NeverReallyHere
Student
- Mar 15, 2021
- 101
I don't want to seem like I'm having a go or anything, but are you really unable to see the clear ethical difference between taking one's own life and taking someone else's?
I wish my parents killed me before let say before 4 years old , you don't really know you are alive. You are not self aware yet.
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IWishToDie
I check notifications once per week
- Dec 31, 2023
- 480
My response is quite short and simple, to decide the fate of others is to take that decision out of their hands and into your own it would be no difference from someone stopping you from making your choice to exit this world and keeping you here for their own reasons no matter how much you are suffering, can anybody on this forum agree that this is what they would want, I very much doubt it as we ( or most of us ) are here because we at least have that choice and are free to do so.
DeadManLiving
Ticketholder
- Sep 9, 2022
- 284
The condrumn you found yourself in philosophy of antinatalism is the decision you may have made to spawn sentient entities, children, into this world without their anticipatory consent or agreeing to their existence in the world that you have brought them into and the household they won't or are being raised in. Under social contract theory, you are obligated to be a parent and protect your children and family from harm, while preserving and respecting their free agency and autonomy.
You cannot discharge or rescind your obligations by foreclosing their lives by force or compulsion against their will under the premise that you believe that they would be better off dead, because you no longer own their lives and cannot lay a claim on their lives in depriving them of their liberty in the pursuit of their happiness, peace or freedom.
You cannot discharge or rescind your obligations by foreclosing their lives by force or compulsion against their will under the premise that you believe that they would be better off dead, because you no longer own their lives and cannot lay a claim on their lives in depriving them of their liberty in the pursuit of their happiness, peace or freedom.
The way you call your potential children your seed is dehumanizing and awful. They're sentient beings once you've brought them into this world. Treat them as such. They deserve to make their own choice on wether they want to live or not. You don't get to take that away from them.
Adûnâi
Little Russian in-cel
- Apr 25, 2020
- 1,024
Anti-natalism is too late when the belly-dwellers have hatched, it's pro-mortalism time here (xd).
(I have translated an abominable Russian term пузожители.)
Celerity
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- Jan 24, 2021
- 2,733
Killing yourself is not at all like killing someone else aside from the verbiage. I genuinely don't understand how you can't see that. How could I possible be pro-choice and think I have a right to make that decision for someone else?
Sleeper System
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- May 5, 2022
- 775
That's your opinion. In some countries it's illegal to attempt suicide. The punishment is near the same as trying to murder someone else. The difference is that if you succeed in suicide, there is no one to prosecute.
I know what you're trying to get at and yes technically it's a little different but murder is stealing and destroying a life. Even if it's your own. I agree it's wrong. I'm just saying i can't fully condemn it because I could understand.
Adûnâi
Little Russian in-cel
- Apr 25, 2020
- 1,024
It's all nonsense anyway, good luck trying to rationalise this absurd existence. Human rights my ass. "Justice of the grave" © Arthas Menethil the emo king
Celerity
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- Jan 24, 2021
- 2,733
My belief that murder is wrong is an opinion. Saying murder is acceptable is a logical contradiction of being pro-choice. Nothing you have shared here refutes that. Whatever your position on suicide, pro-choice isn't it. That is why you are getting such strong pushback here aside from the obvious.
Sleeper System
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- May 5, 2022
- 775
When did I claim to be pro-choice? Your entire point is lost if that's your foundation.
I only said that I can understand why someone would do it. Not that I would or could or want to.
It's not the sound thinking of someone being rational. but the flawed prospective of someone broken.
A human being trying to justify something in this absurd world.
Celerity
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- Jan 24, 2021
- 2,733
What then do you think gives you the right to kill yourself? Or is morality not even a consideration?
Sleeper System
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- May 5, 2022
- 775
I don't believe you need the right to do anything you want to do. If you want to do it then do it. We live in a world of actions and consequences and you will be judged based upon the current societal structure. That has never stopped anyone from doing anything in this world. It has however caused regret after the fact.
Celerity
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- Jan 24, 2021
- 2,733
I disagree with you. Guilt (or the ability to feel it) is the foundation of morality. The Catholics have it right for once. It has definitely stopped me from doing what I want. The fear of facing judgment has too. So you are essentially arguing for amorality. Yeah, the vast majority of people will never agree with that.
Adûnâi
Little Russian in-cel
- Apr 25, 2020
- 1,024
Guilt is only an emotion that happens in Western Eurasia among Christians. The Japanese will fuck you up as long as they are anonymous and won't suffer a hit to their reputation. And moralities are different all around the world. In Kenya, it will be considered evil NOT to mutilate your child. Humanity can go fuck itself. Along with the rest of the animal kingdom, I don't discriminate.
Celerity
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- Jan 24, 2021
- 2,733
We all may have different practices and beliefs, and guilt may play a larger part in some morality systems than others, but I have never heard anyone claim that guilt isn't a universal emotion - with the notable exception of psychopaths. Even if I accept that the Japanese feel more shame than guilt per se, I still don't see how they could possibly be considered amoral.
Sleeper System
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- May 5, 2022
- 775
Guilt comes after the action doesn't it? People often say " I'd feel guilty doing that." referring to what they think they'll feel when all is said and done. but what if there is no AFTER for you to feel guilt about? Everyone is dead and no one is bound by any conscious.
Celerity
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- Jan 24, 2021
- 2,733
It is the ability to feel guilt or shame that motivates one to behave morally when they otherwise wouldn't. Do you feel guilt? No amount of telling myself that I'll never feel guilt again (because I'd be dead) would be enough to assuage my feelings of guilt. Even if I knew the day and the time down to the minute that I would die, it's not like guilt would suddenly become irrelevant. It's instinctual. You either feel guilty about the idea of hurting others, or you don't. My concern for others would not even allow me to contemplate the idea of killing my family before I die. It's not even an idea that's on the table. In that case, I guess we should speak more of desire. What could possibly motivate a sane, moral actor to do such a thing? I can't think of a motive that could possibly make sense.
