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iHeartRockArt

Wizard
Sep 21, 2018
608
I'm sure that afterlife is going to be just like beforelife was.
You remember what beforelife was like, right?
This is kind of how I feel...but I have questions and doubts of course. But I sort of feel like when you die...it's just nothingness. Non existent...and that would be fine with me. At least the pain will be gone.
 
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bigj75

bigj75

“From Knowledge springs power."
Sep 1, 2018
2,540
Stop with this hell shit. Idk if it's real but its definitely manipulated to conform people through fear.
 
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existenceissuffering

Member
Sep 12, 2018
91
The Bible does talk about hell. More than once. But I'm almost 100% positive that there is no mention of going to hell after suicide...

Could you please provide exact quotes about hell from the Bible? Honestly curious to what is said.
 
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NotWorthLiving

Enlightened
Dec 8, 2018
1,264
Christian here, but losing faith

Not really any more

The best I can find is from Mark 16:16 about being going to hell but it has nothing to do with suicide.

'Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.'
 
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Alastor

Member
Oct 4, 2018
15
Could you please provide exact quotes about hell from the Bible? Honestly curious to what is said.

Mark 9:43-48
"And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched."

Matthew 10:28
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

Just to give two examples that come to mind
 
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color_me_gone

color_me_gone

Sun is rising
Dec 27, 2018
970
Stop with this hell shit. Idk if it's real but its definitely manipulated to conform people through fear.

Yes, I totally agree here.
Personally, I do believe that something created us, rather than all this happening by chance.
I think even science supports that, to some extent.
Beyond that, I am not willing to assign all kinds of imagined attributes to this creative power.
That's what religion and the bible do, and they are man made.
Notice I say creative power, because I am not willing to assign to it any human like attributes.
I do not believe that the bible was inspired by this creative power.
Toss out the bible, then the concepts of creative power and evolution can coexist peacefully.
We are given a set of tools to work with, and it is up to us to control our own destiny.
We are given the ability to easily destroy life, but not create it.
We are provided a tool to commit global suicide in the form of a nuclear button.
The way humankind is proceeding, it is pretty clear that one day that button will be pushed.
If we looked closely, we would see that if we would be kind, compassionate, and willing to help each other out,
all of humankind would all be doing so much better.
Instead, we choose to be greedy, manipulative, hateful, etc., so we are destroying ourselves.
Has the bible or religion done much to make the world better? It doesn't seem like it.
Does the creative power care that we are destroying ourselves? If it is able to care, I doubt that it does.
We were left to our own devices, we are in charge.
For this I am sad.
 
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therhydler

therhydler

Enlightened
Dec 7, 2018
1,196
Take me to hell it can't be worse than this
 
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venom.52

Member
Dec 20, 2018
53
Nah,I believe we are already living in hell. On a lighter note,have a look at this video. Even if it doesn't convince you,it will definitely make you laugh.
 
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seekingoblivion

Arcanist
Dec 11, 2018
454
Heaven and hell are man-made concepts conceived by ignorant bureaucrats to control the populace and instill fear.
"and man created God in his own image"
Tell me about it. Someone was trying to defend themselves earlier when I accused them of trying to scare me into belief by encouraging me to read a chapter on the end times in a theological book (of all the chapters in the book). I read it a while ago and man does a religion scream "man-made!!" when they have to go out of their way to describe torture of the highest possible degree as a consequence of not believing what they say and doing as they say. The person in question went on about how they just want to share knowledge and truth (which of course is assumed will be taken as truth at face value) yet somehow they leave out the chapter that was relevant to our original discussion ( the theory of evolution and it's validity)
 
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Johnnythefox

Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
3,129
Tell me about it. Someone was trying to defend themselves earlier when I accused them of trying to scare me into belief by encouraging me to read a chapter on the end times in a theological book (of all the chapters in the book). I read it a while ago and man does a religion scream "man-made!!" when they have to go out of their way to describe torture of the highest possible degree as a consequence of not believing what they say and doing as they say. The person in question went on about how they just want to share knowledge and truth (which of course is assumed will be taken as truth at face value) yet somehow they leave out the chapter that was relevant to our original discussion ( the theory of evolution and it's validity)
I no longer get involved in these types of threads exactly for the reasons you have said. I could hazard a guess as to who you are referring to, do as I do and use the ignore function. It's not worth the effort to enter into a debate about the great unanswerable.
 
