Corpse Exposure & Consideration.

[color_me_gone]

hotel bathroom instead of the bed and leave a note on the door

I've seen that mentioned on this site more than once.
It is a good idea, and provides advanced warning to what they will come across.

 

[JWL]

I've seen that mentioned on this site more than once.
It is a good idea, and provides advanced warning to what they will come across.

Don't forget to leave a note asking to return the nitrogen tank and get the deposit back...

 

[Jean Améry]

The effect probably in part depends on how much external damage there is (e.g. a heroin overdose vs shotgun to the head) and the stage of decomposition of the body.

I agree one should try to minimize harmful effects on others but imo not at the expense of one's personal safety (i.e. chance of intervention before or during the act). If I were to do it I wouldn't expose family-members to it but I don't see a way of making sure only police or ambulance personnel witness the aftermath that does not compromise my chance for success. Even they may very well suffer PTSD which obviously one can't know beforehand.

Why should we assume police, ambulance personnel and the like are necessarily better equiped to deal with this than the general public? Why would it be the case that having seen 10 dead bodies is somehow less traumatic than having seen one? The suicide rate in cops is pretty high and certainly higher than in the general public so clearly they are not immune to mental suffering and PTSD. I can only assume this would be the same for ambulance personnel as they see a lot of suffering, gore and death aswell.

With suicide there will be consequences for others and I strongly disagree with the train method for this very reason but if one opts for a relatively peaceful method, doesn't involve family or friends and tries to ensure the body is found before decomposition sets in I think one's obligations towards others are fulfilled.

Imo the traumatic aftermath of a suicide including others having to see the corpse is mostly society's fault: if it were possible to do it in a legal, humane, clean, sanitized way this problem would not arise. Since society's doesn't give a damn about us and would gladly lock us up I don't see the problem with a stranger finding one's body. They are part of society which made attempting suicide or even seriously considering and planning it a de facto crime necessitating secrecy and having to hide one's intentions and actions. Others who may not be able to handle it finding the body is one of the unpleasant consequences of that stupid, pseudo public healh policy.

If legislators want to spare the public a traumatic experience in the form of finding the body of a suicide they should do the humane and right thing and make suicide legal so it can be done in a humane manner and it would be easy to ensure the body isn't externally damaged and vulnerable people won't have to see it.

 

[Misanthrope]

There are other threads that explore how you can get frontline services to be the first to find you. If I could edit my original post I would have linked those posts. Those threads cover delayed emails or alternative means. Unfortunately, it seems technology is becoming disturbingly Orwellian in some instances. With its idiotically binary suicide algorithms...

The reason you should go through front line services is that it is part of their job description to be exposed to cadavers at some point. On top of that prior to even having the job, police get psychologically screened. They also have the benefit of foreknowledge. They would know this before signing up for the job in the first place as it an absolute inevitability. Every welfare check can have a corpse at the other end of it. So much so they will have a support network of work colleagues who have experienced the same and the camaraderie that job affords. Have tips and tricks on how to cope with it. Like attending the scene with Vics Vapo Rub. They will have their colleagues to help them through and there are often attached support services within their own departments as well as entire processes around corpses. Some even become entirely jaded to cadavers as it is such a frequent occurrence. They also don't know that person so there is no emotional impact on a personal level. Then they move on to the next call. Well unless they are stuck there for an entire shift waiting for the funerary service to pull its finger out. That is the difference.

The average Joe does not have those luxuries.

I only care about practical reality as it is in the now. Hence my appeal for people to be considerate with their corpse if they can.

 

[JWL]

Imo the traumatic aftermath of a suicide including others having to see the corpse is mostly society's fault:

Self-serving tosh!

It's YOUR responsibility. YOUR choice, and YOUR responsibility.

 

[Lara Francis]

This is an attempt to get you to consider the potential trauma the sight of your corpse can trigger. There is nothing clean or pleasant about dying, and leaving it up to strangers or loved ones to find you is exceptionally cruel and inconsiderate. It is pretty much the textbook definition of selfish, and I know how you all hate that word on here. If you are engaged in rational suicide you should be controlling the factors surrounding your death, including who finds you. The considerate thing is trying to limit discovery down to frontline services that have to deal with cadavers as part of their job description. Even they can suffer the sights they see, so imagine how much more magnified that is to a potential loved one or a stranger who was just going about their day with no expectation of encountering a corpse in whatever state it manifests.

It is a well-documented fact that exposure to a cadaver can cause post-traumatic stress disorder in people. It can leave people haunted with the sight and smells resurfacing, existing on in nightmares long after the encounter. There are plenty on this site with PTSD, and that hell can be a driver of their own reasons to suicide. So I am sure they would not wish it on anyone else. So don't jeopardise the psyche of others in this way. You have no idea who may potentially find you if you leave it up to chance. You have no idea what their pre-existing associations with death may well be already. The minds of others are potentially fragile. So you have a responsibility to minimise potential harm as much as possible.

Even though hotels have policies surrounding dead guest it is still distressing for the staff to walk in on a contorted body leaking excrement down the side of the bed. Some have quit their jobs over it, too scared to want to open another guest room door because of what may lay on the other side of it.

It is the same for train drivers, some become traumatised from seeing people explode giblets across their windscreen and have to quit as a result.

If your loved ones find you they will be left with that final disturbing image, it will contaminate prior memories and images. It will linger the entire way through any grieving process and never be forgotten decades on. Your suicide is potentially going to cause pain anyway, but you should at least make efforts to minimise the trauma as much as possible. You just don't get the sight of corpses out of your head.

