Method Carbon monoxide megathread

[Lifeispointless]

This is for the people that don't feel like going through the entire thread and if you plan on doing the co method. I will describe the simplest method that is the most readily available. You will need a bag of charcoal (preferably royal oaks briquettes), a chimney starter, a match or lighter (if you can use newspaper to light the charcoal), a tray or disposable bbqs (you really just need something to put it in so that the coals aren't piled on top of each other in order to produce the most co), and most importantly you need somewhere to do it. It seems the best place to do it is in a sealed off car or sealed off room. You can use a tent but they are not as reliable as a car or room. Now I know that sounds like a lot of stuff but it's really not as complicated as it sounds once you actually do it. What you need to do is light up around 2-4 pounds of coals in the chimney starter and wait until they turn white and are glowing. I've been researching this and depending on the coal this can take anywhere from 30-60 minutes. Right after you do that, dump the coals onto your tray or disposable bbq and put them in your area of choice (Yes the coals need to be hot when you put them in the area and it is going to get hot in there so it is preferred to do it in cold weather if it's in a car or tent but fine if it's a room.). And there you go. That's the co method. Some things you should know about doing this if you don't have anything to put yourself to sleep fairly quickly once you get in you can let the coals sit in the enclosed area for around 20-30 minutes to build up co and then get in. This method has had a lot of documented failed attempts so before you just go and do it you should probably buy a co detector and do some tests first. You should make sure that the co levels stay above 800 ppm for at least 3 hours. 800 ppm at 3 hours is lethal so if you get this then you're all good. But if you do it right it should go way above this for way longer. In order to get the best results you should use as much coal as possible. 2-4 pounds might do the job but if you want to ensure success you should probably do 8-10 pounds. That's what I plan on doing.

 

[vodolazkiy12]

Also don't leave coals in the charcoal burner. You need to tip them into another container

What would be safe to put them in? So I can't leave them just in the charcoal grill to do it?

 

[Mr blobby]

Stupid question. But how do you make sure the place don't burn down after the deed is done?

 

[cambrai33]

Stupid question. But how do you make sure the place don't burn down after the deed is done?

I have bought some fire blankets for the immediate area and a ppm meter which has a temperature gauge on it. I will have a couple of rehearsals first to see what's is likely to happen and in the case of potential fire be able to prevent. By the time I go for the actual ctb I think I should have a good idea of how things will happen and just add myself into the scene

 

[Braindead Atheist]

This is for the people that don't feel like going through the entire thread and if you plan on doing the co method. I will describe the simplest method that is the most readily available. You will need a bag of charcoal (preferably royal oaks briquettes), a chimney starter, a match or lighter (if you can use newspaper to light the charcoal), a tray or disposable bbqs (you really just need something to put it in so that the coals aren't piled on top of each other in order to produce the most co), and most importantly you need somewhere to do it. It seems the best place to do it is in a sealed off car or sealed off room. You can use a tent but they are not as reliable as a car or room. Now I know that sounds like a lot of stuff but it's really not as complicated as it sounds once you actually do it. What you need to do is light up around 2-4 pounds of coals in the chimney starter and wait until they turn white and are glowing. I've been researching this and depending on the coal this can take anywhere from 30-60 minutes. Right after you do that, dump the coals onto your tray or disposable bbq and put them in your area of choice (Yes the coals need to be hot when you put them in the area and it is going to get hot in there so it is preferred to do it in cold weather if it's in a car or tent but fine if it's a room.). And there you go. That's the co method. Some things you should know about doing this if you don't have anything to put yourself to sleep fairly quickly once you get in you can let the coals sit in the enclosed area for around 20-30 minutes to build up co and then get in. This method has had a lot of documented failed attempts so before you just go and do it you should probably buy a co detector and do some tests first. You should make sure that the co levels stay above 800 ppm for at least 3 hours. 800 ppm at 3 hours is lethal so if you get this then you're all good. But if you do it right it should go way above this for way longer. In order to get the best results you should use as much coal as possible. 2-4 pounds might do the job but if you want to ensure success you should probably do 8-10 pounds. That's what I plan on doing.

