I learned about her through them, not a doctor. My doctor didn't even know about her. I thought she was really clear that patients shouldn't be taken off against their wills? I think she says that herself in her own writing, but maybe that was an earlier version of the handbook.

I would never say someone shouldn't be on them as a blanket statement. I was just saying after being on them on a long time it's not safe to just drop off. A lot of people I know IRL & have chatted with online agree they lose effectiveness for sleep pretty quickly. But I think they remain effective for anxiety much longer. But yeah, I see benzo hysteria coming as the next US DEA drug of interest, spreading like a cancer into the world.
 
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I was aware that drug had existed. Other drugs (both current & historical) that I wish I could try include GHB, ketamine, and Quaaludes.

High priestess, indeed. I missed this earlier. Dude, that's hilarious. She is revered even by sworn in and reveling drug addicts. I learned about her through them, not a doctor.But I think they remain effective for anxiety much longer. But yeah, I see benzo hysteria coming as the next US DEA drug of interest, spreading like a cancer into the world.

Yes, it's well-known that benzos typically lose effectiveness as a sleep aid after a couple of weeks. Though even then there are exceptions, as you can find elderly folks who've been taking taking their Valium every night since the Nixon administration and they still report sleeping well.

I've been aware of Ashton for more than a decade and I've read her arguments against benzos, which actually included the risk that they could cause blindness. How? Well, she pointed to a case where some jackass dissolved some benzo and injected it into his eye. This caused an infection which resulted in blindness. I don't think banning benzos will help somebody that stupid.
 
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I've asked for phenobarbital -- from multiple psychiatrists over the years -- and I got a HELL NO! The doc who was happy to give 10mg of Xanax actually sent me printouts of online information about barb abuse in the 1970s. I have no idea what I'm supposed to do with info on what the slang term for Seconal was in 1975.

Doctors and esp psychiatrists are basically as full of crap as the day is long. You think there main objective
after your well being - NO. But mainly to be as profitable for themselves with as little effort and bother as possible.
Never go to them for advice and always be your own doctor as much so as possible. They will give any lopsided
flimsy excuse for anything at the moment they find convenient rather than say the true that they are too lazy,inept
,etc. to really look into what you want or pay any attention to you.

That having been said does anyone know of a reliable, no rip-off, no prescrip required for eszopiclone, zolpidem, or eszopiclone ?
Does drug abuse lead to suicide? Or do all sorts of problems lead to drug use as a coping mechanism and those same problems also happen to lead to suicide?
No - not the drugs but it's the personality etc. of the person(s) themselves.
 
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Doctors and esp psychiatrists are basically as full of crap as the day is long. You think there main objective
after your well being - NO. But mainly to be as profitable for themselves with as little effort and bother as possible.

It's pretty easy to be a psychiatrist. Example: a guy recently posted about how he was feeling nervous & he also believed that he had ADHD. He said that he was going to see a psychiatrist very soon. Anybody with any knowledge of psych meds could easily have predicted what prescriptions he was likely to get. An SSRI for the anxiety was an obvious choice. There are 7 to choose from -- and we could have thrown a dart at a list of them to randomly select just as any doc would do. As for the ADHD we all know that stimulants are the most common treatment for that, with Adderall being the most common of the bunch. What did he actually got: Lexapro & Adderall. Gee, I could have predicted that and I never went to medical school. Now it's possible that an MD might get really "creative" and go with an SNRI instead of an SSRI, and she might have picked Ritalin instead of Adderall, but that's still substantially similar.

And if you give your doc a list of dozens of meds that have failed -- like I did -- then she'll tell you to get some workbook from Amazon. Do I need a prescription from a highly trained medical professional to buy a book?

RE: benzos failing as sleep aids after a couple weeks -- this isn't necessarily a problem. In fact, it's great for everyone with anxiety or panic who needs to take them while staying awake & functional. It would suck if every time you had a panic attack you ended up having to sleep for the rest of the day.
 

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