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ofc it matters. If you are very charismatic and with money you can get around your ugliness, but it does not change the fact that beautiful and genetically well favored people have a lot more easy time to do everything in life. And all the people I know who say they don't care about looks only date pretty people. People who says appearance doesn't matter are the ones that really care about appearance.
 
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It's not only about others, it's about ourselves too. But both are linked.
From 8 to 18, I was told I was completely ugly everyday for some reasons.
Then I developed extreme dysmorphophobia.
Then some people have told me I was handsome for the past three years. I'm 22 soon.

But it's too late. My memories won't leave me. And I can't cope with that.

Same - told I was 'gormless' 'ugly', to stop pulling faces in the mirror (me as a child trying to work out why I was so ugly) as the wind would change and I'd stay like it forever and I already looked bad enough. That was my family. My friends & peers called me n*gge$ lips from about 7-13 years old, I'm white caucasian. I'm now 43 and despite the huge amount of evidence and life experiences to the contrary still can't shake that I'm ugly AF.
 
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you don't have to be the best looking person, but if you take care of yourself, dress smart, be clean, treat poeple with respect, be nice etc. you'll probably go a long way (like dont let people walk all over you though by being too nice)


Lie. You can't just stick makeup on your face to hide your ugliness all the time. The moment you need to show your true appearance, people will see how ugly you are. And if you are in a place where people are beautiful, you will always be the last option.

Also, respect and niceness are subjective. Most people consider you toxic just because you have a different opinion. Sometimes we act disrespectfully without even realizing it, because some people are offended by anything.
 
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Lie. You can't just stick makeup on your face to hide your ugliness all the time. The moment you need to show your true appearance, people will see how ugly you are. And if you are in a place where people are beautiful, you will always be the last option.

Also, respect and niceness are subjective. Most people consider you toxic just because you have a different opinion. Sometimes we act disrespectfully without even realizing it, because some people are offended by anything.

I never said anything to do with make up! I meant like be clean take care of your appearence etc. if your dressed like a tramp, it definately isn't going to give offf the right impression!!

In regards to the make up thing. plenty of girls etc look bolox all like the pictures they put up on social media,dating sites etc. they got ake up put on with a trowel and they get away with it and get attention. I personally have been out with many girls and am not personally attracted to girls that look like a clown. i find make a lot of make up unattractive.
 
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I never said anything to do with make up! I meant like be clean take care of your appearence etc. if your dressed like a tramp, it definately isn't going to give offf the right impression!!

In regards to the make up thing. plenty of girls etc look bolox all like the pictures they put up on social media,dating sites etc. they got ake up put on with a trowel and they get away with it and get attention. I personally have been out with many girls and am not personally attracted to girls that look like a clown. i find make a lot of make up unattractive.


I'm talking about "make up" in general, like clothes, hairstyle and etc. Even if you wear good clothes and walk clean, it won't be able to hide your ugliness for long. From the moment your friends you walk with gets to know you better, they will notice how ugly you are. You are probably beautiful or at least avarage since you have been with a lot of girls, so you will never understand what it is like to be ugly.
I only see people with good looks saying that beauty doesn't matter. It's easy to say that when they are in a good position.
 
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so are you talking about ugliness on the inside or out?

ok so i will be truthful, i don't think that i am ugly, i have been in a lot of relationships and had one night stands. but i can also be the most ugly person you could meet, through temper and nastiness. my good looks cant disguise that ,and it will put plenty of people off from liking me etc.

i mean i imagine there are lots of girls men find beautiful, they wear all the make up etc. i don't find that attractive at all.

i understand what you are saying, i have seen loads of guys i wouldn't expect to see with really beautiful women. so ican't say it would never happen if someone thinks they are 'ugly'
 
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I don't know, beauty can be something that is subjective. You could be a good looking person but you could have a terrible personality and as a result, you'll come across as someone who's ugly regardless of physical looks.

People who are more conventionally attractive probably have it slightly easier in life but it doesn't guarantee they'll lead a happy and successful life. Although, I think if I was better looking, I'd have more confidence and I wouldn't hate myself as much and therefore wouldn't be the mess that I am today.
 
