tbroken
Wizard
- Feb 22, 2024
- 689
It may be, but it is a huge responsibility...
And I love how you're assuming things about me just from reading 1 post. Never have I ever said anything about taking ppls freedom away. Why would I want that anyway? It's not like we have any freedom to begin with, smhExactly. I love how 90% of the people on a site who are pissed off about getting their rights taken away are for other people's rights being taken away.
Smh
Edit: and that's why we can't have nice things generally
And "rights" which are taken away by any more privileged people are not rights at all.I don't see the contradiction in that. I don't think crackheads should be allowed to purchase firearms, per say. Unreasonable "rights" lead to mayhem.
I didn't assume anything about you, personally. Just making a statement about what I've seen on this site over the last 4 months. Please don't take it personally at all, I'm sure you are a wonderful personAnd I love how you're assuming things about me just from reading 1 post. Never have I ever said anything about taking ppls freedom away. Why would I want that anyway? It's not like we have any freedom to begin with, smh
I hate to say it, but humanity is a lost cause. Honestly though, can we just agree to disagree? I hate politics tbh.And that's why we need significantly better systems to help, support and protect children (all vulnerable dependents). But speaking generally, yes, I firmly believe that all women should have the right to make her own decisions about her own fertility.
And that includes women like myself who had to fight tooth and nail to have a hysterectomy when I was younger because the system assumed I would regret it later on. Spoiler alert: no desire to have children; no more agonisingly painful and scarily heavy periods that lasted for two weeks or longer; no regrets.
It also includes women I know who went through round after round of expensive IVF and so many miscarriages before finally carrying a baby to term. I might privately think they should have adopted but that's my opinion, not my right to make that decision or judge another woman for her choices.
I'm feeling that rnFor my own sanity, I wouldn't be replying to any more comments here. I've played this game before and it doesn't end well. Hope everyone has a great day.
Sorry, I just don't like discussing politics and get rly enraged about it. Thanks for being so nice about it though, I appreciate it :)And "rights" which are taken away by any more privileged people are not rights at all.
I didn't assume anything about you, personally. Just making a statement about what I've seen on this site over the last 4 months. Pleas don't take it personally at all, I'm sure you are a wonderful person
Honestly I agree. I hate politics to begin with, so let's just end the discussion here.For my own sanity, I wouldn't be replying to any more comments here. I've played this game before and it doesn't end well. Hope everyone has a great day.
Yes I hate politics as well and totally agree to stfu about it, sorry and hope you have a pleasant evening/ day.Sorry, I just don't like discussing politics and get rly enraged about it. Thanks for being so nice about it though, I appreciate it :)
Honestly I agree. I hate politics to begin with, so let's just end the discussion here.
Atleast we can agree on something haha XDOn a lighter note, I hate politics so much I got a master's degree in it
Hey, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cause you any harm. I just can't help but get the urge to reply if I rly disagred with something, witch never ends well with how bad I am at containing myself when discussing politics. Even if we disagree, you're still my friend. A single opinion isn't going to change my view on anybody. Is there anything I can do to make things better again? I'm sorry :(Stepping out too. Just spilt my tea and had to stop myself doing an impulsive CTB attempt.
On a lighter note, I hate politics so much I got a master's degree in it
It depends on case to case though. The woman might end up being a wonderful mother that raises 2 kids that never end up feeling suicidal and have a pretty fulfilling lives or it could be a drunk alcoholic mother that neglects the child. I half-agree with anti-natalism but I don't think its the worst thing in the world to reproduce. A lot of people are born into poverty and perhaps are better off leaving this earth of their own volition but shouldn't they be allowed to see if the world is good or for them.So if a woman is a psychopath or a narciccist (not saying the op is one, by any means!), should they still be allowed to choose wether they want a child they can abuse or not? Would that still be morally right? Coz that's practically what you're saying right now. You need to try to see every aspect of things. Besides, how would it be humane for a child to grow up in a society with sky high expectations, messed up mental health system, a government that doesn't give a shit about you etc.?
You ever wonder why ppl get suicidal at the age of 4?
(I'm not exaggarating, read the "when was the first time you felt suicidal" thread and you'll see what I mean)
Doesn't that say anything about society to you?
People want a retirement fund and someone to care and provide for them in old age. They want someone to place their unfulfilled dreams on. They want a trophy to show off to others. Having a child is always for selfish reasons. It's always to satisfy the parents' wants and desires, even if it's to nurture, raise or care for something, it's because the *parent* wanted to. It's never for the good of the child. This is why procreation is selfish and immoral (in my opinion.)no its terrible, and you probably only want to bring a child into this world so you can raise it your way and "prove" that you are a good person because you are somewhat insecure about that
But I dont think anyone should have a say on bringing another human into this world, especially with all the physical problems they could have
also people dont want an actual offspring, they want a vessel of a child that they can look at and go "cuuutteee" and control for their whole lives, and then they gain consciousness and the parents scream at them and abuse them because they aren't what their idea of a "perfect" child is
Also theres the chance that you have twins or triplets or more, which is another thing people don't think about when they only want one baby
Literally. There's no reason to have children that isn't selfish. The most selfish thing is that the child couldn't even consent to being born. It was born because the parents wanted it to be. This violates someone's consent, freedom and autonomy. No one could consent to being born, and this doesn't make it fairI don't think it's fair that one has to go through an entire existence of suffering simply because whimsical women find it endearing. Antinatalism is a matter of ethics, not individual freedom.
Everyone's individual liberty was bypassed when they were brought into existence. No one was able to consent to being born. We didn't even have a choice. The parents made the choice for the child, who cannot consent to it.Yes, antinatalism is a matter of ethics, but personal ethics, and it's upon the individual to make the right choice for themselves. Individual liberty cannot be bypassed when talking about ethics because... where's the ethic in that?
By procreating, you're taking someone else's rights away. *You* are the one choosing to bring them into existence. They can't consent to it, so you're basically imposing existence onto them. Someone wrote a comment how we were all basically existentially r*ped, and this is true. We were all brought into existence without a choiceExactly. I love how 90% of the people on a site who are pissed off about getting their rights taken away are for other people's rights being taken away.
Smh
Edit: and that's why we can't have nice things generally
The term is called spiteful mutantsTo do well while living with a mental illness, you need a stress-free, comfortable way of life.
If someone has a history of mental illness, trauma, abuse, personality disorders, or an inability to support themselves, they should not have children. The best thing you can do for your bloodline is to get a vasectomy or tubal ligation!
The world is not fucked up!
People are fucked up, and they keep producing more fucked up people to perpetuate the generational dysfunction!
Your life may have been terrible but that doesn't mean your child's will be. Especially if you want to give them what you didn't have and you're capable of being a good parent.
I don't hold such views that the world is horrible or that life is horrible. Life is horrible for some people, bad circumstances. Life is great for a lot of other people, good circumstances. I think having a child can bring a lot of meaning to one's life and can provide a source of love and care for someone else. Watching that human succeed, doing your best to make them happy, caring for someone for the sake of wanting to give them the best. I think it is a noble cause and can be beautiful.