Method Does the dark web have anything useful on it?

[slapntickle]

This evening I spent a good while looking through some of the biggest and most active dark web marketplaces for anything that might be of interest, but found very little. I saw some 30mg phenobarbital pills which seemed like they were legit but I gather one would need a huge amount to be of any effect? I read about the 5 pill combo (In the PPH 25) - does anyone know if they're all available on the DW? It doesn't help that the search functions on the marketplaces universally do not work, so one has to trawl through pages and pages of RX meds.

 

[trashisland]

I think it depends on what you're looking for. most wont even allow fentanyl to be sold bc it's bad for business, but ive managed to find SN on one. I think if you're looking for fatal drugs it's going to be very difficult. most vendors are just people selling for money and they want repeat customers, it would be hard to make profit if theyre killing their customers lol

 

[LastNite]

on what market did you find that?

I think it depends on what you're looking for. most wont even allow fentanyl to be sold bc it's bad for business, but ive managed to find SN on one. I think if you're looking for fatal drugs it's going to be very difficult. most vendors are just people selling for money and they want repeat customers, it would be hard to make profit if theyre killing their customers lol

They wont allow sale of fentanyl cuz theyre dumbasses in their 20s running a drug market lol. The whole thing around fentanyl sale bringing law enforcement attention sky rocketed after Archetyp which allowed fentanyl had gotten seized by the FBI. The FBI and other law enforcement agencies do not give a single shit about you selling or allowing fentanyl. They've seized multiple drug markets before which had no fentanyl sale. Sometimes even weed dealers. To them drugs are drugs.

 

[orbwithinorb]

This evening I spent a good while looking through some of the biggest and most active dark web marketplaces for anything that might be of interest, but found very little. I saw some 30mg phenobarbital pills which seemed like they were legit but I gather one would need a huge amount to be of any effect? I read about the 5 pill combo (In the PPH 25) - does anyone know if they're all available on the DW? It doesn't help that the search functions on the marketplaces universally do not work, so one has to trawl through pages and pages of RX meds.

Which country is the phenobarbital manufactured in? Apparently the Indian brand has a good chance of being fake. Phenobarbital at 15-20gs should be lethal though.

 

[trashisland]

on what market did you find that?

They wont allow sale of fentanyl cuz theyre dumbasses in their 20s running a drug market lol. The whole thing around fentanyl sale bringing law enforcement attention sky rocketed after Archetyp which allowed fentanyl had gotten seized by the FBI. The FBI and other law enforcement agencies do not give a single shit about you selling or allowing fentanyl. They've seized multiple drug markets before which had no fentanyl sale. Sometimes even weed dealers. To them drugs are drugs.

the market was DH. I get what you mean abt the fentanyl, but I mean people over there like to pretend they have some kind of morals around fentanyl so they dont allow it to be sold. at least on the markets ive seen anyway

 

[Kitsuné_]

You can get some things DH has a SN source, also metro and things like that.

Meto in DH? Demn ive searched for it but didnt find it

If it wasnt because the source of SN is US and im EU, i think i would try

 

[LastNite]

Meto in DH? Demn ive searched for it but didnt find it

If it wasnt because the source of SN is US and im EU, i think i would try

Im very sure you'd find it on DM if not on DH that market has a lot of Indian vendors selling prescriptions.

 

[Crescendo]

anything that might be of interest, but found very little.

if you're looking for fatal drugs it's going to be very difficult.

I personally haven't checked, but I would imagine these markets sell H do they not? Have you considered it as an option? There are plenty of cases of fatal overdose on H; it's not like F is the only reliable opioid. Surely H is more reliable than something with fewer documented cases like Phenobarbital.

 

[trashisland]

I personally haven't checked, but I would imagine these markets sell H do they not? Have you considered it as an option? There are plenty of cases of fatal overdose on H; it's not like F is the only reliable opioid. Surely H is more reliable than something with fewer documented cases like Phenobarbital.

yes most have H. me personally id try to stay away from drugs just because its so easy for me to back out but there are a lot of listings for H on there, so there is that option available

 

[slapntickle]

Which country is the phenobarbital manufactured in? Apparently the Indian brand has a good chance of being fake. Phenobarbital at 15-20gs should be lethal though.

Yeah it was an Indian seller. They had good reviews but the chances of them being fake are high, they had hundreds of different RX meds all listed… but in any case, the amount of 30mg pills to get to 15g of phenobarbital makes it financially (and physically) impossible to ingest enough so I don't think it's a route worth exploring.

 

[OzymandiAsh]

It's pretty tricky and complex to get stuff off the dark web.

Have a look at this thread and the dark net Bible (on tor.taxi) for more info

How to Access Dark Net Markets For CTB Resources

I can't get it to work, have downloaded VPN from proton, and tor app for android, I don't get how you access the darknet, I don't get anywhere 😭 I have a PC so will try on that but as a 50+ not so tech savvy lady I feel so lost. Same. I downloaded tor and that’s it. Idk how to get monero or how...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[Pale_Rider]

Onion domains. :) haven't did that in a while. Good read.

A lot of H is cut with fentayl amoung other things. The fentanyl warning is because F was being put in everything. Their used to be clearnet articles on people buying zannies, or some other , and ODing on fentayl it was so bad. Just pressing their own pills in another country. Be warned .

 

[slapntickle]

I personally haven't checked, but I would imagine these markets sell H do they not? Have you considered it as an option? There are plenty of cases of fatal overdose on H; it's not like F is the only reliable opioid. Surely H is more reliable than something with fewer documented cases like Phenobarbital.

