Discussion Do you think we would all be diagnosed with depression if we saw a healthcare professional? (And were honest.)

[Forever Sleep]

I realise that a lot of people here have already been diagnosed with depression and/ or other mental illnesses. I expect others of us feel like we may have depression etc. but are undiagnosed. I believe there are also some members who would refute that they have any form of mental illness.

Maybe I'm wrong but I suspect that the vast majority of us WOULD come out with a diagnosis of at minimum mild depression- more likely- moderate depression- if we went to see a dotor today.

I know from previous experience that they give you a questionnaire (in the UK at least) similar to this one:

Patient health questionnaire

The Patient Health Questionnaire (PHQ-9) is an easy-to-use patient questionnaire for screening, diagnosing, monitoring and measuring the severity of depression.

patient.info

I came out just the same as I did years ago- moderate depression. It's hard to know whether I agree with this because I feel like I've always felt like this. I think it is harder for people who have felt like this long term to accept that something may be 'wrong'. Seeing as there has been no change for us- this is our 'normal' way of thinking. There again- I can't help but notice that the way I see the world is different to the 'normies'- so- perhaps something is different.

How about you? Do you think depression is over diagnosed? The cynical part of me reckons a lot of it is to push pharmaceuticals on people. What do you think? Do you think you are depressed? Would you disagree with the diagnosis if you got it? Did you happen to take the above test? How did you fair?

Just to be clear- I'm not trying to refute that mental illness does exist and that it can be debhilitating. I suppose it's the milder cases I am thinking about. Ones like my own really- where I'm not even sure that I am depressed/ mentally ill- although I'm almost positive that I would be diagnosed as such.

 

[Sluggish_Slump]

Psychology is a soft science, it's really common for misdiagnosis to happen in this field. I definitely think that depression is over diagnosed, and sure - a ton of people would meet the criteria for it, but the problems might stem from bigger societal issues and not individual ones if so many people have it (talking about milder cases like you said)

 

[Spyware]

Depression doesn't exist, but suffering does
Not enjoying life is not an illness
The reason hating life / wanting suicide in most countries is considered a mental illness is because we are walking money, literal resource aka human capital
Currently, only top tier countries like Holland or Switzerland treat people like people, not resource

Antidepressants are pills to kill your brain, make you stupid and happy owning nothing and working till you're 70
Most mental illness diagnoses are designed to gaslight you into thinking something is wrong with you when it's actually the toxic and oppressive society making you miserable, not mental illness

 

[resolutory]

I think I probably would get diagnosed with it but I would never go to get diagnosed and I'd refute any such diagnosis because I disagree with the definition of it being a mental illness as that consequently could potentially rule myself out of getting euthanasia if it were to become available in the future. I find it so stupid that pro-lifers think that people who are depressed shouldn't be allowed to choose to die specifically because they're depressed. Very ill people have been euthanized and pro-lifers have criticized the doctor that did it saying 'This should not have been done because they were depressed!' and I just think 'well, gee, I didn't realise a person with a crippling condition that's in agony should be skipping about and whistling happily'. It's a catch-22 that concerns me. Consequently, I think it would be best to not get a diagnosis, under the current definition of depression.

Took the test and got this:

Haha so yeah, but I've always known I'd probably get diagnosed with it anyway if I was honest.

I just think it's important to clear up the definition and until that's done I'm not going to make myself more vulnerable to pro-lifers.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think I probably would get diagnosed with it but I would never go to get diagnosed and I'd refute any such diagnosis because I disagree with the definition of it being a mental illness as that consequently could potentially rule myself out of getting euthanasia if it were to become available in the future. I find it so stupid that pro-lifers think that people who are depressed shouldn't be allowed to choose to die specifically because they're depressed. Very ill people have been euthanized and pro-lifers have criticized the doctor that did it saying 'This should not have been done because they were depressed!' and I just think 'well, gee, I didn't realise a person with a crippling condition that's in agony should be skipping about and whistling happily'. It's a catch-22 that concerns me. Consequently, I think it would be best to not get a diagnosis, under the current definition of depression.

Took the test and got this:
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Haha so yeah, but I've always known I'd probably get diagnosed with it anyway if I was honest.

I just think it's important to clear up the definition and until that's done I'm not going to make myself more vulnerable to pro-lifers.

I ABSOLUTELY agree with you- who in their right mind WOULDN'T be depressed if they were in incurable pain? I agree- it's ridiculous.

That's the real issue- no matter the problem- physical, mental, situational- if there isn't an adequate solution- even if the person isn't willing to put in the (likely enormous amount of) effort to try to make things better- why wouldn't they be depressed about it?!! Why is it illogical to be unhappy when there either isn't a solution- or the solution requires SO much effort that it doesn't seem worth it?!!

 

[SilentSadness]

I think we'd be diagnosed with "torture subject" for one of their horrendous psych wards. They only ask questions like "do you have suicidal thoughts" and "do you enjoy things" to gauge that you're "depressed" anyway so obviously they will come to that conclusion. I really don't care what I am diagnosed with by some pathetic pro-life health professional, at the end of the day hating life isn't a disease as it really is that bad.

