Discussion Do you think there are good and bad reasons to CTB ? #32

[MeltingBrain]

There are multitudes of reasons people are suicidal . In most cases it's a combination . Do you think there are good and bad reasons (or their combination) that people wish to CTB for ?
Why did you come to the conclusion that you did ?

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[アホペンギン]

No. There is no such thing as a good reason or a bad reason to ctb. Everyone's reasoning to die is valid, no one can handle things the same way. Just because someone can get over something does not at all mean someone else can.

 

[lwlaiet8887]

I respect people's decision to choose ultimately, although I do think it's important to advice people to act rationally and understand how consequential death is. It's not something to be romanticized (not that it can't be for some people unfortunately) If someone truly wants to CBT they're going to iregardless of what people say; which should always be sympathy and hope for the best outcome for them.

 

[duality_]

It's up to each and every individual person... There are no bad reasons.... Only thing I can maybe think of is that it's well thought out, that you've truly contemplated it and came to the conclusion that this is the right choice

 

[FuneralCry]

No, suicide is something that never needs to be justified, to suggest such a thing pushes the view that existence is automatically a desirable state and something of value which to me it could never be.

Suicide could never be "bad" as one cannot be harmed by not existing, all that is bad is as a result of existence, and existence is something very bad, it's the ultimate cause of all harm and suffering with no limit as to how much one can be tormented, I personally see it as better to cease existing under all circumstances because of this.

And death is the most normal thing anyway, we will all die whether there is a reason behind it or not, so I don't even understand the view that ceasing to exist on one's own terms supposedly needs to be justified. Nobody is obligated to continue enduring this existence for even a second longer than they wish to, it's a personal decision when to leave, it's not something for other people to interfere in because of their own personal feelings.

 

[MeltingBrain]

My take :
Human suffering is real , no matter the reason behind it . However the degree of suffering and whether the root cause has a solution in sight or not , is what makes CTB reasons good or bad .

No. There is no such thing as a good reason or a bad reason to ctb. Everyone's reasoning to die is valid, no one can handle things the same way. Just because someone can get over something does not at all mean someone else can.

Every cause may trigger varying degrees of suffering in different people .I certainly see your point and I partially agree.
However it should also depend on whether the root cause is objectively solvable or at least offers hope for the future or not . What if the sufferer can get over things but they don't know or believe in it. eg. Someone just going through a divorce may try to CTB because at that moment it feels like the end of the world , someone talks him out of it. later he cools down, heals and life goes back to normal . Most people don't go through this extreme of a suffering where they try to CTB, this person did, but there was hope for him and that's why his reasoning behind CTB was bad .

 

[Dying Knight]

Some suicides have obviously contrived reasons, such as getting good mark instead of excellent one at a school or a fear of an inadequately estimated future reaction of others on something.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

All personal reasons why someone may consider suicide are valid reasons that can eventually lead to CTB in the end.

 

[lita-lassi]

i wont say theyre outright not valid, i try to not be a judgmental dick like that, but i tend to think impulse ctb attempts should be paused and reevaluated when at least some rationale has returned. deep thought should go to permanent ends to avoid potential regret