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existenceissuffering

Member
Sep 12, 2018
91
Mark 9:43-48
"And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched."

Matthew 10:28
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

Just to give two examples that come to mind

Ok thanks. But yep, nothing about suicide and hell. :)
 
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seekingoblivion

seekingoblivion

Arcanist
Dec 11, 2018
454
I no longer get involved in these types of threads exactly for the reasons you have said. I could hazard a guess as to who you are referring to, do as I do and use the ignore function. It's not worth the effort to enter into a debate about the great unanswerable.

Oh no the person I was referring to is a person in my life offline. It was a face to face discussion. I'm yet to get into it with someone on this site haha. Of course it's just as useless to debate such offline as it is online.
 
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Johnnythefox

Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
3,129
These three items are responsible for more suffering than any other items in history. How the bible and the torah are mentioned in the quran
 
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Johnnythefox

Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
3,129
I can message with you on a different medium like kik or discord if you'd like
I don't use kik or discord, you can pm me the Big secret. I await this information with the same anticipation I give to my next bowel movement.
 
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Johnnythefox

Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
3,129
Totally agree. These and the knuckleheads who wrote them.
Not your fault but it seems I've inadvertently got involved in the oldest argument since Adam asked Eve to wash his underwear.
 
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MsM3talGamer

Voluntary deletion
Nov 28, 2018
1,504
Not your fault but it seems I've inadvertently got involved in the oldest argument since Adam asked Eve to wash his underwear.
LOL! But Eve HAD to wash Adam's manky old Y fronts. After all, she DID come from his rib and she ate the forbidden apple the one-eyed trouser snake offered her. I insist that this is true since an old man wrote it in the Bible thousands of years ago. I wonder if Eve made good sandwiches for Adam too.
 
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Johnnythefox

Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
3,129
LOL! But Eve HAD to wash Adam's manky old Y fronts. After all, she DID come from his rib and she ate the forbidden apple the one-eyed trouser snake offered her. I insist that this is true since an old man wrote it in the Bible thousands of years ago. I wonder if Eve made good sandwiches for Adam too.
:pfff::pfff::pfff::pfff:
 
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Fcancer

Student
Sep 24, 2018
184
Hell is not real and there is no afterlife. When you die, you die.

Magical stuff aye!!
 
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Logic

Student
Dec 20, 2018
172
i've been wondering if there's an after life. (been a open atheist for years) that'd be cool, however that begs the question will we inadvertently go to hell? i'm sure others have pondered this as well.. the bible has been crammed down the throat's of many.. as well other gods claim this to be the greatest 'sin' if you do accept this form of ideology...

Angel "Jesus wtf are you doing. You are going to take a form of a human and sacrifice yourself onto yourself so you can forgive yourself? Are you wasted? Just forgive them!! Guide them and give them the tools to be far better! Show them why many of their choices are wrong, show them how their choices effect others, give them more information, more laws they don't know about so they understand the extreme complex poorly understood system they are in!! You are punishing them for not preforming well in an extremely complex system they don't know many of the laws rules and information of. You don't tell a child to play chess against a grand master without bothering to explain the rules than punish him for losing. They are making bad choices because they don't understand how chess works not to fuck with the grand master!! You claim to be omniscience but I have never seen anything from you that even surpasses human intelligence!"

Jesus "I never said I was smart, you just assumed I was because I am more than you, I am God human or a human with powers not super Intelligent that was a mistranslation."

Angel "all this suddenly makes more sense. "

Christianity is ridiculous. It's demonstrablly not true.
 
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Plankter

Plankter

欠陥人
Aug 14, 2018
174
Yes, even the thought of it terrifies me.
 
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Johnnythefox

Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
3,129
Yes, even the thought of it terrifies me.
That's the whole idea of it so you won't be naughty and keep in line with the rest of the herd.
Religious indoctrination in kids is nothing more than child abuse.
 
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Plankter

Plankter

欠陥人
Aug 14, 2018
174
That's the whole idea of it so you won't be naughty and keep in line with the rest of the herd.
Religious indoctrination in kids is nothing more than child abuse.
Exactly but when its god whos doing the abuse he doesnt allow you to speak of it. [Warning opinion ahead] Despite hating the way things are, i cant disbelieve in religion. It may be ridiculous but the claims are too dangerous to not take into consideration.
 