It is far kinder on all concerned to try and die somewhere privately instead of publicly.
You may have given up on life but you still have the choice to be considerate with who you expose your corpse too. If it means you have to set up delayed messages to have the authorities be the ones to find you, you should probably aim to do that. If you can reason out your suicide and its execution I don't see why you can't reason out consideration for others as well.

I wish you peace in whatever form that may take.

food for thought.!

 

[Weems]

@EndofMyRope I have also been considering taking a stab at my carotid. What were you planning on using? I was thinking of buying a box of disposable medical scalpels.

 

[JWL]

food for thought.!

I've noticed a massive sense of entitlement amongst many ctbers since joining this site. I'm shocked how many want to ctb and just fuck anyone else who might happen to get in the way.

Hey! It's YOUR ctb, not some innocent other's so plan it responsibly!

 

[toolateforme]

Shit. Talk about Sophie's choice. I either CTB at home and give my parents PTSD, or I CTB at a hotel and my suicide is in the news, which also wouldn't be very pleasant for them. I mean I guess being in the news & shaming my family is better than giving them PTSD from seeing my dead body. Idk.

 

[Weems]

Shit. Talk about Sophie's choice. I either CTB at home and give my parents PTSD, or I CTB at a hotel and my suicide is in the news, which also wouldn't be very pleasant for them. I mean I guess being in the news & shaming my family is better than giving them PTSD from seeing my dead body. Idk.

It was just a stranger, so it's not like I had emotional ties, and I didn't see his face. But let me tell you, coming upon a corpse by surprise is a big deal.

Do everything you can to prevent your parents from finding you. Any other way to let them know.

 

[toolateforme]

There are other threads that explore how you can get frontline services to be the first to find you. If I could edit my original post I would have linked those posts. Those threads cover delayed emails or alternative means. Unfortunately, it seems technology is becoming disturbingly Orwellian in some instances. With its idiotically binary suicide algorithms...

The reason you should go through front line services is that it is part of their job description to be exposed to cadavers at some point. On top of that prior to even having the job, police get psychologically screened. They also have the benefit of foreknowledge. They would know this before signing up for the job in the first place as it an absolute inevitability. Every welfare check can have a corpse at the other end of it. So much so they will have a support network of work colleagues who have experienced the same and the camaraderie that job affords. Have tips and tricks on how to cope with it. Like attending the scene with Vics Vapo Rub. They will have their colleagues to help them through and there are often attached support services within their own departments as well as entire processes around corpses. Some even become entirely jaded to cadavers as it is such a frequent occurrence. They also don't know that person so there is no emotional impact on a personal level. Then they move on to the next call. Well unless they are stuck there for an entire shift waiting for the funerary service to pull its finger out. That is the difference.

The average Joe does not have those luxuries.

I only care about practical reality as it is in the now. Hence my appeal for people to be considerate with their corpse if they can.

Do you remember the names of these threads so we could search for them?

 

[Misanthrope]

Here are two of them.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-found-by-the-wrong-person.12697/#post-255378

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/possible-option-for-delayed-email-ctb-notification.7616/

 

[Apostle]

I will definitely have to look into these. I love my family and don't want to hurt them more than necessary. Even if I worry about screwing this kind of thing up.

I do have a fear of the delicate balance between compassion toward loved ones and maximizing the chance of a ctb working, but I want to overcome that fear and find that balance so I can keep the traumatizing images away from family.

 

[Empty Smile]

My reasons exactly, and why I plan to go deep into the woods.

 

[MeltingHeart]

This is an attempt to get you to consider the potential trauma the sight of your corpse can trigger. There is nothing clean or pleasant about dying, and leaving it up to strangers or loved ones to find you is exceptionally cruel and inconsiderate. It is pretty much the textbook definition of selfish, and I know how you all hate that word on here. If you are engaged in rational suicide you should be controlling the factors surrounding your death, including who finds you. The considerate thing is trying to limit discovery down to frontline services that have to deal with cadavers as part of their job description. Even they can suffer the sights they see, so imagine how much more magnified that is to a potential loved one or a stranger who was just going about their day with no expectation of encountering a corpse in whatever state it manifests.

It is a well-documented fact that exposure to a cadaver can cause post-traumatic stress disorder in people. It can leave people haunted with the sight and smells resurfacing, existing on in nightmares long after the encounter. There are plenty on this site with PTSD, and that hell can be a driver of their own reasons to suicide. So I am sure they would not wish it on anyone else. So don't jeopardise the psyche of others in this way. You have no idea who may potentially find you if you leave it up to chance. You have no idea what their pre-existing associations with death may well be already. The minds of others are potentially fragile. So you have a responsibility to minimise potential harm as much as possible.

Even though hotels have policies surrounding dead guest it is still distressing for the staff to walk in on a contorted body leaking excrement down the side of the bed. Some have quit their jobs over it, too scared to want to open another guest room door because of what may lay on the other side of it.

It is the same for train drivers, some become traumatised from seeing people explode giblets across their windscreen and have to quit as a result.

If your loved ones find you they will be left with that final disturbing image, it will contaminate prior memories and images. It will linger the entire way through any grieving process and never be forgotten decades on. Your suicide is potentially going to cause pain anyway, but you should at least make efforts to minimise the trauma as much as possible. You just don't get the sight of corpses out of your head.

It is far kinder on all concerned to try and die somewhere privately instead of publicly.
You may have given up on life but you still have the choice to be considerate with who you expose your corpse too. If it means you have to set up delayed messages to have the authorities be the ones to find you, you should probably aim to do that. If you can reason out your suicide and its execution I don't see why you can't reason out consideration for others as well.

I wish you peace in whatever form that may take.

ahhh spoken from a George Carlin fan of couse! of course.