 

[YEAR2050]

when i told my school counselor how i felt, she called my mom who then rushed me to a&e. i got put in psych ward and diagnosed with depression a week or two into my stay. then they put me on pills. its difficult to say if most people here would be diagnosed with depression if they were honest. it depends on so much. not that a diagnosis means anything anyway

 

[Zegers]

I tend to think that depression is a consequence but not the root cause in some people. I took the test, the result was 21 - severe depression.

 

[borderline-feline]

If I was completely honest with my psychiatrist, then I would get my depression diagnosis removed from my record since I don't have depression.

 

[Das Nichts]

According to icd-10 I'd probably get a light to medium depression even with suicidal thoughts.
Looks like I'm still to active and to fat

 

[QiTianDaSheng]

I realise that a lot of people here have already been diagnosed with depression and/ or other mental illnesses. I expect others of us feel like we may have depression etc. but are undiagnosed. I believe there are also some members who would refute that they have any form of mental illness.

Maybe I'm wrong but I suspect that the vast majority of us WOULD come out with a diagnosis of at minimum mild depression- more likely- moderate depression- if we went to see a dotor today.

I know from previous experience that they give you a questionnaire (in the UK at least) similar to this one:

Patient health questionnaire

The Patient Health Questionnaire (PHQ-9) is an easy-to-use patient questionnaire for screening, diagnosing, monitoring and measuring the severity of depression.

patient.info

I came out just the same as I did years ago- moderate depression. It's hard to know whether I agree with this because I feel like I've always felt like this. I think it is harder for people who have felt like this long term to accept that something may be 'wrong'. Seeing as there has been no change for us- this is our 'normal' way of thinking. There again- I can't help but notice that the way I see the world is different to the 'normies'- so- perhaps something is different.

How about you? Do you think depression is over diagnosed? The cynical part of me reckons a lot of it is to push pharmaceuticals on people. What do you think? Do you think you are depressed? Would you disagree with the diagnosis if you got it? Did you happen to take the above test? How did you fair?

Just to be clear- I'm not trying to refute that mental illness does exist and that it can be debhilitating. I suppose it's the milder cases I am thinking about. Ones like my own really- where I'm not even sure that I am depressed/ mentally ill- although I'm almost positive that I would be diagnosed as such.

'severe depression'

What do I win?

More brain melting drugs, I take it?

 

[WorthlessTrash]

I don't have depression. I have a realistic view that my life would be worth living under different circumstances.

 

[Das Nichts]

If I was completely honest with my psychiatrist, then I would get my depression diagnosis removed from my record since I don't have depression.

Why are you doing it the other way around tho ?

 

[borderline-feline]

Why are you doing it the other way around tho ?

What do you mean by that?

 

[TooConscious]

I strongly believe that anyone who doesn't fit the criteria of a mental illness or at least depressed are the truly severely mentally ill. They are brainwashed into an evil state of being and they are responsible for all the suffering in this world. The people who value materialism and televised sports thinking it's an achievement to know every player's name. Call themself a man for it but they can't change a light bulb... And are the first to complain when they are in the dark.

 

[leloyon]

"Nearly every day" for all questions.
I have seen mental health professionals but they have always seemed unconcerned with my issues and tried to argue that I am not depressed, though their reasoning has never been logical and seemed like just an attempt to claim that I am "not sick".

 

[chad2018]

the last time i talked about my SI and wanting to ctb, i was diagnosed with bipolar I lol.
i am a very cheery person normally. i also have ADHD with an emphasis on the hyperactivity. so i don't fit the normal "profile" of a lethargic depressed person because a lot of the time I just look and act like the energizer bunny. it does not change the fact that i am tired of living this life and want to ctb.
i think most people who walk into a drs office and say they have been thinking about suicide, will probably be diagnosed with depression. but there a lot of other psychiatric diagnoses that have SI as a "symptom"

 

[OceanBlue]

I can't help but notice that the way I see the world is different to the 'normies'- so- perhaps something is different.

Yeah, for the most part they lack awareness, forget everything fast, don't have much empathy, don't get stuck on bad events. That is considered 'normal' as these traits make them well-adapted to hell. Everything else is a 'disorder', but I really don't see how they are the sane ones.

Depression doesn't exist, but suffering does
Not enjoying life is not an illness
The reason hating life / wanting suicide in most countries is considered a mental illness is because we are walking money, literal resource aka human capital
Currently, only top tier countries like Holland or Switzerland treat people like people, not resource

Antidepressants are pills to kill your brain, make you stupid and happy owning nothing and working till you're 70
Most mental illness diagnoses are designed to gaslight you into thinking something is wrong with you when it's actually the toxic and oppressive society making you miserable, not mental illness

Exactly, we should really reconsider what we call 'normal' and 'disorder'. The normies who have numb reactions to extreme injustice and happily perpetuate suffering have serious issues, except they are the majority, so it's much easier for them to pathologize more rational views.

Very ill people have been euthanized and pro-lifers have criticized the doctor that did it saying 'This should not have been done because they were depressed!' and I just think 'well, gee, I didn't realise a person with a crippling condition that's in agony should be skipping about and whistling happily'. It's a catch-22 that concerns me. Consequently, I think it would be best to not get a diagnosis, under the current definition of depression.