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Lena

Experienced
Sep 26, 2018
280
Can you provide the exact quotes that mention going to hell if you kill yourself?
Killing your self is a sin. It says in the Bible that your responsible for taking care of yourself. Your body's a temple, dude. But it's my belief that although it's possible to go to hell for committing suicide, it's not auto automatically damning in itself.
 
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Lena

Experienced
Sep 26, 2018
280
Stop with this hell shit. Idk if it's real but its definitely manipulated to conform people through fear.
If Hell is real (which I believe it is) then it is something to fear regardless of the fact that it is sometimes used as a fear tactic.
 
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Enough no more

Member
Oct 9, 2018
10
I am not religious however I read recently somewhere that you will be forgiven of suicide if that really is your only option and you feel it is truly the only way to stop your suffering. No matter your religion you need to do what is right for you as you are the one in physical or mental pain and that is suffering regardless. Why would anyone want us to suffer with this pain? Would a god of any type truly want us in pain if they are all about love and peace? The answer is no unless they are a vengeful god who wants suffering for us. That is no real god.

Sorry in advance if this upsets anyone.
 
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Hunter

Hunter

Experienced
Sep 14, 2018
260
I am an atheist...

There is not much point in speculating on the afterlife or whether there is a god as nothing is verifiable. I guess that's debatable. But I think it's better to ask yourself if your pain is at the point that you would be willing to accept a hypothetical purgatory, Hell, or otherwise. When the answer is yes, it's another step closer to death.
 
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Misanthrope

Misanthrope

Mage
Oct 23, 2018
557
No, I am not worried about it. For the same reason, I am not worried about a giant cosmic Yak, digesting me in its belly for all eternity on dying. All because I failed to grasp its mandates delivered in the complicated form of hard to distinguish cow pats, that I should have been able to interpret correctly. All of which will condemn me for not offering up enough salt lick to the Cosmic Yak. I should have known better, so being digested for eternity is my just fate...

This thread is pretty sad to me in just how much unjustified fear is on display twisting people into knots of dread. Instead of launching into a diatribe. I will simply point you down various avenues of thought that can help you dismantle this fear, or maybe even cast doubt on it enough it does not hold your psyche to ransom.

Firstly is the word hell itself. It is pretty interesting to look into its origin and history, how it evolved to suit various agendas and was shaped by mixing cultures. Some of it comes down to language issues and convenient translation errors. It is also interesting to look at the shift in what hell actually consisted of and how other cultures influenced those changes.

Here are a few resources to get you started. The last is drawn from a religious site just to demonstrate they are not even in agreement and recognise the corruption within scripture.

http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/vocabulary_definitions_hell.html

https://www.britannica.com/topic/hell

https://www.truthaccordingtoscripture.com/documents/death/origin-of-hell-fire.php#.XCpPulz7SUl

You can also come at it from a psychological stance. Realising as a species we naturally see patterns where there are none and then apply associations to those patterns. The neurological side of faith is also pretty fascinating.

There is a good exploration of it here.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/brain-religion.htm

https://www.magiscenter.com/hard-wired-for-faith-the-religious-experience-and-the-brain/

Lastly, you could look into the variability of afterlives across cultures. Notice how they are all different and generally reflect the ethos of the culture in question. There is no universal afterlife that can even be observed. What is punished in one doctrine is rewarded in another. How many equivalents of hell are you willing to keep in mind and be afraid of? Which is the right one? Could well be the cosmic Yak for all we know.

There are parallels with near-death experiences as well. Often they reflect the dominant culture in what they consist of. The brain does some pretty interesting things in response to the trauma of dying.

https://theconversation.com/are-nea...cience-behind-this-puzzling-phenomenon-106286

https://www.skeptic.org.uk/magazine/onlinearticles/braithwaite-dying-brain/

I hope that has been informative. I can only wish you all the best in overcoming your fears. Where ever that freedom may lead.
 
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bigj75

bigj75

“From Knowledge springs power."
Sep 1, 2018
2,540
If Hell is real (which I believe it is) then it is something to fear regardless of the fact that it is sometimes used as a fear tactic.

Yes it is something to fear. But how you get to hell is a whole nother thing.
 
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