Method Carbon monoxide megathread

[a.h]

People here have said they waited 1h. I know only about it that one man said he tested with 4.5kg in two seated car and got over 12 000ppm. He was gone soon after that.

But I know that generators produce 13000ppm fast and surely.

At least we still have them before they put catalyst converters to them for safety or environment reasons like in cars.

 

[FML2019]

Is a 2016 suburban with 3 pounds of charcoal enough? My biggest concern is the car catching on fire, I don't want by body mangled like that.

 

[sooverallthingslife]

That's an excellent idea. I will have to order everything, I think all is available on the web. What material and size should the bucket be: and am I correct that I place the bucket into a pan of water on top of something like bricks. Was my English that poor; lol, no English is my first language. Thank you very much, I have been reading, and thinking for a few months and am running on empty. Oh, should I be concerned about anything in the closet, or carpet catching on fire, it is a very sealed and small place

Just reading all the circumstances, why can't a person use a portable generator in a room; what's the necessity of the garage; I assume the windows of the car were opened.

I am also wanting to try the portable generator in a room. My thought is you would go to sleep and just not wake up. Generators will run for 5hrs or so. Is that long enough?

 

[sooverallthingslife]

I agree that generators will eventually be equipped with the technology to reduce CO emissions, but we should take advantage of them while they still don't have it. Running the generator in another room so that it has greater oxygen to last longer (which is how I interpreted that part of your reply) would seem unnecessary to me because wouldn't running it in the same room still allow it to produce large amounts of CO to ensure death with high certainty?

As far as filtering the other gasses I think it would be a good idea to run a plastic tube from the exhaust into a five gallon water bottle filled with water.

I bought a generator but don't see where to attach a hose to filter gases.
I was thinking since they produce upwards of 70000ppm, it would still work if it just ran in an adjacent room while I slept. Slowly increasing ppm in my room over an hour or so.
Any help??

 

[Cleopatra123]

I am also wanting to try the portable generator in a room. My thought is you would go to sleep and just not wake up. Generators will run for 5hrs or so. Is that long enough?

I researched some generators; there is vast differences between them; in terms of design parameters; concerning noise and CO output. Not mechanically inclined so it was difficult for me to discern which to get, and where to do it.

 

[sooverallthingslife]

I researched some generators; there is vast differences between them; in terms of design parameters; concerning noise and CO output. Not mechanically inclined so it was difficult for me to discern which to get, and where to do it.

I bought a 1200 watt generator and im going to run it in ab enclosed room for 20-30 minutes, then go in while I hold my breath until reaching my bed, then take deep breaths. Hopefully to never wake again.

 

[Cleopatra123]

I bought a 1200 watt generator and im going to run it in ab enclosed room for 20-30 minutes, then go in while I hold my breath until reaching my bed, then take deep breaths. Hopefully to never wake again.

Am curious to know how your generator worked. Did it make noise? Best wishes

 

[DeepSleep]

Crossposting from another thread (sorry!), but look at the amount of ash. It was really not a lot of coal, maybe 2 kg.
But it worked.

Broke lawyer commits suicide by BBQ grill - Pattaya Mail

A cash-strapped lawyer died of carbon monoxide poisoning in an apparent suicide by charcoal grill. The body of Jarija Samaknin, 32, was found Nov. 14 in the driver’s seat of her Toyota Altis parked at the edge of the Mabprachan Reservoir. On the floor of the front passenger’s seat was a grill...

www.pattayamail.com

Nonthaburi woman commits suicide by lighting charcoal in bedroom

A woman died of suspected Carbon Monoxide poisoning after lighting charcoal in her bedroom at a house in Nonthaburi's Bang Kruai district on Tuesday night.

www.nationthailand.com

 

[sooverallthingslife]

Am curious to know how your generator worked. Did it make noise? Best wishes

My generator runs about as loud as a lawn mower. Not bad since I live alone and you dont have to be in the same room to get lethal levels rather quickly. I won't know how it works until I either wake up retarded or not at all.