Good luck. Rest in peace. thankyou for sharing

 

[Mr blobby]

I have bought some fire blankets for the immediate area and a ppm meter which has a temperature gauge on it. I will have a couple of rehearsals first to see what's is likely to happen and in the case of potential fire be able to prevent. By the time I go for the actual ctb I think I should have a good idea of how things will happen and just add myself into the scene

Good Idea. Thanks

 

[sfabians]

Hello, here are some news articles discussing CO poisoning:

Beware revealing graphic details of charcoal suicides, media is warned

FOLLOWING a significant number of recent charcoal-burning suicides in Thailand, the Public Health Ministry’s Mental Health Department is urging the media to avoid giving too many details of how the deaths occurred, out of fear that such reports could lead to copycat deaths.

www.nationthailand.com

Youth inhales CO for painless death | Delhi News - Times of India

NEW DELHI: In a worrying trend of desperate Indians using the internet to find painless ways to kill themselves, a young web designer recently committ.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Charcoal Fumes Blamed in Motel Death

A 48-year-old man apparently died of carbon monoxide poisoning after he lit a fire of charcoal briquettes next to his bed in a motel room to keep warm late Tuesday.

www.latimes.com

 

[Gdj94]

I want to use a car and a hose pipe from the exhaust through the window, how old does the car need to be for it to work? My dad did it this way and i want to go the same way

 

[Cleopatra123]

thinking about ctb by carbon monoxide in my bedroom, is it enough if I seal the room with duct tape, heat the briquettes on a frying pan until they're grey and then bring them into the room and go to bed? That's how I imagine Jonghuyn did it

I would research the instructions first, they usually recommend a small tent, car, bathroom with about 2Kg charcoal for that small area. If you want to use any methods it's best to acquaint yourself with all the proper information for success. Read through the site.

 

[trying.to.find.peace]

Im wanting to ctb with CO. The suv is running inside the garage, heater is on. After about an hour the CO is only at 380ppm. Outside of the vehicle 2 feet from thre tailpipe is just over 500ppm. Do you guys think this will be an effective method if i wait longer or should i try something else? Nothing hurts, just my eyes are tearing up i think from the smoke. Any thoughts are appreciated.

 

[Cleopatra123]

Im wanting to ctb with CO. The suv is running inside the garage, heater is on. After about an hour the CO is only at 380ppm. Outside of the vehicle 2 feet from thre tailpipe is just over 500ppm. Do you guys think this will be an effective method if i wait longer or should i try something else? Nothing hurts, just my eyes are tearing up i think from the smoke. Any thoughts are appreciated.

Modern autos are now equipped to eliminate the problem of CO in autos. There is a way to bypass the system, but you will have to research,.

 

[Braindead Atheist]

Im wanting to ctb with CO. The suv is running inside the garage, heater is on. After about an hour the CO is only at 380ppm. Outside of the vehicle 2 feet from thre tailpipe is just over 500ppm. Do you guys think this will be an effective method if i wait longer or should i try something else? Nothing hurts, just my eyes are tearing up i think from the smoke. Any thoughts are appreciated.

I think it's a good method. You know what you are doing. 500ppm is well over enough to kill you. It sounds so painless and tempting

 

[trying.to.find.peace]

I think it's a good method. You know what you are doing. 500ppm is well over enough to kill you. It sounds so painless and tempting

I dont think its enough to cause anything... even after 2 hours i just got a mild headache. Kind of disappointed, i just want to end the pain and suffering of this life.

 

[cambrai33]

I dont think its enough to cause anything... even after 2 hours i just got a mild headache. Kind of disappointed, i just want to end the pain and suffering of this life.

Do you know what level of Co2 ppm was achieved? This method absolutely works but you need to practice getting the environment right before you attempt ctb.

There is lots of evidence of this method working but also of it failing. Hope you manage to achieve things if you decide to ctb or indeed to recover from the place you have found yourself

 

[trying.to.find.peace]

Do you know what level of Co2 ppm was achieved? This method absolutely works but you need to practice getting the environment right before you attempt ctb.

