• Hey Guest,

    We wanted to share a quick update with the community.

    Our public expense ledger is now live, allowing anyone to see how donations are used to support the ongoing operation of the site.

    👉 View the ledger here

    Over the past year, increased regulatory pressure in multiple regions like UK OFCOM and Australia's eSafety has led to higher operational costs, including infrastructure, security, and the need to work with more specialized service providers to keep the site online and stable.

    If you value the community and would like to help support its continued operation, donations are greatly appreciated. If you wish to donate via Bank Transfer or other options, please open a ticket.

    Donate via cryptocurrency:

    Bitcoin (BTC):
    Ethereum (ETH):
    Monero (XMR):
N

noname223

Archangel
Aug 18, 2020
6,900
There is the fundamental attribution bias. We tend to underestimate the situational factors that drive someone to do something. and we tend to blame mostly one's personality instead.

Hanna Arendt talked about Nazi bureaucrats of concentration camps as Hanswursts. Very hard to translate. Maybe something like a really pathetic average idiot. The banality of evil. We rather think of people like Mengele when we envision evil but there were so many bureaucrats in these camps who just "fulfiled their duties".

For being complicit in a genocide it does not need much seemingly. Even if one is only a small cog in a big, soulles machine.

Personally, I am a very law abiding citizen. I think I never did something like extremely evil. Some would claim being a longterm member on SaSu is really evil.

Would I be able to do something heinous? I think yes. I think if I lived in a fascist country I would not be brave enough to protest. I am such a risk averse person. I would shit my pants on a daily basis. However, I would probably protest in the form of not procreating. I live in Germany and the far right is on the rise. Russia could potentially invade the country in coming decades. We cannot rule that out. They would not want me to procreate anyway. I would be among the first to get killed for being a useless, unworthy of living being.

I think in a situation were I would get tortured or I have to betray someone I would most likely betray someone. I think I am a loyal person. But I don't have what it takes to resist torture. But now when I think about it I went to college 5 semesters, it was torture also the benzo withdrawal. And I endured it. And my whole life is torture. Maybe it would depend on the torture. With psychological torture I would become psychotic for sure. With physical torture cutting off boy parts and shit like that. I would want to avoid that. I think most people say under torture everything just to stop the torture.

Would I be capable to rape or murder someone? I mean under normal circumstances probably not. But in a dystopian future. Where the rule is kill or get killed? I think if there was the option to kill myself I would most likely do that. WIthout my antipsychotics I would be pretty paranoid. Lol. When I am psychotic I am extremely harmless. I am really scared to get touched in this state. But I never was dangerous not at all. During my first psychosis where my family did not know what a psychosis was my relatives were really confused. They noticed I became more and more insane. My fucking sister hit me in the face to get normal again. I never forgot that. This is the abusive behavior that brought me into my current misery. When someone is feeling bad, abuse them. Very smart move. I pray my sister never gets kids. My doctor prescribed me an antidepressant. I told him (I hid a lot) that I fear to lose my mind. He said that is normal for depressive episodes. The antidepressants made my psychosis way worse. But I was still very harmless. I got a little bit aggressive because my mom fed me with these pills. And I think later my mom lied I assaulted or threatened my grandma to get assaulted which is such a bogus lie. I never hurt anyone in this state. And never threatened anything. I am still very peaceful. I am mostly going through hell in this state. I tend to get flirty with women. Lol. (and getting ridiculed for it obviously) Very emotional. Very anxious. But harmless as fuck. I am pretty glad about that. There are people who are a danger for society when they are psychotic. And they get locked away. You don't choose your own delusions. But gladly I could avoid that fate. Most psychotic people are harmless. It is far more often the case they become victims of violence instead of being a perpetrator.

I had this talk with the woman I got intimate with. She was a fan of anarchy. She wa not very interested in politics. And anarchy must not mean total chaos. But she told me something like she can be pretty fucked up. She wished she lived in anarchic world. She would be capable of a lot. I told her I think she has a wrong notion of such a world. There are people out there, no matter how fucked up you think you were, they are way worse. If you grew up in a civilized, wealthy country, you are used to certain standards. If you grow up in a country led by cartells. You have to kill or torture other people to survive. That's a completely different story. I can remember talk in this forum that the Mexican cartell torture videos are the worst. Someone linked a video where the heart of son of a police man was removed while he was breathing. Someone commented he took it like a champ. Gladly, I never watched that. There are monsters in the US and Germany too. But violence is more stigmatized and more civic rules are followed by the majority of people. I think it is naive to think one was equipped enough for such a world.

