Method Carbon monoxide megathread

[hdead]

Lo entiendo, pero lo único a lo que tendría acceso es a una tienda de campaña; no tengo nada más.
¿Qué consejo me puedes dar?

I can't tell you anything else than I already did. Sorry. Wish you all the best.

 

[DeathfulEnd]

Anyone with the knowledge know If maybe a riding lawnmower in a shed with the doors closed would work. Not hermetically sealed but closed up.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

I've been thinking on this method, especially the failures and the reasoning behind them. Also trying to figure out why people get an easy exit with CO by accident, and fail when trying to do it with the intent to CTB.

Before I write this; I am not trying to encourage anyone to go on with this method. I'm sharing my findings, my thoughts and my explorations thusfar for 'entertainment purposes'.

People have been going nuts, in this thread and others, about getting the highest possible CO concentration so they get to pass out and die quickly. I don't think this is the way to go.

When people die on accident by CO poisoning it's likely that the concentration isn't all that high and they slip away due to a prolonged period of time in an environment with moderate CO levels. There are many sources and charts that contradict, but it is likely that CO can become fatal from as low as 500ppm, when exposed for a few hours. The trick is to breathe in CO, no matter how much, for long enough. Once it binds, it's bound. The rest added on is compounded and it will build it in your system. In accidental cases I cannot imagine the amount of CO is very high, as onset of symptoms is usually described as slow, flu-like and drowziness. Not extreme enough for people to become alarmed, but enough to make them want to go to sleep. Our catch is; we do not want to be found in time.

You also have to take into account the mechanism of CO production and burning in general. CO is produced by incomplete combustion. But, for combustion to even occur (complete or incomplete) there has to be oxygen. If you push up the CO levels in a sealed room quickly, I think it's rather likely that oxygen becomes depleted rather fast causing the combustion to cease thus stopping the creation of any new CO.

For CO to work there is actually no need to get rid of any oxygen. CO does not change into CO2 by simply coming into contact with oxygen. It needs some spark, or thermodynamic catalyst for it to convert into CO2 when reacting with O2. Read up on catalytic converters, they are made for this purpose. At room temperature, or slightly above, the CO bond won't break and the gas will remain intact. The oxygen content within the burning coal is already low enough (dense coal, stack, etc), and that is where the CO is produced. CO binds a lot more effectively to hemoglobin than oxygen does, so if the two are mixed in an atmosphere there should be no problem. I think the failed attempts are most likely due to the source of CO becoming extinguished either due to oversealing or improper/irregular burning of coals. I'm not going into the acid mixing method; it seems far too dangerous, uncomfortable and complicated for me. I'd rather go about and finding a way to replicate the accidental CO poisoning.

I think it's not essential to drive up CO levels to an insane amount. It will cause shock, and it will likely cause SI to kick in, making it hard to go to sleep naturally. You'll be awake to experience the CO poisoning knowing your goals. Even if you try to simulate a more accidental environment, for example with a propane heater/bbq/improper fireplace setup inside; if you do it with the knowledge that you're intending to CTB I think it's going to be tough to go to sleep as if you'd normally do. Again. SI will likely kick in and make you anxious. That's why people will use alcohol or sleeping pills to help them fall asleep in such an environment, with the hopes of not waking up. However, there are a few case studies that show alcohol/ehtanol actually improve your chances of surviving CO poisoning. So, when I attempt this I will NOT be drinking alcohol.

If you were to use a sleeping aid you must take into account that it slows your breathing. Normally an adult will breathe about 12-20 breaths per minute, also during sleep. Anything lower than 10-12 is considered unhealthy and is associated with some form of apnea or other condition. With prescribed doses of benzos your anxiety will be dampened and breathing should not be affected. In higher doses, or combinations of benzos, your breathing potentially slows down to 4-5 breaths per minute. It doesn't take a wizard in maths to realize that you'd need 2 to 3 times the amount of time of exposure to CO to reach deadly levels. Therefore, overdosing on benzos while trying this method will likely help you fail it drastically.