The problem I have with opioids is the reliability (it seems to be that loads of people end up brain damaged etc) but mainly because a drug overdose death would void my life insurance policy... at least I'm pretty sure it would. I cannot see why some enterprising young Bolivian/Peruvian doesn't just start selling N for like $1000 a bottle. I get that there's no repeat custom but surely selling a few bottles a month wouldn't be a bad little income on the side! Personally I'd be all over that if it could be disguised well enough when they posted it.

 

[orbwithinorb]

Yeah it was an Indian seller. They had good reviews but the chances of them being fake are high, they had hundreds of different RX meds all listed… but in any case, the amount of 30mg pills to get to 15g of phenobarbital makes it financially (and physically) impossible to ingest enough so I don't think it's a route worth exploring.

I found out there are non-Indian sellers of this drug on there as well.

As for taking 15g, you can crush up the pills into a powder and drink it instead. Apparently the drug doesn't dissolve well but I'd think that's still preferable to downing hundreds of pills. You can also crush up the pills and put them into larger capsules so there is less to swallow. It's kinda messy and not ideal, but it's the only thing we have that's comparable to N so this method is still interesting to me. The only other method I can think of that I'd be willing to try would be Nitazanes but there is no way of knowing what you're actually getting.

I am currently traveling so don't want to mess with darkweb on someone else's internet but will look further into ordering it when I get back home.

 

[slapntickle]

I found out there are non-Indian sellers of this drug on there as well.

As for taking 15g, you can crush up the pills into a powder and drink it instead. Apparently the drug doesn't dissolve well but I'd think that's still preferable to downing hundreds of pills. You can also crush up the pills and put them into larger capsules so there is less to swallow. It's kinda messy and not ideal, but it's the only thing we have that's comparable to N so this method is still interesting to me. The only other method I can think of that I'd be willing to try would be Nitazanes but there is no way of knowing what you're actually getting.

I am currently traveling so don't want to mess with darkweb on someone else's internet but will look further into ordering it when I get back home.

Oh I'll have to look a little deeper for that seller then…

I didn't know the effects were like N. Reading about it in the PPH doesn't fill me with a lot of hope. Looks like one needs lots of other drugs too, dosages look hard to gauge etc, but if the actual exit is as smooth as N then it's surely worth a go. I couldn't see any reference there to just taking 15-20g of pure phenobarbital. Where is that data from?

Do let us know what you find. There might even be 100mg pills available which will bring things down into reasonable amounts.

 

[orbwithinorb]

Oh I'll have to look a little deeper for that seller then…

I didn't know the effects were like N. Reading about it in the PPH doesn't fill me with a lot of hope. Looks like one needs lots of other drugs too, dosages look hard to gauge etc, but if the actual exit is as smooth as N then it's surely worth a go. I couldn't see any reference there to just taking 15-20g of pure phenobarbital. Where is that data from?

Do let us know what you find. There might even be 100mg pills available which will bring things down into reasonable amounts.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/phenobarbital-alcohol-help.212133 @Dusk till dawn has some informative posts in this thread.

Here is a source that recommends phenobarbital dosage with just Benzos and Antienemics ( I think both should be obtainable on dark web)

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/bmjopen/10/7/e036054.full.pdf

Also the cult Heaven's Gate used Phenobarbital with Alcohol for their mass suicide and everyone who took it died.

Chemical Cause of Cultists' Deaths Is No Mystery

 

[slapntickle]

Some very nice resources compiled there. Thank you.

The method detailed on p6 of the PDF does indeed look interesting. Nice to have such scientific rigour applied too. One thing which looks weird to me is the choice of Anxiolytic in step 2. It says '1g od Diazapam' (which makes sense to be, it's 100 x 10mg pills, so just a huge dose), but then Lorazapam needs just 0.25-2mg, which is a standard dose? Is this a misprint? But then the third choice (which I've never heard of) is Midazloam, which needs only 10mg, and is even qualified with being able to be administered IV (which again is weird to me, I thought one always needed way less for IV drugs).

In any case, the only real issue is the cost and complexity of consuming 10g-ish of phenobarb, which is going to be over 100 pills... but otherwise, a solid method. Why, in your eyes, have the PPH not picked up on it? Seems like something right up their street.

 

[intr0verse]

One thing which looks weird to me is the choice of Anxiolytic in step 2. It says '1g od Diazapam' (which makes sense to be, it's 100 x 10mg pills, so just a huge dose), but then Lorazapam needs just 0.25-2mg, which is a standard dose? Is this a misprint?

I think the idea behind those dosages is that a large dose of a long-acting benzodiazepine (like diazepam) will keep you sedated along the process while a small dose of a short (relatively fast) benzodiazepine will put someone to sleep in short time.

 

[orbwithinorb]

Some very nice resources compiled there. Thank you.

The method detailed on p6 of the PDF does indeed look interesting. Nice to have such scientific rigour applied too. One thing which looks weird to me is the choice of Anxiolytic in step 2. It says '1g od Diazapam' (which makes sense to be, it's 100 x 10mg pills, so just a huge dose), but then Lorazapam needs just 0.25-2mg, which is a standard dose? Is this a misprint? But then the third choice (which I've never heard of) is Midazloam, which needs only 10mg, and is even qualified with being able to be administered IV (which again is weird to me, I thought one always needed way less for IV drugs).

In any case, the only real issue is the cost and complexity of consuming 10g-ish of phenobarb, which is going to be over 100 pills... but otherwise, a solid method. Why, in your eyes, have the PPH not picked up on it? Seems like something right up their street.

Good catch, I'm assuming it is a typo. Also, and please someone correct me if I am wrong, but I believe PPH used to recommend phenobarbital by itself as a viable method in previous versions. My guess as to why they stopped would maybe be that it takes so long to actually kill you compared to N, you need to make sure to not be found for a good period of time. Not sure though, maybe there are other reasons.