 

[Cleopatra123]

My generator runs about as loud as a lawn mower. Not bad since I live alone and you dont have to be in the same room to get lethal levels rather quickly. I won't know how it works until I either wake up retarded or not at all.

They do make noiseless ones I've read, a necessity for many and small portable ones. But I've read conflicting stories about result. Peace

Crossposting from another thread (sorry!), but look at the amount of ash. It was really not a lot of coal, maybe 2 kg.
But it worked.

Broke lawyer commits suicide by BBQ grill - Pattaya Mail

A cash-strapped lawyer died of carbon monoxide poisoning in an apparent suicide by charcoal grill. The body of Jarija Samaknin, 32, was found Nov. 14 in the driver’s seat of her Toyota Altis parked at the edge of the Mabprachan Reservoir. On the floor of the front passenger’s seat was a grill...

www.pattayamail.com

Nonthaburi woman commits suicide by lighting charcoal in bedroom

A woman died of suspected Carbon Monoxide poisoning after lighting charcoal in her bedroom at a house in Nonthaburi's Bang Kruai district on Tuesday night.

www.nationthailand.com

The second lady made it look so simple, compared to the complicated preparations we've heard about. Thanks for posting.

 

[Farmmaa]

The second lady made it look so simple, compared to the complicated preparations we've heard about. Thanks for posting.

It is a very popular and effective method in many Asian countries right now.
It seems though that they have a much different charcoal product than we do here - large cylindrical pieces rather than the small round briquets.
Maybe they burn longer and are more effective at giving off CO.

 

[a.h]

My generator runs about as loud as a lawn mower. Not bad since I live alone and you dont have to be in the same room to get lethal levels rather quickly. I won't know how it works until I either wake up retarded or not at all.

I would let it on even longer before going in. Maybe 15-20 min in car. It is painless and fast when there is high ppm (5000 or higher). Every news about the CO says the same thing too and people die while unconscious. High levels of CO made me only euphoric and very sleepy.

 

[Cleopatra123]

It is a very popular and effective method in many Asian countries right now.
It seems though that they have a much different charcoal product than we do here - large cylindrical pieces rather than the small round briquets.
Maybe they burn longer and are more effective at giving off CO.

Sounds like a good explanation. A lesson for modern US culture, the simpler things are, the more effective. Thanks for posting.

 

[a.h]

I would let it on even longer before going in. Maybe 15-20 min in car. It is painless and fast when there is high ppm (5000 or higher). Every news about the CO says the same thing too and people die while unconscious. High levels of CO made me only euphoric and very sleepy.

Science has now discovered why most people love the smell of gasoline. It causes itself euphoria and serenity/peacefulness. So when I said I felt very euphoric and peacefull I think it was mostly due to gasoline fumes though of course from lack of air too. I think that it explains why so many accidents happen with gens etc. and also from false informing in media.

"Gasoline contains over 500 hydrocarbons that may have between 3 to 12 carbons.

Gasoline Activates the Mesolimbic Pathway
Another theory focuses more on the physical effect benzene has on nerve receptors that detect the smell. Benzene and other hydrocarbons, when inhaled, have a suppressing effect on the nervous system, which results in a temporary, euphoric feeling. It produces a pleasurable sensation that's not unlike alcohol or a host of other drugs.

That's because the biological process of numbing your nerves activates the mesolimbic pathway, also known as the brain's reward pathway. Whenever your olfactory nerves get that hit of benzene, the mesolimbic system delivers a pleasing shot of dopamine. It's essentially your brain telling you, "Yes, this is good. Do more of this."

The mesolimbic pathway, as you probably inferred, is a key player in the neurobiology of addiction. Whether it's sex, video games, drugs or gasoline, it's this pathway in the brain that makes them feel good and kickstarts a self-reinforcing feedback loop. Indeed, gasoline is a commonly abused inhalant and is devastating to the health of those who become addicted. So, again, don't intentionally sniff this stuff."