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so are you talking about ugliness on the inside or out?

ok so i will be truthful, i don't think that i am ugly, i have been in a lot of relationships and had one night stands. but i can also be the most ugly person you could meet, through temper and nastiness. my good looks cant disguise that ,and it will put plenty of people off from liking me etc.

i mean i imagine there are lots of girls men find beautiful, they wear all the make up etc. i don't find that attractive at all.

i understand what you are saying, i have seen loads of guys i wouldn't expect to see with really beautiful women. so ican't say it would never happen if someone thinks they are 'ugly'

I'm talking about on the outside.
And we both agree on the same thing here, since I also agree that charisma can win people over even if you are ugly. However, as I said, with beauty everything is much easier. I would never have been bullied at my school, I probably would have had a girlfriend in my life or at least had sex.
 
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I'm talking about on the outside.
And we both agree on the same thing here, since I also agree that charisma can win people over even if you are ugly. However, as I said, with beauty everything is much easier. I would never have been bullied at my school, I probably would have had a girlfriend in my life or at least had sex.

So ill give you an example here

I had GF etc and seemed to be able to get the 'trophy' girls people wanted to get with( i can say some were definately beauty on the inside but not on the in)

now regardless of this i wasn't confident at all, i was quite shy actually. i think this must have been noticable aswell. I did though always wear nice clothes and take care of my appearence.

now later in life when i went to the gym(i was skinny, ii always hated that part) i got a whole lot more confident, it certainly got me more attention aswell. but i was never one for that, it was for myself more than others.

I found that once i was confident in myself it made a big difference.
 
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Lmao confidence is really impossible with ugliness
That's like asking deaf people to speak ten languages
 
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So are you saying that all I need is confidence?


no, because i don't think its fair just to say that to you. i don't know everything about you and don't want to act as if i do.

I can say that confidence is definately something that would make a huge difference. if you are confident in yourself it shows. but then people can be over confident and seem cocky. its a balance, i suppose some of it comes through age.
Lmao confidence is really impossible with ugliness
That's like asking deaf people to speak ten languages

I had no confidence when i was skinny, i hated how i looked and thought it was ugly being like that.
 
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So most agree with the importance of physical attractiveness in life. I agree too, definately.

I think mental stability is even more important. If you are average looking and mentally stable, you can have a normal life and could possibly attract a goodlooking partner.

Life becomes significantly harder if you are mentally unstable. Everything can become difficult, even attracting a partner, despite being goodlooking.

It becomes even harder when you are mentally unstable and not attractive.
 
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So most agree with the importance of physical attractiveness in life.

I think mental stability is even more important. If you are average looking and mentally stable, you can have a normal life and could possibly attract a goodlooking partner.

Life becomes significantly harder if you are mentally unstable. Everything can become difficult, even attracting a partner, despite being goodlooking.

It becomes even harder when you are mentally unstable and not attractive.


I think with lots of these issues you give off vibes (probably without knowing) like people can see someone lacking in confidence etc. its mad how much you can 'give away' without actually knowing you are doing it!!!
 
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I think with lots of these issues you give off vibes (probably without knowing) like people can see someone lacking in confidence etc. its mad how much you can 'give away' without actually knowing you are doing it!!!

If you present yourself as not confident, people will perceive a not confident person.

On the other hand, if you fake confidence, people will see a confident person.

Confidence is very important to succeed in life and people are judging on that.
 
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If you present yourself as not confident, people will perceive a not confident person.

On the other hand, if you fake confidence, people will see a confident person.

Confidence is very important to succeed in life and people are judging on that.

not to mention the arseholes that want to walk all over people with no confidence , take advantage etc. its a vicious circle
 
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Yes. Society does grant a lot of privileges and leeway to conventionally attractive people, due to the "Halo effect" where people associate attractiveness with goodness

That being said, beauty isn't the golden ticket to an easy life for everyone. Even attractive people suffer, have mental illnesses, get abused, suffer childhood trauma, etc. There are so many variables that impact a person's life and how "easy" it is. You can be physically attractive and still suffer immensely in this life because of factors beyond your control like mental illness, abuse, etc. These things transcend appearance. Trauma, mental illness, and suffering don't care how beautiful you are. It's not so cut and dry.
 
