Do you need to be impulsive to succesfully ctb?

[never mind me]

In another thread someone claimed that you need a strong reason and impulsiveness to successfully ctb. What do you think? Is it true that you need to be impulsive to be able to make a successful attempt?

I read about attempts of users here who seem to be very impulsive, whereas other people who are less impulsive, but still suffer for years never even make an attempt. But it also seems many of the impulsive attempts are not successful, because people don't do proper research beforehand / don't plan properly and therefore choose methods that are not lethal and/or are found too early.
So for me it seems that being impulsive probably increases the chance to make an attempt, but it can also makes attempts less successful.

I only know one person (outside of SaSu and other online platforms) who ctb. And this person didn't seem to be impulsive, although I didn't know him that well, so it is hard to tell.

Personally I have never made an attempt despite being suicidal several times in my life, the first time lasting for 3 years straight. And I'd say that I only came close to attempting once when I felt extremely guilty for treating my then best friend badly. And I would say that I am normally not impulsive.

But I recount one really weird experience when coming down from a wild mixture of drugs: With some friends I took DOI (a drug that feels a bit similar to LSD at first, but without the mindtrip and then continues to keep you awake for several days like on amphetamines), "acid", that in reality also was DOI, but we didn't know beforehand, so we had a really high dose of DOI and it was the first time we took it. So it was a lot and we combined it with other drugs (partly because we wanted to do that anyway, but later also to counter the effects of the DOI), so we all smoked lots of weed, took lots of amphetamines, lots of MDMA and to top it off one friend and I also took a few pills of DPH in order to be able to sleep after several days, because we didn't have benzodiazepines. But it only caused us to be more confused and still we couldn't properly sleep. In the end of it all I was by myself at home, had slept only a short time after being awake for 3 days and nights straight and felt completely destroyed from this drug binge. Then I read an email from my boy-friend that caused me to be really upset, because he was angry about something.
And then all of a sudden (and despite feeling pretty good in general during this time in my life!) I had this idea that I could kill myself and that I could actually easily hang myself from the bathfroom door in my appartment. And I just went to a nearby climbing shop and bought a piece of rope I could use and tested the set-up. It was all a joke for me in a way. I wasn't really serious about the whole thing. I don't even know why I did it and it is pretty obvious that I wouldn't have done it without taking this crazy amount of drugs beforehand. But at some point during testing the set up when I stood on a stool and put the sling around my neck I slipped and came off the stool with one of my feet. Although I could get back on the stool I decided that this was too dangerous and stopped trying. Afterwards I could never decide, if this situation felt more dangerous than it was, because of the state of mind I was in or if I actually came close to killing myself without even really wanting it. If the latter is true this would be an argument that impulsiveness is the driving force behind ctb attempts more than anything else. Because the amount of drugs I had taken (and lack of sleep due to the drugs) caused me to be a lot more impulsive than I normally am.

 

[sadlyexisting]

In my opinion it is dependent on the method. Especially hanging is a method that's more often than not done out of impulsiveness due to it being the easiest to access.

I knew someone from SS very well who took his life on the 09.05.2024 via Nitrogen (rest in peace my friend), but he was the opposite of impulsiveness. He planned it out for months, getting done paper work, setting up his method and his will. On the day of his ctb he was very calm and collected as he build his setup. He planned it to the last second of his consciousness and seemed totally in a normal, maybe even too calm headspace.

If I needed to come to a conclusion it would probably be that some methods require more impulsiveness than others, but in the end all that matters is a sense of peace with death and a strong determination.

 

[Forveleth]

Absolutely not. I have a few methods planned and, on the day, I will calmly set up everything and kill myself.

 

[kurikaesu]

theres a scene in one of the early Higurashi When They Cry chapters that talks about this and i thought about it a bunch, even after i finished the game. a police officer in the game claimed that depressed people aren't likely to kill themselves because they lacked that impulsiveness that more mentally unwell people have (like BPD for example). I remember reading that and being sorta bummed about it but after some time i did actually attempt, and im only severely depressed, and i'd say i'm not particularly impulsive. take with that what you will

 

[hangtime1000]

I am caught between being impulsive and planning

I have set up a kit for hanging - that will work - but its there so I can use it quickly and in an impulsive way.