True, you can get euthanasia if you don't show mental distress, but if you don't have distress - people will doubt your reasons more.

 

[SpiderLink]

I realise that a lot of people here have already been diagnosed with depression and/ or other mental illnesses. I expect others of us feel like we may have depression etc. but are undiagnosed. I believe there are also some members who would refute that they have any form of mental illness.

Maybe I'm wrong but I suspect that the vast majority of us WOULD come out with a diagnosis of at minimum mild depression- more likely- moderate depression- if we went to see a dotor today.

I know from previous experience that they give you a questionnaire (in the UK at least) similar to this one:

Patient health questionnaire

The Patient Health Questionnaire (PHQ-9) is an easy-to-use patient questionnaire for screening, diagnosing, monitoring and measuring the severity of depression.

patient.info

I came out just the same as I did years ago- moderate depression. It's hard to know whether I agree with this because I feel like I've always felt like this. I think it is harder for people who have felt like this long term to accept that something may be 'wrong'. Seeing as there has been no change for us- this is our 'normal' way of thinking. There again- I can't help but notice that the way I see the world is different to the 'normies'- so- perhaps something is different.

How about you? Do you think depression is over diagnosed? The cynical part of me reckons a lot of it is to push pharmaceuticals on people. What do you think? Do you think you are depressed? Would you disagree with the diagnosis if you got it? Did you happen to take the above test? How did you fair?

Just to be clear- I'm not trying to refute that mental illness does exist and that it can be debhilitating. I suppose it's the milder cases I am thinking about. Ones like my own really- where I'm not even sure that I am depressed/ mentally ill- although I'm almost positive that I would be diagnosed as such.

Well, by getting diagnosed you would be receiving help. And u would require to speak up if u wanted an official diagnosis. I've been diagnosed with many things, while being young or just a couple years ago when police were sent to my house and took me to the hospital, if that didn't happen, I wouldn't get the diagnosis and I'd highly be dead.

 

[Punished Mantis]

Yes, it is incredibly easy to be diagnosed as "depressed" so almost anyone who is a failed normie in some regard would have the textbook symptoms for it

 

[illvoid]

Yeah because the DSM is bullshit and the diagnostic criteria is intentionally vague.

 

[I_want_to_sleep]

I show signs of every symptom used to describe depression. I don't feel the need to get diagnosed, it wouldn't change anything anyways, I'd still feel as bad as I did before.

 

[SunflowerBrains]

I feel like society thinks that anybody who has thoughts of suicide are depressed. Sometimes it seems even 'professionals' can't distinguish the two things.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

"Depression" is a wide field of symptoms that are caused by outer influences (stress, fear, environment ... ) I think that most people can be diagnosed with "depression". Only the ones, that really have "no problems", don't have any signs of depression.

I did that test and I'm "moderately severe" even if I'd have no suicidal ideation at all I'd still be "moderate".

From today's point of view (I know what's causing me "depression") I should have seeked "help" over 10 years ago. Maybe then things would look different today.

 

[Thia]

24/27 on the PHQ-9 for me. I remember it being "moderately depressed" when I did the test a few years back.

Just answering "nearly every day" to two of the questions alone ("Thoughts that you would be better off dead, or of hurting yourself in some way?" and "Feeling down, depressed, or hopeless?") will bring your score to 6/27, so I dare say that the vast majority of the people here has the potential to get diagnosed with depression.

 

[iloveeetreeeess1]

It depends, I was diagnosed with depression in 6th grade and put on prozac like a week and a half later, but during my session I lied a lot, because my therapist said if I said anything concerning I'd have to be hospitalised. now my symptoms are remnant of depression but definitely something different than depression

 

[Unsure and Useless]

19/27 on the test, so "moderately severe depression," which is funny since my mother always taught me to do things in moderation and "lay low."

As for your questions, I don't think we'd all get diagnosed for depression since there are various mental conditions combined with outside circumstances that could push a person to want to CTB, but I think a significant amount of us would.

Although, mental illness in general is something abstract. The mind is unique as no two minds function the same way. As such, a "concrete" condition, such as depression, can express itself differently from person to person, but I'm guessing you already knew that. Due to this, other mental illnesses can be misdiagnosed as depression, or the other way around, depression can be misdiagnosed as something else, which is just an effect of trying to put abstract conditions into boxes. In short, I can't really say depression is over diagnosed.

I'm pretty sure I'm depressed, and I wouldn't object if I was officially diagnosed for it. Although, I don't know how I'd deal with the social stigma of having depression.

On one corner, it's glamorized. Some people want to be depressed and quirky, so they act as if it's something to want to have. In reality, it's not anything like that at all. I mean, depression, in combination with anxiety, has sapped out the joy of trying anything new or expanding my horizons. What used to bring me joy no longer does; it's just a dull feeling of what it used to be.

On another, it's shamed. I don't have to get into details since I'm pretty sure a lot of people have met individuals who get up in your face demanding why you'd dare to CTB when such and such.