One side note: I am scared of driving a car. I had some driving lessons but I was not good enough to pass the test. Over the years I became more and more anxious about driving a car. Now I completely fear it. I know my brain and its overthinking. I could imagine I make a major mistake and accidentally kill a couple of people by confusing the brakes with the gas. I know that sounds ridiculous. But my brain is very easily overstrained. I have so many thoughts in my head, I ruminate so much. I even worry about extremely absurd things like peeing myself. Lol. That's one example. But my brain is a labyrinth. I am not a functional person. Sometimes I was unable to speak in college courses without sounding extremely anxious. I ruminated so much how I was perceived that it became obvious I was a mental wreck. I could imagine there is this extremely toxic and paralyzing self-awareness inside my mind when I am driving really fast or if there is a somewhat dangerous situation that my brain simply melts and fries. Knowing if I do one mistake I will get killed or I kill other people and will stay for the rest of my life injured ot spent some time in prison. I am not sure how other mental wrecks do this. But it does not seem to be a good idea for me. Maybe I am overthinking it. My point is: I could do something really evil by accident. One thing to add. I take so much medication.And sometimes I took benzos or z-medication. Shit that sedates you. In case there is a fatal accident I had to prove that I was allowed to drive under these medication. I think they are influencing my mind quite a lot. And it is not like I can choose when I am in need of them. Rambling.
 
  • Like
  • Hugs
Reactions: Anonymousa, GotTheTickets, dhk96 and 4 others
Captain Howdy

Captain Howdy

Member
Sep 5, 2025
52
Every human has the capacity for evil. I know that I'm not an aggressor in the sense of wanting to hurt others. There are a lot of folks who, if they died, I'd be completely ambivalent about it, but I would do nothing to either hasten or mourn their deaths.

That being said, I am a defender. If someone has decided to victimize me, they better be ready and they better hope to high salvation that I don't get the upper hand. The part that scares me is that my "response" isn't always proportionate to the infraction. I know this about myself and so I just try to avoid any situation that is going to be overly dramatic or violent so it has really never been much of an issue.

I really enjoy some aspects of the show "The Walking Dead". The first is obvious... The zombies aren't the problem. The survivors are way more dangerous. Also, as time passes, every new person you meet is exponentially more dangerous. Because they have had to be to survive. Their world gets to the point where "If you weren't dangerous, you couldn't be here". In your example, we are talking about extreme scenarios and any of us put in an extreme scenario could do way more than we think we could/would.
 
  • Like
Reactions: dhk96 and EmptyBottle
trashisland

trashisland

outsider
Aug 5, 2025
140
I think everyone is capable to some degree. most have moral constraints that stop them, but some dont. there is also an interaction between personality and environment which can determine what a person will choose to do, but you can't pin it to one of them. humans are complicated.

bringing up those who only 'fulfilled their duties' is pretty interesting. I remember learning about that in psychology, where a person in an agentic state will be more likely to obey someone with authority. a person wont feel as responsible for their actions because they believe they are just acting on behalf of someone else's orders, so in their eyes their actions could be rationalised as not that evil because they were just fulfilling orders. to me even then thats difficult to understand, but at heart I am a stubborn and anti authority kinda person, so im pretty cynical about obeying authority blindly anyway. still, its a pretty interesting explanation to look into.

as for me, I doubt id be capable of doing anything monstrous. I never feel like I want to hurt others. but if I was ever in a situation where I absolutely had to, like in self defence, I think I could. ive never been in a situation like that, but I always imagined myself being more of a 'fight' person than a 'flight' person. but then again, a person never knows how they'll react until they're actually put into a situation like that, so its hard to say for sure what they'll do. SI is pretty strong in people, so extreme situations may lead to someone doing something theyd never imagine doing just to survive
 
  • Like
Reactions: EmptyBottle
Dejected 55

Dejected 55

Visionary
May 7, 2025
2,644
Maybe. Everyone has evil in them to some degree, to deny that is to deny being human. I don't know where the line is that if I were pushed beyond that would enable or make me to do evil. But I have to acknowledge it is possible, and be vigilant for signs.
 
Pluto

Pluto

Cat Extremist
Dec 27, 2020
6,735
  • Yay!
  • Love
  • Like
Reactions: liquid jen, Irisse, EmptyBottle and 3 others
princexhhn

princexhhn

did i make a mistake?
Sep 26, 2023
473
I don't know, actually. Someone should fuck around and find out! :D
 
  • Like
  • Yay!
Reactions: dhk96 and EmptyBottle
F

Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
15,268
In retaliation- yes. Certain things make my blood boil. If I were to witness them or, were on the receiving end of them- I actually hope I would stand my ground. Even if I'd lose. Of course, I could easily freeze in fear. Not sure I'd go so far as to kill but- I'd want them to experience the fear. Give them a taste of it. As for being complicit and joining in with violence going on all around. I really hope not but, it's so difficult to judge.