I made an attempt when I was in high school - if I was not impulsive I wouldn't have gotten that far

I blacked while hanging and found myself on the concrete floor - thinking I should done a better job planning to tie the rope to a proper anchor

 

[endlesschatter]

Never be impulsive if you wanna be sure that you'll end up ctbing successfully

 

[cantthinkofusername]

iv attempted a lot of times impulsively & it hasnt ever worked i think if youre not impulsive and plan things better you have better luck

 

[Jonah Byrde]

iv attempted a lot of times impulsively & it hasnt ever worked i think if youre not impulsive and plan things better you have better luck

I wonder how much success rate percentages of methods are skewed because of impulsive behaviour.

 

[suncide10]

At least for me it's hard to plan to kms in more than a few days because it makes me very anxious. So I guess I might do it impulsively someday.

 

[valar_morghulis21]

It depends on how someone approaches suicide. I look at methods under scientific lenses, which require precision and efficiency. For hanging and gun method to successfully work, I gotta consider the angle, the projection, other measure so it will hit where it suppose to and not, let say, blow my nose off instead of my brainstem. I can still survive with blood loss and a disfigure face in the future. Or for poison to work then what doses for my height and weight. If it's not correct my organs may be destroyed, yet I remain alive and conscious. Rule out the non-methods like over the counter or slitting wrist. And then the aftermath of my suicide. If I do it in my house, the hazard cleaning crew will go in and sweep everything (rotting body, blood, body excretion, vomit) and my parents gotta deal with house insurance on top of everything else. I guess I can impulsively suicide but then there's gonna be consequences for me and the ones who stay. This is too much of a big decision to do it unplanned. I also suffer years of mental illness, and see life for what it truly is, so my decision to suicide is rational and logical as best as it can be, for me.

 

[mistake22]

In another thread someone claimed that you need a strong reason and impulsiveness to successfully ctb. What do you think? Is it true that you need to be impulsive to be able to make a successful attempt?

I read about attempts of users here who seem to be very impulsive, whereas other people who are less impulsive, but still suffer for years never even make an attempt. But it also seems many of the impulsive attempts are not successful, because people don't do proper research beforehand / don't plan properly and therefore choose methods that are not lethal and/or are found too early.
So for me it seems that being impulsive probably increases the chance to make an attempt, but it can also makes attempts less successful.

I only know one person (outside of SaSu and other online platforms) who ctb. And this person didn't seem to be impulsive, although I didn't know him that well, so it is hard to tell.

Personally I have never made an attempt despite being suicidal several times in my life, the first time lasting for 3 years straight. And I'd say that I only came close to attempting once when I felt extremely guilty for treating my then best friend badly. And I would say that I am normally not impulsive.

But I recount one really weird experience when coming down from a wild mixture of drugs: With some friends I took DOI (a drug that feels a bit similar to LSD at first, but without the mindtrip and then continues to keep you awake for several days like on amphetamines), "acid", that in reality also was DOI, but we didn't know beforehand, so we had a really high dose of DOI and it was the first time we took it. So it was a lot and we combined it with other drugs (partly because we wanted to do that anyway, but later also to counter the effects of the DOI), so we all smoked lots of weed, took lots of amphetamines, lots of MDMA and to top it off one friend and I also took a few pills of DPH in order to be able to sleep after several days, because we didn't have benzodiazepines. But it only caused us to be more confused and still we couldn't properly sleep. In the end of it all I was by myself at home, had slept only a short time after being awake for 3 days and nights straight and felt completely destroyed from this drug binge. Then I read an email from my boy-friend that caused me to be really upset, because he was angry about something.
And then all of a sudden (and despite feeling pretty good in general during this time in my life!) I had this idea that I could kill myself and that I could actually easily hang myself from the bathfroom door in my appartment. And I just went to a nearby climbing shop and bought a piece of rope I could use and tested the set-up. It was all a joke for me in a way. I wasn't really serious about the whole thing. I don't even know why I did it and it is pretty obvious that I wouldn't have done it without taking this crazy amount of drugs beforehand. But at some point during testing the set up when I stood on a stool and put the sling around my neck I slipped and came off the stool with one of my feet. Although I could get back on the stool I decided that this was too dangerous and stopped trying. Afterwards I could never decide, if this situation felt more dangerous than it was, because of the state of mind I was in or if I actually came close to killing myself without even really wanting it. If the latter is true this would be an argument that impulsiveness is the driving force behind ctb attempts more than anything else. Because the amount of drugs I had taken (and lack of sleep due to the drugs) caused me to be a lot more impulsive than I normally am.

I always find myself in this limbo of aanting to ctb but not having the willpower for it but then appreciating life and going around in circles. I think an impulse would be nice to get it over with. Pretty tired of a lot of things.

 

[imagonner]

i think that when its impulsive, its easier to overcome the survival instinct