By this article the engine of gen starts to shut down after 14min. At this point there should be above 10000ppm of CO.
anhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0379073813005392

By the way I read that generators exhaust have 85000ppm CO (some media writings say 70000ppm). And in car mechanic page it was said that cars exhaust has only 30000ppm without the converter.
So sick, old and desperate will complain after few years how easy it was before converters were put in gens. Though they can't put CAT'S to coals.

 

[HopelessFashionista]

Is there any downside, do you think, to just getting multiple huge bags of charcoal and using multiple grill/bucket setups in a small bathroom? Instead of worrying if a certain amount will be enough?

You know, go for "overkill", so to speak (sorry for the pun)?

 

[Cleopatra123]

Is there any downside, do you think, to just getting multiple huge bags of charcoal and using multiple grill/bucket setups in a small bathroom? Instead of worrying if a certain amount will be enough?

You know, go for "overkill", so to speak (sorry for the pun)?

You'd have to get rid of a lot of smoke, the CO is active after it finishes smoking. And, if any neighbors see the smoke, you may end up with an unwanted fire squad. I had thought, in order to avoid the taping the car or tent and hoping to get it right somewhere out in the woods, to get a generator, they now have quiet ones, and relax away in a comfortable room. But don't understand the necessities of output in a certain spac for generators. Somewhere on this page is a link about a young lady in Asia who lit a bowl of local charcoal in a bowl on her bed and was found dead the next morning. Ah, to think how peaceful it could be. I'm not a fan of leaping from tall buildings, or other such gory endings. Look up this page, DeepSleep posted the article.

 

[a.h]

With gens it's also best to use the gasoline sold in canisters for them and lawnmower etc. Gasoline for cars works but makes more smoke and smell because it's not as pure.

 

[Cleopatra123]

With gens it's also best to use the gasoline sold in canisters for them and lawnmower etc. Gasoline for cars works but makes more smoke and smell because it's not as pure.

Thanks a.h. for your helpfulness. I was thinking of going to an out of the way motel, cottages, do you know what size, specifics (I'm mentaly deficient at this knowledge) and if I can get a silent one?

 

[lottielies]

I spent a good while reading through the pages in this thread and I didn't want to overcomplicate my method. I've attached it below:

2lbs/1kg coal briquettes
tent (3000mm, single skin)
gaffer tape (tape the seams)
tray filled with water
steel bucket
tarp on top of tent

set up tent
place a metal tray with water inside the tent
light up 1kg coals in a chimney starter outside
let coals burn until grey top layer (like ash) (30mins max)
put coals into bucket with large stones at the bottom and leave for 60-90 mins until no smoke is being emitted and it's not too hot (place hands 6 inches above to test)
use above time to tape up tent
take any meds/drinks
place steel bucket into the tray of water and enter tent
zip up tent
lie with head away from door

Should I be making any adjustments or should it be okay??

 

[rolltheblunt]

Greetings everyone. I was reading on another forum about a test that someone did with a charcoal grill in their car. I thought it would be useful information for everyone else here. I've quoted it in this post.

Not meant to encourage anyone, just a more specific bit of information from a previous poster.


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My hibachi BBQ is 47 x 27 x 9 cm. Perhaps 1Kg of charcoal was all
that would comfortably fit. I lit it outside the car, and waited an
hour for the flames & smoke to die down and for it to turn white and
be glowing red. It was sparking little embers around at first, but
this died down. It's a new BBQ, so might have been because there were
still small bits of foam packaging in it. You can probably wait less
- it was the first time I've lit a BBQ so took a few goes.

I shut off the air vents in my car using the lever control. I did not
tape up any windows or vents. I placed two CO monitors between the
front-passenger seat and head rest (close to head height). One is an
industrial one (v. expensive) that detects up to 10,000ppm. The other
is the initial one I bought which only goes up to 1,000ppm. I put a
digital thermometer there too.