There is lots of evidence of this method working but also of it failing. Hope you manage to achieve things if you decide to ctb or indeed to recover from the place you have found yourself

Not Co2, thats carbon dioxide. Im measuring the CO, carbon monoxide. The highest it got was 550ppm at the tailpipe. As i understood i need to achieve at least 1000 ppm for a peaceful exit. Mainly i wanted to see the levels of CO from the exhaust to see if its even feasible to ctb. Its a 2002 without a catalytic converter. I think to be safe i will buy a generator and run that inside the vehicle for a few minutes instead next time.

 

[FromGermany]

Everything under 2.500 ppm over at least 3 hours is dangerous. It was my method for a long time, but now I know, how dangerous and unpredictable it is. It's gambling.

High chance of failure, and then you have the risk of damages, which will not come immediately, but days or weeks later.

Long-term damage can occur with brain damages and also effect your nervous system. These range from memory disorders, headaches and dizziness, behavioral changes and psychoses to paralysis and Parkinson.

The long-term effects of carbon monoxide poisoning can also affect the heart, cardiac arrhythmia or an insufficiency. Pulmonary edema can also occur.

I have seen in a criminal case here in Germany a women, who after a failed suicide attempt can only move with a rollator.

Also amputations after a failed attempt are possible.

Some people feel so much pain, that SI kicks in.

That's too much risk for me personal so I switched to N2.

PPeH does not know, what they are talking about with respect to CO. It's all theoretically to fill the book.

The same with partial. Perhaps one out of 100 attempts is successfully if it is working good. There are a lot of people in the care homes after failed hanging attempts. Some books and guides are talking about methods as if it so easy. It's not. It's a dangerous trap. N and N2 are the only peaceful methods after 30 years of research. It's harder to CTB than many suggest.

Look at this Night-Night Hype. It's a hype. It has a nice name, but this does not mean, it is working.

SN is working for many people. It's not painless, can last for hours, but at least it is working for many and there is no risk of brain damage.

But CO is really dangerous and unpredictable. I was so disappointed and desperate after I found out, but I had to switch. There was no other option for me.

 

[8evergo]

wir brauen hilfe kann jemand uns helfen oderr begleiten in belgien oder süd deutschland pm mich

 

[Cleopatra123]

I think it's a good method. You know what you are doing. 500ppm is well over enough to kill you. It sounds so painless and tempting

I think it is a good method, even happens to people accidentally, but there are proceedures that must be followed.

 

[SamuelClemens400]

Im planning on doing it this way. Im gonna get 32lbs of charcoal light it all up together then put it in a metal bucket Im just not sure about the location. I have a car but not a liscense so the woods or something is a no go. If i do it out night in a suburb like at 12am do you think I will be found its usually pretty quiet after dark, nobody ever really comes out and if they dont see me in the car they probably wont come looking around. I do live near somewhere that could be rather inconspicuous but I would need a tent which I could get but what kind of tent would be best and do I need to seal it? If so how?

 

[lastlife_]

Carbon monoxide was my preferred method until the prep swayed me more towards hanging.. but I have considered partial hanging combined with carbon monoxide as a fail safe. Assuming the carbon monoxide would make me pass out and then result in me hanging.

 

[lastlife_]

hang off the door handle? what rope?

I wasn't considering the door handle, but I've heard of cases where it's used - notable ones being Kate Spade and Robin Williams - but I see door handles used most from people who are in hospital. I don't think the rope is as important as people make out. Kate Spade used a scarf, Robin used a belt and most people in hospitals use their bedsheets. I saw a new story yesterday from a woman in her 30's who hanged herself at home with 'fabric she had fashioned into a ligature'. I've got a scarf, bedsheets I've already cut into a ligature, belt and other items that can be used so I'll use whatever is most comfortable I guess.. I don't know for sure

 

[FromGermany]

There are so many failed attempts here in Germany with CO, that one has a 50 % chance, that it will work at its best. After a failure many have brain damages for the rest of their lives like this women here, which is a true case and no hearsay or theoretically fiction talk.

She was 41, in best health and after that failed attempt, when her kids died but she did not, she not only was unfit to stand trial for a long time. She could only move with a rollator for the rest of her life, and the lawyer had to help her walking with it.