But sure, I'm sure I'm capable of horrible things in certain circumstances.
 
  • Like
  • Informative
Reactions: dhk96 and EmptyBottle
INYGTRMTFMO

INYGTRMTFMO

I Need Your Grace To Remind Me To Find My Own
May 1, 2025
209
Most of my darkness is self-directed.

Though I've had brief moments of intense anger at my husband that had me imagining ending his life, just for a spilt second. They're more of intrusive thoughts than any genuine desire, but I do worry about what I'd be capable of if I had ever gotten to a point where I genuinely had nothing to lose.
 
  • Hugs
Reactions: EmptyBottle
Grav

Grav

Elementalist
Jul 26, 2020
879
Yes. More "mean" than monstrous but I doubt it would be much of a stretch. My inner check keeps me from going in those areas, I don't want to.
 
rainatthebusstop

rainatthebusstop

feel free to kill me
Aug 20, 2025
205
depends. most people can commit heinous acts if the situation is dire enough
 
S

ShipSeeksHarbour

Member
Sep 20, 2025
25
Yes in particular circumstances
Out of anger perhaps I'd break, if it was extreme and I was trapped; usually I'd run or merely lash out with words though
 
FoxSauce

FoxSauce

Emotionally unstable like an IKEA table
Aug 23, 2024
1,247
Honeslty if i snap yes.

Everyone is capable of something is a matter of time or idk being pushed around enough.

Im no expert by any means so could be wrong.
 
Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
21,408
Absolutely. I do complete horrible monstrous things without even trying. I have so much hate in my heart as well. My only limiting factors against my potential for causing total devastation are laziness and fear of consequences. Sadly the laziness seems to be waning but at least the fear is still there to save the world from my terrible evil within.
 
Iamatiredlad

Iamatiredlad

Member
Aug 23, 2025
19
Everyone has the equal capability to be evil and monstrous. All of the horrific figures throughout history who committed immeasurable crimes are all equally human as us. It's our ego that leads to the tendency of dehumanizing these figures, it brings the statement 'I could never be like them' when ironically that thought-process deprives yourself of awareness for your ability to do evil.
 
Crash_Bash_Dash

Crash_Bash_Dash

Nothing what I used to be
Apr 23, 2024
116
I would say yes. At least on thought's level. I don't consider myself brave enough to disobey immoral acts when I am threatened with something like torture or painful death et cetera. Also, last year I was having some psychotic, murderous trains of thoughts against my father and mother (who I partly blame for my current situation) and some politicians/officials in my/other countries but I probably wouldn't have had guts or great strategy or power or any other attributes like the jail-time and regret in my parents' case for that to do those things in reality.

But yeah, I would say the dark side of humanity is something to be aware of and you have to be able to get familiar with your inner demons and try to get them in control in every possible situation you could think of which could unleash them from their shackles.
 
Unsure and Useless

Unsure and Useless

Dreaming Endlessly, not Wanting to Wake Up
Feb 7, 2023
600
As with all people, there is a darkness inside me, but I'm pretty sure it's not as capable of violence compared to others. I mean, I'm super out of shape and weak; even if I wanted to, I couldn't substantially hurt anyone unless some outside force literally did 90% of the work for me. In that regard, if I was in a world where I had to hurt someone else and simply offing myself isn't an option, I would do it. This would especially be the case if I simply had to be a bystander rather than a perpetrator. Although, I don't think I'd feel really good about doing either of these. I'd probably do mental gymnastics to justify it to myself

However, I can confidently say that I do carry a ton of hate in my heart. I wish ill deeds occur on those I don't like. "I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy" is a phrase foreign to me because I'm capable of hating someone to the extent that I want them to be so miserable that they dread the idea of waking up alive the next day

If directly antagonized, I don't think I'd do anything drastic though. I'm too physically and intellectually incapable of such things. At worst, I'd vent about them in an anonymous space because I've been raised to fear the consequences of retaliation, but if I knew something bad was going to happen to them, I wouldn't do anything to stop it. I simply wouldn't care. Maybe I'd ensure such evil would occur faster or easier, but afterwards, I wouldn't care. Apathy to any plight they have is my main method of retaliation
 

Similar threads

N
Replies
4
Views
170
Offtopic
noname223
N
N
Replies
5
Views
185
Offtopic
darksouls
darksouls
N
Replies
11
Views
357
Offtopic
herms_sn
H
N
Replies
1
Views
144
Offtopic
Pluto
Pluto