I have a supermini hatchback car. I folded down the back seats,
removed the parcel shelf, and laid a fire blanket (used for chip-pan
fires) across the floor of the boot. I also taped some tin-foil to
the upholstry above where I intended to place the BBQ for fear of
damage\fire - but this turned out to be unnecessary.

When the BBQ was ready, I opened the boot, placed it on the fire
blanket, in the middle towards the back of the boot, and shut it.
Temperature was 12c in the car before I put it in, CO was zero. I
stood outside the window and shone a torch inside to record the
following results for each 5 minutes:

0: 0ppm 12c
5: 2600ppm 20.7c
10: 4390ppm 32.3c
15: 5660ppm 39.8c
20: 6520ppm 44.3c
25: 7110ppm 46.8c
30: 7627ppm 48c
35: 7728ppm 48.3c
40: 7910ppm 47.9c
45: 7654ppm 47.2c
50: 7690ppm 46.3c
55: 7645ppm 45.1c
60: 7402ppm 43.9c
65: 7319ppm 42.7c
70: 7402ppm 41.6c
75: 7195ppm 40.5c

Satisfied that CO was high and sustained enough, I opened the driver's
door, switched on the engine & air-con and shut the door again. Door
was probably 75% open for 10-15 seconds.

76: 4100ppm 39.8c
80: 3937ppm 38.5c
85: 4110ppm 37.7c
90: 4233ppm 38.6c
95: 4260ppm 40.1c

Note the tin-foil I taped to the ceiling to protect the upholstry
above the BBQ dropped down soon after the BBQ was put in the boot
because the adhesive having melted. I was worried about this but
didn't see any discoloration or singeing of the upholstry. The heat
must dissapate around the car fairly evenly rather than cook one spot.

Overall, I'm happy with the test, although it does get a bit toasty!
I wanted to see CO sustained above 4,000ppm for 30mins to an hour. I
don't want any half-measures leaving me brain damaged. The cheap CO
monitor hit 999ppm after a few minutes and stayed there for the
duration. My aircon was no match for the heat from the BBQ, you can
switch it on if you want, but I don't think it will make more than one
or two degrees difference. Your car might have better air-con than
mine though. I might try bringing an ice box. I've heard that death
typically takes 30 mins in 4-5,000ppm, so hopefully I'll be asleep
after 5-10mins, well before it hits 45c+

The other slight problem was the location got a bit busy, so I'll have
to find somewhere quiter or do later at night. Don't want any misguided heroes.
Unquote

I also know that 'merope'-story and can recommend to read it in full on the net.
Its informative and witty.

It seems that it is not important to seal the doors and vents. However, I will be sealing mine because I have an old car. It is interesting that the carbon monoxide was able to build to such a level given that they were not sealed. Towards the end of the test, the person also ran the air condition for a few minutes. Although they lost a few thousand ppm during opening and closing of the door, the levels of carbon monoxide did not lower so much during the time that the ac was on. I also found it useful that they described that the heat didn't seem to stay in one spot on the ceiling of the car, but rather dispersed throughout the cabin.

 

[Chandman]

Hey all! I'm planning on leaving later this week. I've reviewed this thread thoroughly and feel as if I have enough information. However, I am in search of some answers.

- Which charcoal briquette brand would suit me best?
- What parts of a vehicle must I seal?

 

[rolltheblunt]

Hey all! I'm planning on leaving later this week. I've reviewed this thread thoroughly and feel as if I have enough information. However, I am in search of some answers.

- Which charcoal briquette brand would suit me best?
- What parts of a vehicle must I seal?

Based on my research, I've concluded that royal oak briquettes are best or kings ford second. Seal the vents, the windshield defroster, and all the door and window slits on the outside or inside.

