Do we overcomplicate suicide to help cope?

[DarkShadows]

I feel that we overcomplicate suicide here. Most people in the world use basic methods like hanging which is very simple but you will find hours upon hours of discussions here into methods. This makes me think that much of the discussion could be a way of coping. I find researching and discussing methods comforting. I feel more secure and I'm obsessed with suicide and it sucks not being able to say anything irl. But when the time comes I won't need much information. I have SN but I wouldn't be surprised if I don't use it and end up hanging myself or something else that's common. Having the SN stored away brings me this security.

If I didn't have suicide as an option I would feel way worse as I know that there is a way out for me. I don't have to live for 80 years if I don't want to.

 

[justanotherfailure]

I think coping is definitely a reason for all of the discussion, but overall, I think the primary reason suicide methods are so complicated on here is because people are afraid that their method won't work, that they'll do something wrong, etc.

 

[WishICouldGo]

That's an interesting take. Personally, I think I'm guilty of this to an extent - I find myself spending hours and hours researching, thinking about logistics, the best method etc. and sometimes I think: "this cannot possibly be this hard! I mean, some people kill themselves by accident, so surely it must not be this convoluted".
I will say though, that reading some of the threads on here going into details about certain methods helped me choose my preferred way to ctb and actually soothed some of the fear I had.

 

[ABadPerson]

I feel that we overcomplicate suicide here. Most people in the world use basic methods like hanging which is very simple but you will find hours upon hours of discussions here into methods. This makes me think that much of the discussion could be a way of coping. I find researching and discussing methods comforting. I feel more secure and I'm obsessed with suicide and it sucks not being able to say anything irl. But when the time comes I won't need much information. I have SN but I wouldn't be surprised if I don't use it and end up hanging myself or something else that's common. Having the SN stored away brings me this security.

If I didn't have suicide as an option I would feel way worse as I know that there is a way out for me. I don't have to live for 80 years if I don't want to.

Maybe?

There's also the fear of not going unconscious during hanging, and that a lot of people just simply can't get around the more 'brutal' forms of suicide; it's easier mentally to take a few pills than have the willpower of jumping/tying the noose, not to say it doesn't take a toll either way.

Yeah it can also help with just the fear of the beyond, the process towards it or as you said the fear of no exit which can be seem as coping in some ways but people should at least be allowed that comfort. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[MrBigSad]

SN is the most suggested because of research, or so I'm told. ideally we would go through that " execution method" like lethal injection in the states. but if you're unconscious and like half dead i don't believe you'll care who pulls the trigger.

To me, this random stranger on the internet. If you really want to commit suicide, you'll find a way. it's probably painful, it's probably slow. It's something you might start the process of and then instantly regret.

But to the people, who just don't want to live from the bottom of their hearts, it's a mercy we shouldn't deny them. specially the terminally ill

 

[rainatthebusstop]

Maybe? As some other people have pointed out, there's a lot of fear about fucking up your suicide. Sure, most simple straight forward methods like shooting yourself or hanging will kill you with an over 80% certainty. But to someone whose life is so miserable that they choose to end it, roughly 90% is not enough.
You could still be unlucky. You could still survive that, and your life might just end up being worse for it.

 

[MrBigSad]

Maybe? As some other people have pointed out, there's a lot of fear about fucking up your suicide. Sure, most simple straight forward methods like shooting yourself or hanging will kill you with an over 80% certainty. But to someone whose life is so miserable that they choose to end it, roughly 90% is not enough.
You could still be unlucky. You could still survive that, and your life might just end up being worse for it.

oh you're inconspicuously named like someone who banned me from here before (only temporarily mind, hope she's ok) There's always a way of fuckin it up. There's people who jump off the highest towers known to man and survive, cos a car witg cushioning seats was underneath.

I'm still rambling, i guess we agree on something though.

aim for the stem

 

[mjolnir]

There is a real possibility that you could come out even worse off and with less autonomy from a failed attempt.

 

[MrBigSad]

There is a real possibility that you could come out even worse off and with less autonomy from a failed attempt. It's the reason i got a warning for encouraging. I believe my words where "You don't want to end up a vegetable, so don't fuck it up."

 

[Pale_Rider]

I'll agree. It's a cope. It's a cope for past attempts, and future. It's as if even though I didn't succeed I'm a ghost now. That wonders around contemplating those events.

Yeah it's a decision that shouldn't be taken lightly. I quess many of us may not have made out minds up maybe.

 

[TheFalseWidow]

For me there is a huge fear of messing up and fear of the types of suicide. I've been reading everyone's posts and I'm astonished about how some people prefer hanging and gas over SN. I discovered SN on this site and I was so relieved, I'm not brave enough for the other methods.

It also seems to be such a sure shot, if you mess up the other ways you better be prepared to do it twice because if your life sucked before its going to suck a whole lot worse when people find out.

 

[Pale_Rider]

For me there is a huge fear of messing up and fear of the types of suicide. I've been reading everyone's posts and I'm astonished about how some people prefer hanging and gas over SN. I discovered SN on this site and I was so relieved, I'm not brave enough for the other methods.

It also seems to be such a sure shot, if you mess up the other ways you better be prepared to do it twice because if your life sucked before its going to suck a whole lot worse when people find out.