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I'm not going to say I'm attractive, but I've had way more unwanted attention from men then I could ask for. I'm sure it's a curse for the less physically attractive too. No way to win, is there?
I'm convinced that it's what most women have to deal with. The way understand it, from evolutionary point of view it makes sense that men look for quantity while women look for quality (can't carry babies from more than one man at a time, so the quantity is limited). What we have is that women get more attention, both wanted and unwanted.
 
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Ah well
Truth is in the old saying
Beauty is skin deep
Ugliness goes to the bone
 
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I just think all species are just flesh bags, so no I don't think it matters in the long run.
 
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People say that it doesn't but there are studies that show people treat attractive men and women better and assume they're more intelligent, wealthy, moral etc...

Now is anyone saying you can't be successful without being good looking, of course not but it makes things easier. Just like being born into a wealthy family makes it easier to become even more wealthy. A poor person can do it but it's a hell of a lot harder.
Yes. Very much . If you are ugly , life (in every respect from employment and career advancement to socialising , dating, intimacy and love ) is much emptier ,harder ,lonelier ,frustrating and restricted .You have to work twice as hard as a normal looking person to get just a fraction of the breaks they get in life. At best you are ignored .At worst you are abused. In comparison to a 'good looking' person....its all even worse again.
Unless a person has the misfortune to be Ugly they have no idea of how painful and difficult it is.
Many on this site are depressed because of how they look and what its meant for them.
I speak as someone who is ugly myself.
 
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Yes. Very much . If you are ugly , life (in every respect from employment and career advancement to socialising , dating, intimacy and love ) is much emptier ,harder ,lonelier ,frustrating and restricted .You have to work twice as hard as a normal looking person to get just a fraction of the breaks they get in life. At best you are ignored .At worst you are abused. In comparison to a 'good looking' person....its all even worse again.
Unless a person has the misfortune to be Ugly they have no idea of how painful and difficult it is.
Many on this site are depressed because of how they look and what its meant for them.
I speak as someone who is ugly myself.

I went to college, got qualified, set up my own sucessful business. it had nothing to do with looks at all. it was hard word and putting the effort in!!! looks might be needed if your a model or something, not when it requires using your brain!!! or hard work manual labour.

can't say i have ever seen an employer pick a tradesperson because they look good.
 
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Whenever news report someone's death and show a picture of them, people will sympathize much more if the dead is good looking. It's as if the beautiful deserve to live more.
 
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Whenever news report someone's death and show a picture of them, people will sympathize much more if the dead is good looking. It's as if the beautiful deserve to live more.
Very true.
 
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I'm sorry for you. What the video said is still true though, ugly people have more room for character growth because people are less likely to act fake around them just because they're hot.
Absolutely not. It's a South Park clip, come on, wake up. That's like white people saying being white is a curse..to the minorities. Or the wealthy bemoaning to the poor about money.. Classic gaslighting. Typical "woe is me", complaining about an absolute blessing, anyone who racks their brains long and hard enough can turn a privilege into a curse. And only the extremely privileged themselves have the luxury to even attempt such a thing, they are not run down and destroyed by life so they have the time and energy to search for any tiny bread crumb of oppression or tragedy they can in order to attention seek for sympathy. And they will get it too, because the tears of the attractive are noticed while the tears of the unattractive are swept under the rug. Prime example: You, what you're attempting to do right now.
It's also quite easy to become ugly so if anyone wants to complain about being attractive, the solution is simple and abundantly possible. For ugly people to become good looking? Not so much.

Read between the lines of that clip, Kyle is called an asshole at the end, even though he has a point (ignoring the fact that becoming an "adult" does not change that looks unfortunately matter a great deal.)
We shouldn't have to wait until looks supposedly don't matter (they actually never stop mattering) or matter less, to balance out our past imbalance of unfortunate circumstances. By that time, "mattering less" is something that could be said about anything. Everything comes to an end eventually, including life itself. The point is that if you get to enjoy the privileges of life while you have them, you are and always will be better off than the people who did not. You have the memories, you had the experiences, and that's basically all life comes down to in the end. It's not like every single one of us loses our memory, past and looks at 50 and after that we all start over as elderly uggos for centuries to come. Most value and enjoyment comes from one's youth and carries one through the later years of life.