 

[Chandman]

Based on my research, I've concluded that royal oak briquettes are best or kings ford second. Seal the vents, the windshield defroster, and all the door and window slits on the outside or inside.

Thanks! Good luck to you.
Yet another question (I apologize)

Would lump charcoal function effectively as a CO producer? Or should I stick to briquettes? I'll be CTB soon, as I've recently been pushed into more hardship.

At the moment, I have a small vehicle, duct tape, starters, and various other materials. However, I'm kinda stumped. I need to find the right brand to use. This could be the difference between brain damage and eternal rest. I need to be sure (or confident) that this will be successful.

I'll be going with standard Kingsford briquettes (approx. 4 pounds), distributed across two steel buckets. A portable grill will be used to burn the charcoal. I'll be using my Subaru Forester (early 2000s).

Any recommendations? Sure, my supplies meet the quota, but I NEED TO ENSURE THAT THIS WILL WORK. If there are any (better) brands of charcoal; I'd appreciate some insight. I'm also open to advice.

 

[rolltheblunt]

Thanks! Good luck to you.
Yet another question (I apologize)

Would lump charcoal function effectively as a CO producer? Or should I stick to briquettes? I'll be CTB soon, as I've recently been pushed into more hardship.

At the moment, I have a small vehicle, duct tape, starters, and various other materials. However, I'm kinda stumped. I need to find the right brand to use. This could be the difference between brain damage and eternal rest. I need to be sure (or confident) that this will be successful.

I'll be going with standard Kingsford briquettes (approx. 4 pounds), distributed across two steel buckets. A portable grill will be used to burn the charcoal. I'll be using my Subaru Forester (early 2000s).

Any recommendations? Sure, my supplies meet the quota, but I NEED TO ENSURE THAT THIS WILL WORK. If there are any (better) brands of charcoal; I'd appreciate some insight. I'm also open to advice.

The lump would work just as well as the briquettes. They just burn hotter and usually don't last as long as briquettes. So I'd recommend using the briquettes so it wouldn't get really hot inside of the car.

 

[Otter]

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[Cleopatra123]

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Thank you so much for relaying this information to me: I suppose the best situation is the highest ppm: can they be purchased noiseless. Is there any other necessary equipment necessary, fuel, etc. And any requirements about room size? I suppose they are very expensive? Too bad we couldn't do a group, to share etc, angels, passing together to a peaceful place. Thanks again. Cleopatra

 

[Anon2662]

I hadn't heard of this method before but it sounds like the method I would like to use.. looked into SN and it's definitely an option, but have read about someone gasping very loudly for breath in the minutes before they died and that doesn't sound too peaceful (I'm not saying it's like this for everyone! It's just made me think twice about it that's all). If this were to work (using disposable bbqs in a tent) would I likely experience any of those symptoms of fighting for breath? I'm picturing it as just peacefully falling asleep? I'd like for it to be as peaceful as possible so that my family could at least take small comfort from that. And also I'm scared the coward in me would stop myself if I thought I would suffer..

 

[p07070]

Will this work?

250ml formic acid. 450ml sulphuric acid. Formic acid is currently in the metal pan. Put the sulphuric acid from the glass into the pan. Goes through the tubing, passes through the water bath, and I breathe through the mask.

Is it good enough?

 

[Otter]

I don't think you're supposed to use anything metal, but I may be getting that confused with a different chemical. Please look it up to make sure, because I'm not. I haven't done any research on anything that you're doing so I have no idea if all the other parts of your plan are correct, either

 

[Mgl91]

Tengo una duda. Puedo usar la bolsa con botellas de hueso de butano o con bulbos llamados bulbos que se usan en los hogares. Tiene mucho olor, lo dormí con uno abierto pero no se concentró demasiado en la habitación y solo tuve algunos síntomas. También leí que tengo que estar sentado. ¿Por qué no acostarse ?.
sorry for my bad English . I use a translator