Do you think you deserve to die?

[Othermind]

As in sentenced to death? Totally.

 

[seekingoblivion]

Yes, I believe that I'm where I am now through my own actions and decisions. Sure, others influenced me for good or bad, but it was still always my free will to do what I did in my life. That's not to say I don't 'blame' or resent some people who led me into bad decisions. I do. But then the other voice kicks in and reminds me I could have said yes or no - always ultimately my choices.

You have no free will. So don't blame yourself. Similarly the people who influenced you don't either, so try and avoid blaming them too. Your actions may have lead you here but the decision to take them was never yours. You were just aware of the decision when it happened.

 

[Snee]

i should not born.i m a yesterdays news.

 

[seekingoblivion]

Rubbish! You're not less than human (not that being a beautiful Golden Labrador, or a dolphin or a cuddly kitten are to be sneezed at...). What on earth can that mean?

Well I'm factually not but what that usually means when we say it is that we fail to consistently and sufficiently adhere to a number of what we have been taught are the characteristic norms of a human being.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

Yes, but not in the sense "i'm unworthy", more in the sense of "you've suffered enough, you deserve liberation"

I don't even believe in free-will to condemn or blame myself, plus most of my problems stem from attributes (bad looks/bad genetics) that has nothing to do with desert or merit even for people who believe in free-will.

 

[JWL]

You have no free will. So don't blame yourself. Similarly the people who influenced you don't either, so try and avoid blaming them too. Your actions may have lead you here but the decision to take them was never yours. You were just aware of the decision when it happened.

Well, um, thanks for summarizing my whole philosophy on your terms..!!

No. I have free will. We all do. Otherwise it's very convenient for us all to say "What could I do??" My decisions on actions to take were entirely my own. I wasn't 'just' aware when it happened. I believe I was also aware of the general plan, and part of it, from the outset. I'm not a child and I assume neither are you. We can't evade so slickly and cheaply our responsibilities and the consequences of OUR choices.

 

[Korrok]

I don't think I deserve to die per se, but I don't think I'm cut out for life. I spent my life in chronic pain, and having missed out on so much in life as a result of that has left me unable to function in the real world. I don't have anything to offer society as a whole or any other person, and all the drugs I took to control the pain, insomnia, and depression have left me largely unable to think or feel. So I'm done.

 

[DownInaHole]

I don't think I deserve to die per se, but I don't think I'm cut out for life. I spent my life in chronic pain, and having missed out on so much in life as a result of that has left me unable to function in the real world. I don't have anything to offer society as a whole or any other person, and all the drugs I took to control the pain, insomnia, and depression have left me largely unable to think or feel. So I'm done.

You can change things for the better if you wish. Is that what you wish for?

 

[Korrok]

You can change things for the better if you wish. Is that what you wish for?

I've tried changing things for the better, but with my brain in the state it's in from years of pain, drugs, and severe sleep deprivation, I'm at the point where I'm barely able to hold a coherent thought in my head. Holding simple, two sided conversations has become difficult to the point of near impossibility, and it doesn't seem like there is any way to make it better. I know that I would be taking an easy way out with suicide, but I can't see myself ever getting better.

 

[DownInaHole]

I've tried changing things for the better, but with my brain in the state it's in from years of pain, drugs, and severe sleep deprivation, I'm at the point where I'm barely able to hold a coherent thought in my head. Holding simple, two sided conversations has become difficult to the point of near impossibility, and it doesn't seem like there is any way to make it better. I know that I would be taking an easy way out with suicide, but I can't see myself ever getting better.

Sometimes you just need another point of view and to make a few changes.

 

[Korrok]

Sometimes you just need another point of view and to make a few changes.

Up until a few months ago I would have agreed with you, but high doses of antidepressants and benzodiazepines have messed up my mind very badly. I really do not see a future for myself.

 

[DownInaHole]

Up until a few months ago I would have agreed with you, but high doses of antidepressants and benzodiazepines have messed up my mind very badly. I really do not see a future for myself.

I don't think they are the answer long term. What is your opinion on cannabis?

 

[Korrok]

I don't think they are the answer long term. What is your opinion on cannabis?

I've tried it, and it wasn't all that helpful. It makes me feel a bit better about things in the moment, but it wears off quickly.

 

[DownInaHole]

Can you email me at [email protected] ?

 

[LastDay]

I think I deserve whatever it is that I want.
If I want life, I deserve life. But i want to LIVE, i don't want to survive. I too love this planet and I pray to God that I can come back here and fulfil my purpose. I am too damaged now and my trauma has caused me to feel unsafe everywhere I go, even in my own body. I believe that I deserve to die peacefully if I choose to. I don't deserve to have to destroy my body in order to end the agony.

Have you tried/can afford therapy? There's this treatment called Prolonged Exposure that's supposed to be super effective for PTSD.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

Well, um, thanks for summarizing my whole philosophy on your terms..!!

No. I have free will. We all do. Otherwise it's very convenient for us all to say "What could I do??" My decisions on actions to take were entirely my own. I wasn't 'just' aware when it happened. I believe I was also aware of the general plan, and part of it, from the outset. I'm not a child and I assume neither are you. We can't evade so slickly and cheaply our responsibilities and the consequences of OUR choices.

Reality doesn't change based on what is convenient or not for humans.

We aren't saying that your choices aren't your "own", we are saying that this "own itself, the whole "self" itself is something you don't control consciously. You can't chose what you think about, because a thought that would instanciate the process you interpret as "chosing" is already a thought with content, and without even going to those details : An act is either based on causes or is random, none of those two possibilities are compatible with contra-causal free-will. Contra-causal (the ability to do otherwise than what one did given the same conditions) is something absurd and impossible to even explain as a concept, it's unintelligible, an absurd concept made to justify religion and punishment of sinners.