I'm thinking that a combination of natural CNS (valerian, passionflower) combined with a healthy dose of sleep depravation and maybe 10-20mg of valium should do the trick if you want to CTB more or less reliably with this method. If you can create an environment that produces sufficient CO for long enough you don't need to have these crazy high PPM to CTB. You just need a long enough exposure for the CO to slowly build up and off you. This is probably why people die on accident with faulty geisers, fireplaces or bbq's inside the house.

I've ordered 20kg of marabu charcoal which has a carbon content of at least 75%. Sources differ when it comes to burn time, varying from 4-5hrs all the way up to 12-15hrs. I intend to test this before I even go for a serious attempt. Sufficient oxygen in the room is not going to be a problem. CO is produced within the coal stack itsself, that's where a lack of oxygen comes into play. With dense coal, this should not be a problem. The rest of the room isn't the issue. Sealing the room should also not be necessary. Considering you're close enough to the source of CO you're going to breathe it in. If it burns for long enough it will produce CO for a long enough time and you'll likely breathe in enough to CTB. It's all a bit of a gamble, of course. Sadly, there are no certainties. If there were, I would be taking it every single day. Anybody got a reliable source of barbiturates already?! ;)

You can't really try this stuff out - but if you look at the succesful cases it's unusual to see people taking in a lot of charcoal. It's usually a few bricks, one bbq, one heater, or something like that (talking accidental cases and intentional CTB cases). If you were to seal off a confined space hermetically, the oxygen would be depleted faster and more effectively, thus stopping combustion all together. To stop combustion is to stop the production of CO and minimizing the amount of time exposed to this fine gas. I reason that the ultimate trick to this method working is to create an environment that is not well ventilated, neither hermetically sealed and to make sure any CO produced passes you before it dissipates. Put the source close to yourself and make sure it can keep burning for hours on end. This would likely help you to succeed. I think nobody would feel comfortable waking up in a miserable state - which is totally a possibility. Because of that I can imagine why people romanticize the idea of pushing the CO limits to a level of 10000+PPM, but it's just not proving to be either easily achieved and certainly not easily maintained.

In short; get yourself a nice cold house with small rooms and convince yourself it's a good idea to bring a BBQ with smokeless coal inside to heat yourself up. Get cosy, don't drink alcohol. Favor chamomille/valerian tea with a single or double benzo. Doze off and hope for the best.

Taking benzos is a risk. I take them myself on a daily basis and in the beginning I did stuff I couldn't remember, even though I went to bed straight after taking them. My mother took a benzo once, but didn't go to bed right after. She acted like she was high and couldn't remember anything the next day.

With a high enough ppm (12.800 = 1,28% CO) you'll be out immediately, avoiding the splitting headache that can come with CO poisoning, and dead within 1 to 3 minutes. Instead of 'hoping for the best' I'd invest in a decent CO analyser (up to 10.000) and be (almost) sure.

 

[hdead]

Taking benzos is a risk. I take them myself on a daily basis and in the beginning I did stuff I couldn't remember, even though I went to bed straight after taking them. My mother took a benzo once, but didn't go to bed right after. She acted like she was high and couldn't remember anything the next day.

With a high enough ppm (12.800 = 1,28% CO) you'll be out immediately, avoiding the splitting headache that can come with CO poisoning, and dead within 1 to 3 minutes. Instead of 'hoping for the best' I'd invest in a decent CO analyser (up to 10.000) and be (almost) sure.

You won't be ablo to go from 0% in to 1.28% CO without going into complete shock, however. I understand why this method would seem alluring, I just don't think it's all that valid.

I am taking benzos right now and even though I am starting to have some minor memory loss I'm not finding myself doing dumb shit. The only thing I worry about is that I'd know that I'll be going to bed with the intent of not waking up. My subconscious might take over while asleep. We'll see when we get there..

 

[kurgan]

You won't be ablo to go from 0% in to 1.28% CO without going into complete shock, however. I understand why this method would seem alluring, I just don't think it's all that valid.

I am taking benzos right now and even though I am starting to have some minor memory loss I'm not finding myself doing dumb shit. The only thing I worry about is that I'd know that I'll be going to bed with the intent of not waking up. My subconscious might take over while asleep. We'll see when we get there..

Shock, so what? Your brain loses the capacity to register it pretty quickly, around a minute.