No CO set can be exactly the same, because there are so many uncontrollable factors, that it is gambling. Even the wind outside the room can be factor or the temperature and the material of the walls. Sometimes the coals are dying without any reason, and then you will wake up hours later and perhaps share the fate of that women, which is only one example of many I know now.

 

[My_name_is_Luka]

unless you have a CO meter

 

[lostinthebleak]

This is my preferred method personally. Got the chimney starter and charcoal. Working on some practice runs first one I messed up forgetting to attach the handle so just had to let the coals burn. Next one gonna pour it into a bucket and run a car or garage test. Don't have a CO meter but have a lot of charcoal to keep working it with

 

[lostinthebleak]

do you have to move the coals around in the chimmey starter so that they can all evenly turn white?

Yes once they flames go down/heat dies down transfer them and move it into your space

 

[lostinthebleak]

filling one chimney starter should be more than enough charcoal?

From what I've read on this thread it depends where you want to use it. Ideally I'll use my car in an isolated area so one should be enough but like I said it's dependent on your area of use

 

[SamuelClemens400]

Well, I think I have a plan to be dead in a few weeks.
Step one: get a job and save up about 300$
Step 2: uber to home depot and purchase 40lbs of charcoal a 5 gal steel bucket insulation bricks and a chimney starter and maybe a starter cube, also order a CO monitor off of amazon.
Step 3: When the monitor arrived preform a test in my car at night. Run to an alley that nobody goes in especially at night, hopefully the smoke wont draw attention. Light up a little bit of charcoal. Just a few briquettes. once they are lit throw them in my car and get in with them for a little bit just to see that they are making CO and making at leas enough that when I light like 5lbs or something it will be at least 1600ppm. according to wikipedia 1600ppm for 2 hours = death.
Step 4: do it again the next day but with a lot more charcoal at least one whole chimney's worth but maybe 2 and CTB.
Step 5: Profit

 

[sfabians]

Has anyone looked into the CO cylinder method?

...the victim had opened the CO cylinder in the confined space and inhaled the gas.

Youth inhales CO for painless death | Delhi News - Times of India

NEW DELHI: In a worrying trend of desperate Indians using the internet to find painless ways to kill themselves, a young web designer recently committ.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[blackbok]

Has anyone looked into using a Weber type kettle barbecue . You can put the lid on control the amount of oxygen that gets the the coal? Less oxygen more co ?

 

[knion]

Hey!

I'm really sorry, I know I posted this earlier today, but I want to make sure it's in a place that is most helpful for people.

Not only do I want to have it as it's own thread, I want to make sure people can find it in this thread (the carbon monoxide mega thread).

This is a very long post, so I do apologise.

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1)introduction



2)what does each concentration of carbon monoxide do to me? Which concentration will kill me and how long will it take?



3)How much charcoal is enough?



4)How much space do I need?



5)I GUESS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, FULL CALCULATIONS.



6)CONCLUSION



7)FINAL CONCLUSION



1)introduction





Hello everyone.



So, I posted yesterday about my attempt to end my life in august using the CO method.



And this morning I was thinking, you know what, f**k it, why not do some real calculations and research into this, rather than just making assumptions.



I made my attempt based on some advice on this website (which, btw was great advice l, because it gave me a general idea about how to go about trying to CTB in this way), But here and now, I hope, is a post with specific details about what needs to be done to CTB SuccessFully through the CO method.





And, as I've said a few times, just to cover myself legally, I do not think you should use this method to end your life, I DO NOT condone the use of this information to end your life and I am not coercing or encouraging you to end your life. Please use this information as an educational tool.





That being said, when I am to end my life, this is the method I will be using.





2)How much Carbon Monoxide does it take to get certain effects?



So, this section isn't a particularly academic, or well sourced one. I got this information from Wikipedia.

But hey, I don't think we have much reason to not have faith in this information, it looks pretty sound, especially when compared to the paper I reference from later in this post.



Obviously, the higher the concentration of Carbon monoxide, the greater the effects.



Here are the concentrations and effects as listed by Wikipedia.

1,600 ppm (0.16%), (1.6‰)

Headache, increased heart rate, dizziness, and nausea within 20 min; death in less than 2 hour

3,200 ppm (0.32%), (3.2‰)

Headache, dizziness and nausea in five to ten minutes. Death within 30 mins.