Ugly people have more room for character growth!? Oh you mean from being shunned and having to isolate?! Yea..stellar way to grow that character! Lmao! ..Even if that were true, to what end? Sure, you could argue that hardships can grow us in ways we wouldn't normally grow but if those hardships never come to an end, then all that growth will turn to absolute rot. Even people who had miraculous ugly duckling/swan transformations have trouble escaping that ugly box society put them into, they are unable to close their eyes to the insane difference in treatment, the trauma is too great, any growth was hammered down by the massive amount of damage done to them. And for people who never escape that unattractive physical shell? Well their "character" can do a nose dive and they may either take it out on themselves or others, which is society's fault for shaping them that way and nature's fault for restricting them in a form they had no say in.

On the contrary, attractive people have no excuse in that area and are given heaps more room to grow. The world is at their feet, doors are opened for them where they are closed on others. An attractive appearance can even help a person glide more easily through any other form of disadvantage or "-ism" in life.
Having a form of confidence that was bred by other people complimenting you for your appearance is rarely an end all, be all. Usually it is just a giant head start, a stepping stone to build other confidences and successes onto.
Where being unattractive can be defeating and hope-stripping, being attractive is often the opposite. One good thing leads to another and by the time your looks start fading, you've still got everything else which was built off of them. If someone wants to wallow in their good fortune and not make further use of it then that's another story that I don't really care to have an ounce of sympathy for. Unlike the unattractive who have to build their lives off of shit and have every reason to give up where the attractive can see the light and keep going.

Obviously there are other aspects of life and different types of hardships which anyone can experience, but that's not what this thread is about and quite frankly, to my dismay, looks are something that really do matter a great deal compared to other things which should, ideally, matter more. They stain even those more worthy parts of life and humanity.

As far as them having to worry about people being "fake" to them? What do you consider fake? I would say people are being quite genuine in their attention to the attractive and their interest and investment in them, however fucked up and unearned that attention may be. And if there is anything more than looks to the person being given the attention, at least they are actually given the opportunity and environment to show it, for it to be seen.
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You think ugly people don't have to worry about who is fake to them?
Ha! So many people are fake to the unattractive and so so so disingenuous. The ugly, sometimes even the plain, serve to make others feel better about themselves.
They are taken advantage of because people think less of them, they are used, they are disrespected, people may be nice to them to signal virtue, may compliment them to gaslight them or pat themselves on the back for their good deed of the day, people take them as a friend because their looks are not a threat. Some may even look for a less attractive romantic partner as to worry less about jealousy or abandonment. All types of ulterior motives and manipulative machinations can be at play while interacting with those who would otherwise be insulted or ignored.
And if the ugly person ever complains or points out this reasoning, well they will be dismissed and blamed, they will get the same "beauty is a curse" spiel you are trying to push and much more. Insanity if you ask me.
...But I guess if the abuse is genuine then that makes it better? (Though since it's still based on looks then it's really no less "fake" than the good treatment the attractive people get for theirs.) No matter how glaring the reality is, when all is said and done. those who don't experience the hell of not being attractive will try to deny the fact that looks matter at every corner, because if they admit to the truth, they can no longer blame the ugly person and they can no longer see themselves as the victim. So they turn that fear of losing their victimhood onto the less fortunate. Why? Because they can. Because of the very privilege they are trying to cover up.
 
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Well said. That's all so true.
 
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they'll still be decent looking old folk, and have pleasant memories

anyway looks TOTALLY matter: I'm all of the good things not related to looks, handsome and in shape, but I'm 5'6/168cm. life doesn't even matter for short men
I agree with your first statement and I understand the height lament but I am a bit confused by your wording. Being handsome IS related to your looks, I mean it's literally an adjective of one's appearance. And so is being in shape, although that at least takes effort and isn't exactly handed to anyone. (Though I realize not everyone has the genes/bone structure or fat/muscle distribution to obtain their goal body type, even with hard work.)
 

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