 

[hdead]

Shock, so what? Your brain loses the capacity to register it pretty quickly, around a minute.

A minute is a long time in those circumstances. Don't underestimate your SI.

For example; hanging is pretty peaceful. You just kind of black out if you do it right. It takes 10-15 seconds. But, if your SI is strong enough those seconds are more than long enough for you reptile brain to interfere.

Don't underestimate the conditions. Writing and talking about it, fantasizing, is one thing. Actually visualizing yourself in the situation, or putting yourself there (I've been there) is a whole different ballgame. All of a sudden your terrible life seems like a better option than ending it all. I for one am clearly doomed to take it day by day until I really break or can't take it no more. I thought I was sure I wanted to end it, but I am not. Yet.

 

[kurgan]

Don't underestimate your SI.

Of course SI can stuff things up no matter what method you choose.

 

[hdead]

Of course SI can stuff things up no matter what method you choose.

Surely. I just think if you go the lengthy route, you'll become nice, cozy and sleepy and just pass in your sleep - like so many seem to do on accident. It's the getting to sleep part with the knowledge that's the issue. Maybe music, drink and some anxyiolitics in that case. Not too much though. :)

 

[kurgan]

Surely. I just think if you go the lengthy route, you'll become nice, cozy and sleepy and just pass in your sleep - like so many seem to do on accident. It's the getting to sleep part with the knowledge that's the issue. Maybe music, drink and some anxyiolitics in that case. Not too much though. :)

A prolonged journey over many hours doesn't sit well with me. More chance of being discovered, battling si will be longer, the massive concentration leeway wont be there, possibly only being high enough to cause brain damage, whereas fading out in a 10,000-plus environment, you will have peace of mind death willl be inside 5 minutes.

 

[BPDvic]

What kills me (no pun intended) are the stories of people dying from carbon poisoning as a result of forgetting a small amount of coal inside a poorly made tent. And we are here endlessly planning.

 

[hdead]

What kills me (no pun intended) are the stories of people dying from carbon poisoning as a result of forgetting a small amount of coal inside a poorly made tent. And we are here endlessly planning.

Yeah, it's almost funny isn't it.

 

[Cat-soul]

No puedo decirte nada más de lo que ya te dije. Lo siento. Te deseo todo lo mejor.

Hilo 'Ayuda con CO ctb' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/help-with-co-ctb.247936/

Hola, disculpa si no es mucha molestia, ¿podrías echarle un vistazo al hilo que publiqué y darme tu opinión? Te lo agradecería mucho.

 

[Ima-username]

sorry but this mega thread seems sooo disorganized and then people go off talking about acid and zinc as other ways to make CO to throw the thread in other directions.

is there a TL;DR for the 75 pages here.

Some tent and noting something about the fabric being too thin and the CO venting through the fabric. need more details there. single skin? tents have skins now? that we also need to tape up?
Heat issues. Make sure to let the coals get cold ish so you can place your hand 12inches over without it being too hot
a second steal bucket to dump the coals into and one of water in case of fire
a chimney starter and making sure the coals go grey
not using any fire starters
not sure about how much coal i need for what size
how does it feel
how long does it take

im trying to put things together in my mind but i just want a TL;DR run down

 

[isthisthingon]

sorry but this mega thread seems sooo disorganized and then people go off talking about acid and zinc as other ways to make CO to throw the thread in other directions.

is there a TL;DR for the 75 pages here.

Some tent and noting something about the fabric being too thin and the CO venting through the fabric. need more details there. single skin? tents have skins now? that we also need to tape up?
Heat issues. Make sure to let the coals get cold ish so you can place your hand 12inches over without it being too hot
a second steal bucket to dump the coals into and one of water in case of fire
a chimney starter and making sure the coals go grey
not using any fire starters
not sure about how much coal i need for what size
how does it feel
how long does it take

im trying to put things together in my mind but i just want a TL;DR run down

I don't think there is a TLDR version of the pages. Search for Zanexx's thread if you haven't already. They succeeded and pretty much gave a play by play that wasn't overly complicated.