6,400 ppm (0.64%), (6.4‰)

Headache and dizziness in one to two minutes. Convulsions, respiratory arrest, and death in less than 20 minutes

12,800 ppm (1.28%), (12.8‰)

Unconsciousness after 2–3 breaths. Death in less than three minutes

Just for a frame of reference:

5,000 ppm

Exhaust from a home wood fire

Obviously, 12,800 ppm seems almost impossible to achieve. The number looks huge in comparison to the measly 1,600 and to be honest it even trumps the 6,400 in double the size. (And to be honest, we have good reason to think this).

However, I am going to explain in the rest of this post how achieve-able each of these concentrations are… at least when we're talking about charcoal.





3)Charcoal and it's carbon monoxide output.



Don't worry!

In this section I will not be giving a chemistry or physics lesson in "how charcoal combusts and what it gives out" I feel that that would be a little unnecessary.

However, I will be discussing, based on a study I found online, how the amount of carbon monoxide relates to the concentration of CO in any given space.



Incase anybody wants to take a look, the website I will be referencing in this section is: https://www.bfr.bund.de/en/press_in...definitely_not_an_indoor_pursuit_-187998.html



So, without further ado (you can skip the quotes if you wish, I have summarised underneath):



"Owing to its spatial volume of 19 cubic metres, the cloud chamber provides a good model for a small garage or a living room. In the experiments, the CO concentration was measured both under the ceiling and in the immediate vicinity of the grill. No significant differences were detected, for the combustion gas was distributed relatively evenly throughout the room."



"After as little as two hours of glowing embers from 800 grams of charcoal, CO concentrations in excess of 3000 ppm (parts per million) were measured. If humans inhale ambient air of such concentrations, they faint after a few minutes"





So, as we can see here. In a 19 cubic metre space (which is a good example of a garage or living room), 800 grams of charcoal made a CO concentration more than 3000ppm in less than 2 hours.



Following this, the website tells us that this information Influenced a computer simulation of the process.



"in a closed garage where 800 grams of charcoal are burned, CO concentrations of between 750 and 1100 ppm are to be expected."



If we just go slap bang in the middle of those two readings, we can expect 925 ppm in the garage in around 2 hours.



Now, this doesn't sound too promising, maybe carbon monoxide death isn't worth trying?



Don't lose hope just yet! I will explain in the rest of this essay why this isn't as bad as it seems!



I would like to start by giving some visual references, so you can get some ideas of what this amount of charcoal may look like.





3)How much charcoal is enough?



So, as I said above, I would like to give you some idea of how much charcoal 800 grams really is.



As I said in my last post, I have already attempted to take my life using this method.

In that post I explained that I used the charcoal from 4 bar-be-quick instant BBQ's to go through with my plan.



Each of those BBQ's had 500 grams of Charcoal in them, giving a total of 2,000 grams of charcoal.



I explained in my post from yesterday, I managed to put all 4 grills into a metal popcorn bucket from Odeon, the local cinema.

Here are some pics so that you can visualise the size:











So, as you can see, 2,000 grams of charcoal isn't as much as you might think.



So, knowing this, I have attempted to roughly work out what 2,000 grams of charcoal would produce in the 19 cubic metre space.



If we use 925 ppm (in between 750 and 1100) and round the 800 grams up to 1,000:

2,000 grams of charcoal would be equal to 1,850 ppm.

This means that you would die in less than two hours whilst breathing the air in this space.



So, if you have the money and room, you should be able to buy more than 4 charcoal grills and up the ppm rather easily.



8 charcoal BBQ's at 500 grams each would put you up to 3,700 ppm, meaning you would die within half an hour.



(Also, just For reference, bar be quick in sainsburys is £2.50 and looking on Amazon they're around £5)





Now, it may appear that I am done. However, this leads me to the question of where on earth should I light my charcoal to achieve maximum effect.

I will be answering this question now.





4)How much space do I need.



So, in my last post, I explained that I attempted to end my life by putting smouldering charcoal IN MY CAR.