I feel you on thr methods sentiment. I've seen several SN deaths now though. Worst case they have to endure for tens of minutes. Fighting nasua etc. So I dont disparage those who choose a quicker method. Even if the damage that could be done to the human body is many times worse upon failure. It really is a very personal decision at the end of the day.

 

[ChamberOfEchoes]

I believe there's a reason why hanging is the top choice of suicide in virtually every country in the world except the United States. And there's a reason why hanging was always the top choice in the United States until firearms became easy to obtain. Barbiturates were never the preferred method of suicide in any country, not even when they were readily available to anyone. Those who want to commit suicide are looking for a practical, quick, and painless method. Hanging causes 7 to 15 seconds of pain, while a firearm causes no pain. I fully understand people who want to avoid meat preservatives. 20 minutes of discomfort and anguish are not at all pleasant; something else is better.

 

[rainatthebusstop]

oh you're inconspicuously named like someone who banned me from here before (only temporarily mind, hope she's ok)

weird coincidence. I just picked a name that sounded inconspicious.

There's always a way of fuckin it up. There's people who jump off the highest towers known to man and survive, cos a car witg cushioning seats was underneath.

Yeah 100% are an almost mathematical impossibility because people can't actually control every circumstance and possibility. There's always gonna be a cushioned car somewhere, someone who's just gonna pass by and check-in, something that could potentially fuck up your attempt.
But honestly predicting these factors is a lot like looking at your hand in poker and folding when it's a weak one.

 

[ifihadnever]

Ive overcomplicated things.. ..but also its not something I want to get wrong. I don't want to be an attempt I want it to work so I understand why I've overcomplicated things. I've also been waiting for my will to be drawn up so have lots of time on my hands to go over and over and over the same situation and find every way possible it won't work. Sometimes our minds are our own worst enemies hey!

 

[starboy2k]

i overcomplicate everything to cope

 

[merlinscries]

I honestly just want to be well prepared and I hope(d) to find a method that is "safe". Even hanging isn't 100% safe as I've heard. Additionally, I do not wanna traumatize family. So any method that doesn't cause visible splatter or looks horrendous is good.

 

[conflagration]

There is huge effort required to make method as reliable as possible. If you are fine with the risk of surviving with damage then simple methods are fine too.

 

[4colliez]

One of the first sites I used for research highlighted the fact that people look for this type of information because of the want of dying painlessly. Which I relate to

Like said earlier, extreme methods like shooting, jumping or walking in front of a train are highly affective and often impulsive but they are the most violent. And there's always a chance of surviving and if you do it'll be horrifyingly painful. I think there's also coping. Many people find comfort in the fact that they can die if they choose to, without actually doing it

 

[FuneralCry]

No as the reality is that suicide isn't straightforward at all and I find it terrifying how trying to cease existing can go wrong and lead to way worse suffering, I wish that more than anything there are simple methods as all I want is to never suffer again in this deeply undesirable, torturous existence I just always saw as a mistake and I always suffer so much from existing in this horrific world where painless, guaranteed ways to cease existing are so cruelly denied with the suffering and torture of existing seen as to force and prolong no matter what.

 

[wheelsonthebus]

I feel like it's a spectrum. I can't speak for others, though. I know that in a way I'm coping, but not with some unwillingness to die, just with my own anxiety about living - like others have said, there's real fear that our methods won't work or we'll overlook some important detail and mess it up. There's also the hope, I think, that a better method will spring up. If N came back I'd live a few extra months to access it. But I'm just going to shoot myself. If it wasn't for engaging in a lot of back-and-forth on this site though, I would have shot myself already with a lower caliber, full metal jacket, and may be a vegetable right now - worse than death. I respect that I learn here and don't want to screw myself or others over because I don't know what I don't know. Right now, I'll continue to contribute in my own small way until I can buy a higher caliber I feel confident in. That's a waiting game due to logistics, though.

 

[TheFalseWidow]

I just wish we knew the fatal dose of fentynol and had the means of accessing it. It seems quite pleasant compared to other options.

I feel you on thr methods sentiment. I've seen several SN deaths now though. Worst case they have to endure for tens of minutes. Fighting nasua etc. So I dont disparage those who choose a quicker method. Even if the damage that could be done to the human body is many times worse upon failure. It really is a very personal decision at the end of the day.

Can you tell us how you've seen other SN deaths? DM me if necessary

 

[toskita]

I feel that we overcomplicate suicide here. Most people in the world use basic methods like hanging which is very simple but you will find hours upon hours of discussions here into methods. This makes me think that much of the discussion could be a way of coping. I find researching and discussing methods comforting. I feel more secure and I'm obsessed with suicide and it sucks not being able to say anything irl. But when the time comes I won't need much information. I have SN but I wouldn't be surprised if I don't use it and end up hanging myself or something else that's common. Having the SN stored away brings me this security.

If I didn't have suicide as an option I would feel way worse as I know that there is a way out for me. I don't have to live for 80 years if I don't want to.

I can personally relate to feeling comfort by reading about methods, but also, giving yourself the right to cherry pick the way you want to ctb should be the norm, you only die once, let it be something special that makes sense to you