 

[Ima-username]

I don't think there is a TLDR version of the pages. Search for Zanexx's thread if you haven't already. They succeeded and pretty much gave a play by play that wasn't overly complicated.

thanks hes made lots of posts did he end up with the Regatta Malawi in the end or some other one? im also in the uk like he was

my main question is briquettes or normal charcoal and the volume needed. just whatever fits into the chimney starter and dump that into a bucket when ready right?

 

[marleybarley]

@iamsotired25

 

[isthisthingon]

thanks hes made lots of posts did he end up with the Regatta Malawi in the end or some other one? im also in the uk like he was

my main question is briquettes or normal charcoal and the volume needed. just whatever fits into the chimney starter and dump that into a bucket when ready right?

That's what they did. They showed it really doesn't have to be all too complicated with testing meters and all the extra practice runs. They didn't overthink it and made a heroic effort.

 

[Cat-soul]

I need help please Thread 'Help with CO ctb' https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/help-with-co-ctb.247936/

 

[RKKS140]

Good evening, I'd like your opinion on my plan.

I've chosen carbon monoxide as the method because it is painless (or nearly so).

I plan to do this inside a tent, as mentioned in other posts. I'll use a bucket filled with embers—specifically, ones that have turned mostly gray—to avoid starting a fire.

Do you have any advice on the type of charcoal to use?
Should I add liquid fire starter or not? I seem to recall reading that I shouldn't, and I'd like to know why.

Modern tents often have multiple vents, so I plan to seal them off with strong adhesive tape.

I'll have a glass of wine and a bite to eat while the embers cool down.
After that, I'll place the bucket inside the tent and go to sleep. What do you think of the plan?

 

[lassmonkey]

So was thinking of a large gas heater that runs off a large gas bottle. This seems to kill people all the time as they use them in an unventilated room. Maybe these are not common in many countries?!?

Something like this
Portable gas heater with three ceramic burner gas heaters for hotels and commercial establishments and restaurants - AliExpress 15


Was going to do it in my bedroom, it's a new apartment, should be quite easy to make it airtight! Figured I shouldn't need to do anything special any thoughts?

 

[brokennsad]

its been hard to access, especially now that dsl is down. Im planning on doing co in my garage.

Too large of a space, it didn't work 4 me in a 4x6x8 enclosed bathroom etc

Yeah, if I decide to go this route I'm surely doing it inside a small room. Not even sure if I'm going to tape anything off. Just going to make sure that the coals are sufficient and burn for long enough, and be close to them. Oh yeah, no drafts. A lack of decent ventilation should be more than enough to do the trick. Prolonged exposure is the way to go, in my humble opinion.

Tried it for 6hrs, did t work

 

[kurgan]

Too large of a space, it didn't work 4 me in a 4x6x8 enclosed bathroom etc

Going off his last message, looks like it worked for him.

 

[brokennsad]

Going off his last message, looks like it worked for him.

What was his last message? Didn't see it

 

[kurgan]

What was his last message? Didn't see it

Tap his name and previous messages will show check last one.

 

[kurgan]

Tried it for 6hrs, did t work

Its why a co analyser is a must with this method

 

[brokennsad]

Its why a co analyser is a must with this method

Yeah but I used more than enough coals, more than 1/4th bag of kingsford enclosed very small sealed space. The guy in the hotel bathroom who ctb used like 10 burquettes in a tiny dish. Other cases are in their apartment which is large unsealed space n prob very high ceiling n it killed one.
Wtf man. Sick of this mfucker life
Gas released in rhe same bathroom would have been n still xan be more effective for me

 

[Happinessisasmile]

I didn't read every response to this thread. car CO won't work. A small engine will do the trick. Like a gas generator or any small gas engine without emissions. Most motorcycles don't have them either, run in an enclosed garage or shed. Idk if I'm breaking the rules by sharing this knowledge. I almost did it accidentally when I was really young. Before my suicide ideology/CTE. U basically fall asleep. Some choking/coughing. "The fortress crumbles from inside, no fix when you're building on the broken"

 

[brokennsad]

I worked with these. The calibration gas is a very low ppm for safety reasons. It's used to calibrate CO detectors that are widely used in petrochemical industries. Even if you were able to get a 20%/80% CO/NO2 tank I highly doubt you'll be able to create a high enough concentration with it.