If people's act weren't predictible based on their personality (imagine someone being vegan and loving classical music one day, than a meat-eater who raps about cows the second, than a volleyball fan the third, who is contrained neither by social norms/evolutionary shaped goals etc) would just look like a crazy person.

 

[Korrok]

Can you email me at [email protected] ?

Sure

 

[Sixfeetunder]

The real answer is that science just doesn't know. And what science DOES know is a fraction of what is out there. Think about what this science you believe in could have told you 50, 100, 150 years ago. Then think about how much of that we'd find funny today in light of our scientific progress. So, when you talk about 'likely', I'd say it's more likely that science will discover, eventually and inevitably, that:

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
- Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio

Maybe, but an afterlife and reincarnation doesn't make sense to me.

Many people have tried to convince me otherwise, but it hasn't worked. I still believe it'll be eternal oblivion. Let's agree to disagree.

 

[seekingoblivion]

Well, um, thanks for summarizing my whole philosophy on your terms..!!

No. I have free will. We all do. Otherwise it's very convenient for us all to say "What could I do??" My decisions on actions to take were entirely my own. I wasn't 'just' aware when it happened. I believe I was also aware of the general plan, and part of it, from the outset. I'm not a child and I assume neither are you. We can't evade so slickly and cheaply our responsibilities and the consequences of OUR choices.

Oh yeah it does look that way and it absolutely definitely totally feels that way (that we have all the choice in the universe) but our decisions are all based on our drives. Which is to say there's an internal push with one emotion or the other at the base of it. These drives being influenced by some combination of our nature, our nurture, our circumstances, our experiences, some right place right time/wrong place wrong time element basically lends to the idea that free will in it's strictest sense doesn't really exist. Our actions will still have consequences but that's inevitable as we live in a cause and effect universe.

 

[JWL]

Maybe, but an afterlife and reincarnation doesn't make sense to me.

Many people have tried to convince me otherwise, but it hasn't worked. I still believe it'll be eternal oblivion. Let's agree to disagree.

One should never preach about what one believes, or even worse seek conversions. If something doesn't make sense to you, it's not for you. You won't burn in Hell for it. Just do what seems right in your own beliefs system.

 

[itsallover]

Only murderers and child rapists deserve to die. I think habitual violent criminals don't have a place in society either. No one here deserves to die. We were just dealt a shitty hand and did our best with it. Suicide takes courage because deep down everyone wants to be happy, but life's a bitch. The only reason I held on for so long is because I was happy before I got physically sick. I didn't see the world for the evil place it really is. I hope no one is offended by this but when 9/11 happened I couldn't care less if world war 3 started and I live in NYC. I know the end is coming. I wish I could see it. My heart has turned cold since my health and life were stolen from me. I would love to see everything obliterated. I'm the person who would be on a plane laughing if it was going down.

 

[Redt2go]

Only murderers and child rapists deserve to die. I think habitual violent criminals don't have a place in society either. No one here deserves to die. We were just dealt a shitty hand and did our best with it. Suicide takes courage because deep down everyone wants to be happy, but life's a bitch. The only reason I held on for so long is because I was happy before I got physically sick. I didn't see the world for the evil place it really is. I hope no one is offended by this but when 9/11 happened I couldn't care less if world war 3 started and I live in NYC. I know the end is coming. I wish I could see it. My heart has turned cold since my health and life were stolen from me. I would love to see everything obliterated. I'm the person who would be on a plane laughing if it was going down.

:(

 

[JWL]

Only murderers and child rapists deserve to die. I think habitual violent criminals don't have a place in society either. No one here deserves to die. We were just dealt a shitty hand and did our best with it. Suicide takes courage because deep down everyone wants to be happy, but life's a bitch. The only reason I held on for so long is because I was happy before I got physically sick. I didn't see the world for the evil place it really is. I hope no one is offended by this but when 9/11 happened I couldn't care less if world war 3 started and I live in NYC. I know the end is coming. I wish I could see it. My heart has turned cold since my health and life were stolen from me. I would love to see everything obliterated. I'm the person who would be on a plane laughing if it was going down.

I've thought about that plane thing, myself, ha ha. Always imagined I'd be the one ordering a last large whisky and calmly telling everyone else "nothing to worry about, folks".

Well, that's how it plays out in my imagination, but what does THAT know...lol.

 

[ShadowOfTheDay]

I wouldn't say "I deserve to die," though it might be true. Instead, I just think it would be better for everyone involved with my life-- better for myself for all the usual reasons, and better for my family because they could stop "worrying" about me; they would finally have some closure.

 

[Numbtopain97]

death=peace so yeah i deserve to die

 

[Baskol1]

I do not deserve to die, but i want to die, because death is better than existing. Especially if youre autistic, and i am autistic, which is why i failed already in life. Now there are some people who live successful lives despite autism, but this is just a minority.

 

[262653]

Yes, as a consolation prize. But such claims, about who deserves what, don't have any weight unless they're backed up by power/control/influence. Power guarantees the claim. If I claim that you owe me 20$, but I don't have any power to secure that claim (strip you from 20$ by force, blackmail, with assistance of local/international laws or some sort) then what it's worth?

 

[AnnonyBox]

Of course I deserve to die, forgive me if at this point I feel a bit entitled to the sweet release pf death, from the absurdist hell that is life.

 

[RedPanda]

110% YES!

 

[Taki]

Deserves got nothin' to do with it.