So, assuming that everyone has a car, or access to a similar sized unventilated place, id imagine you'd would probably find it preferable to attempt this method this way (in a smaller space), rather than using a living room or garage.





So, The average car passenger compartment is 105 cubic feet.



Here comes the absolutely insanely good news….. 105 cubic feet is equal to 2.97327 cubic metres!!! (Round that up to 3)



This means that a car, or similar sized space is almost FIVE TIMES SMALLER than the space tested in the experiment I am referencing!





5)I GUESS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, FULL CALCULATIONS.



So, now, all that's left to do is the workings out.



IMPORTANT NOTICE, SCROLL DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS SECTION IF YOU WANT TO AVOID RAMBLING EQUATIONS.



So, if I've done my calculations correctly. (Bear with me this is where I find it a little complicated)



60X2 = 120 (120 mins)



3000ppm/ 3 = 1000 ppm

120 (mins)/ 3 = 40

19/3 = 6.33333 (6.33)



6.33 divided by itself = 1

40/6.33 = 6.319 (6.32)

1000/6.33 = 157.977 (157.98)





This may look like a whole lot of nonsense, but these calculations mean that it takes 6.32 minutes to fill 1 cubic metre with 157.977ppm



This means that the average car (3 cubic metres) takes takes 19 mins to fill with 473.931 if you use 800 grams of charcoal:



6.32X3 = 18.96 (essentially 19 mins)

157.977X3 = 473.931ppm





I know that there is a tapering point for CO with burning charcoal (as in, there is a point the CO won't go any higher), but if the findings from these calculations have a direct correlation with each-other, it should take



1000 grams of charcoal, 7.9 minutes to fill 1 cubic metre with 197.4762 (197.476ppm)



So, 4 charcoal BBQ's weighing 500 grams each (2000 grams), would take 15.8 minutes to fill 1 cubic metre with 394.9542ppm



(….. Reading this i'm starting to see why my attempt failed).



SO, This has been going on long enough, I do apologise for all of the equations.



The actual helpful sum ends up being that it takes:





2000 grams of charcoal, 47.4 minutes to fill the average 3 cubic metre interior of a car with 1,184.8626ppm.



Meaning, you'd need to wait 94.8 mins (1.58 hours) for your car to reach 2,369.7252ppm.



This means you'd probably want to (need to) wait 3.16 hours (and that's not 3 hours and 16 mins) to reach 4,739.4504 ppm.





6)CONCLUSION





To some, this may seem like good news, to some, it may seem like bad news.

However, what these equations do is leave it all down to an individuals personal preference (that is, if they want to go through within the charcoal CO method).



For example, you know that you will die in under 2 hours if you get in your car and it's at 1,600ppm, which is after roughly leaving the charcoal burn in your car for about an hour.

But, as we know, if you get in at this level the CO levels will still be climbing. This means that it'll almost certainly be MUCH less than 2 hours…. But you will still probably not have a massively pleasant time. (nausea and headaches)



Whereas, another individual may prefer to get in the car a little later, knowing that they will die within 30 minutes of entering their car, if they enter at around the 2 and a half hour mark at 2,400ppm (and yet again, this is whilst the concentration should still be rising).



Either way, it looks as though this method will be rather time consuming either way. I would recommend making sure you have at least 5-6 hours to go through with this plan.







Also, I think it's worth saying that, Sadly, I have to admit, if you wanted to reach the EXTREMELY lethal dose of 12,000ppm (at which you'd take 1 or two breaths, pass out and die within a few minutes), you'd either have to buy a whopping 24 packs of 500 grams charcoal and wait for nearly 2 hours.

Or:

you'd probably need somewhere along the lines of 12 packs, and wait nearly 4 hours before getting in.







7)FINAL CONCLUSION



Anyway. As always, I would like to thank you for reading this post!

I hope that you find the information held forthwith helpful (and if you spot any mistakes, or if you're a real scientist please don't hesitate to point them out/ call me out on it)



As I've said before, this is still my method of choice and for anyone else who is considering using this method, I am so ecstatically happy that you will now have the resources that I didn't at the stage of my first attempt.



Thank you very much!



I wish you all well.



Feel free to comment or message me and feel free to ask any questions you have!



Knion."