Charcoal, however, can produce copius amounts of CO when in the right state, quickly creating an atmosphere that has a high ppm (5000-10000) which will be very effective.


I think it's because SN is quicker, more direct. CO takes patience. You have to prep a lot, and wait for the coals to be in the right state - which takes hours. You'll have a lot of time thinking about what you're doing and you can't do it in your bedroom. You'll likely be in a (somewhat) public area. It's just a competely different ballgame. Also, if rushed and improperly prepared, the CO method will not work. You'll have to test and make sure you can get the concentration high enough, quick enough. Otherwise you might be in for a nice splitting headache for a day, maybe two.

I've seen people writing about CO being heavier than air. This is not true. CO is slightly lighter than air - so the buildup will start higher up in the confined space until it makes it's way down. Something to take into consideration. Also takes a bit of calculation to get it all right and if you want to be 100% sure you'll need to do a testrun, preferably with a somewhat relialble CO meter.

You're right bout co being lighter than air, making it very tough to get space filled with lethal level thats why i kept posting about argon. It a low-lying gas, sitting in the confined space would do the trick imo.

 

[shadowlove]

I really would like to die in this way but I have not the resources and I barely know how to do it.

我也是

 

[Jane99]

I tested the little round stoves everybody is saying are ideal for lighting up charcoals briqs and found them wanting. Now, I own a large fireplace with a cast iron heat retainer which I can use for comparisons, and I have been using diverse grates inside that on which I collected the briqs, to be ignited by a mix of those little paraffin/"eco"-sawdust cubes they sell as firelighters... ample of those underneath the entire space that the briqs take [about two inches above], needs about three parcels of 32 firelighters, and I filled the spaces with wood pellets - you know the stuff. The pellets will make sure the entire setup burns for about ten minutes rather than just five with the firelighters, so as to make sure that the briqs above start to really burn, ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
The paraffin cubes turned out to be of very unreliable quality, some are rather hard to ignite, [have to test them every time as each packet is different] so it's a good idea if you light this flammable square, under the grid with the briqs, at its four edges, put in an extra lit cube in the middle and then spray it all a bit with methanol so it starts up politically correct in an egalitarian, postmodern way - best AFTER you put the grate with the coals/briqs on top cause it gets hot fast. I get 5 kgs of briqs done like this equally in twenty minutes inside the fireplace, wait another 10 minutes to be sure, then shut off the chimney and open the glass door... zoom.
For comparison, the little metal stoves - you can fill them up with 2 - 3.5 kgs maybe and then you better make sure it really burns underneath... don't just rely on paper. I filled one up to tops and watched it, and it took real long, you could watch it CREEP up from below - I finally took off a layer of about two inches of briqs from the top because this was taking too long for my taste, at 45 minutes. Coals were still burning at the top at 55 minutes but *almost* grey when I put them onto the grill to watch them further. So they burned out on the grill within two, three minutes and glowed nicely and after 70 minutes, the first ones fell to ashes, after 80 minutes 2/3rds of them were gone...
What I'm saying is that when it takes 45 minutes to light up the top coals of the 3 kilos, the lower ones will have almost burned out and you really have only about 20 minutes max left to be sure of your CO effect. I think this may be the reason why so many people fail - If you need more than 2 kgs, the method is just NOT optimal. It's not like, uh, grilling a piece of meat... so what I would do is spread the coals/briqs out one high, or two max as described above and light them in a regular way from directly underneath.
I will personally use the fireplace with 5 kgs, the grill with 3, and I have 10 liters of acid that I'll mix in a metal jerry can in the bathroom [the metal ones can be closed hermetically], from which a 1" 5m garden hose leads to a 20 l plastic jerry can in the small living room with the fireplace (which is btw much too large for the room as such). The plastic jerry can is for filtration and holds a washing system consisting of rock wool mats with water and a layer of pulverized coal on top so as to take care of the acid fumes. I have about 40 cubic meters of air in the small living room and I gather this setup will suffice ;)

But through my little researchyou shouldnt use any accelerant because it effects the CO Just use paper