Method Carbon monoxide megathread

[GerMann]

I´m afraid that "activ coal filter" or (water filter?) can react with the CO and change it to harmles CO2, is this possible or not?

real case: https://dokumen.tips/documents/kohl...cht-durch-ein-gemisch-aus-schwefelsaeure.html
The young man was found outside the car (because of the acid fumes?) the rescue wasn´t successful he ctb later in the hospital.

 

[Joannf]

@Joannf , I quickly looked at amazon.co.uk and there is a lot of stuff ... I don't know which one I'd pick, I'd have to investigate. And it really depends on the purpose. if it's about skin, then it's about the entire body ...

Which what to pick - acids or protective stuff ?
Fumes won't attack your skin while you do a test or if you do the mixing deed fast enough and in an efficient way... but they attack mucosa, as in throat, eyes, nose, trachea, lungs... they bind to the water and go back to liquid state, this is also why water can be used to wash /bind them. Normal working clothes, rubber or latex gloves, a breathing mask with a cutout from a kitchen vapor filter would basically serve you - and the glasses I decribed. I did what I did last (the recent tests) with just latex gloves and by holding my breath, I have some experience by now. I just turn my head when fumes reach my nose, and I never, never panic.
A panic reaction can really screw things up.
Men are such wimps these days ;))

 

[Joannf]

I´m afraid that "activ coal filter" or (water filter?) can react with the CO and change it to harmles CO2, is this possible or not?

real case: https://dokumen.tips/documents/kohl...cht-durch-ein-gemisch-aus-schwefelsaeure.html
The young man was found outside the car (because of the acid fumes?) the rescue wasn´t successful he ctb later in the hospital.

I´m afraid that "activ coal filter" or (water filter?) can react with the CO and change it to harmles CO2, is this possible or not?

real case: https://dokumen.tips/documents/kohl...cht-durch-ein-gemisch-aus-schwefelsaeure.html
The young man was found outside the car (because of the acid fumes?) the rescue wasn´t successful he ctb later in the hospital.

Could not retrieve the document, 404 error. Yeah I guess it was the fumes... an idiot. A coal filter will practically NOT filter out the CO, only the fumes - that's why I used it ;) Water won't touch it either, which is why everybody else is using it.

Read the document now...
I believe the guy mixed 500 ml of the fluids in the glass flask... that is what I used yesterday... no wait, I used almost twice as much. Ha !
That's not enough to exit, not even inside a car.
That gave me 710ppm in 10 cubic meters, it would have given him... maybe 3000ppm, and a car isn't so tight... ever tried to sleep in a car, just for an hour, on a long trip through France in the off-season when the little hotels are closed ? After twenty minutes the warm air will have been replaced by cold air... so you drive on and get home half a day early... cars and tents really are improvisations.
The bottles, what are they ? That flask he was using takes a liter, and it was half full. So this guy did not use enough, and he used it the wrong way, without a filter.
Still, he was in a coma...

 

[Arak]

@Joanna , I'd really like a 10,000 PPM meter for this. i know they exist, and I hate 'faith'. the mask was about oxygen, fumes, CO depending on the method ..

 

[Joannf]

@Joanna , I'd really like a 10,000 PPM meter for this. i know they exist, and I hate 'faith'. the mask was about oxygen, fumes, CO depending on the method ..

Okay, so I spent five minutes of the rest of my life on duckduckgogo, to find a few... to my disappointment, even in the $500 range I couldn't find any that went above 2 or 3000ppm with the exception of this one, which can reach 5000ppm - the reason is understandable, the gas inspector would be quite dead at a rate above that, so the market niche is relatively small...;)
http://www.gasleaksensors.com/products/sensit_co.html

You might also want to look at these guys :
https://www.praxair.com/gases/buy-carbon-monoxide-gas

 

[nohoper]

Okay, so I spent five minutes of the rest of my life on duckduckgogo, to find a few... to my disappointment, even in the $500 range I couldn't find any that went above 2 or 3000ppm with the exception of this one, which can reach 5000ppm - the reason is understandable, the gas inspector would be quite dead at a rate above that, so the market niche is relatively small...;)
http://www.gasleaksensors.com/products/sensit_co.html

You might also want to look at these guys :
https://www.praxair.com/gases/buy-carbon-monoxide-gas

This one is ok if your in the USA and they also post too the UK (maybe others) ,not cheap but if you really need one.

https://www.tequipment.net/TPI707.asp

 

[Joannf]

This one is ok if your in the USA and they also post too the UK (maybe others) ,not cheap but if you really need one.

https://www.tequipment.net/TPI707.asp

Looks good, they ship internationally - it's also cheap. Now all you need do is try to stay alive long enough to be able to actually measure the zany value of 10000ppm, where lesser beings will long be dead, so as to make you feel secure.

 

[nohoper]

Looks good, they ship internationally - it's also cheap. Now all you need do is try to stay alive long enough to be able to actually measure the zany value of 10000ppm, where lesser beings will long be dead, so as to make you feel secure.

Well that depends if you want to stay alive.

 

[Janica333]

This one is ok if your in the USA and they also post too the UK (maybe others) ,not cheap but if you really need one.

This one is ok if your in the USA and they also post too the UK (maybe others) ,not cheap but if you really need one.

https://www.tequipment.net/TPI707.asp

I thought I checked that one out and they said they don't ship to any European countries. Same that with other companies. They sell that product around 700-850£/€ in UK and European countries so that is really cheap in USA.

Combustion meters are build to measure really high readings. Readings above 1% make metal part burning hot. So having CO over 1% might damage the plastic meter witch are sold for safety. But with that price don't matter much.

Well that depends if you want to stay alive.

 

[Janica333]

@Joanna , I'd really like a 10,000 PPM meter for this. i know they exist, and I hate 'faith'. the mask was about oxygen, fumes, CO depending on the method ..

Sorry, Arak.

I tried to send PM to you but can't do that yet ( I haven't posted enough here to do that). So I accidentally posted somewhere in your account wall etc. ;)

 

[Arak]

@Janica333 333,

Got it and hopefully you can reply by PM now ;)

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

okay guys i dont know if that got already posted but in case a attempt fail and you survive please see a doctor even if you still feel okay..

I did find this:

The effects of certain kinds of severe generalized hypoxias may take time to develop. For example, the long-term effects of serious carbon monoxide poisoning usually may take several weeks to appear. Recent research suggests this may be due to an autoimmune response caused by carbon monoxide-induced changes in the myelinsheath surrounding neurons.[31]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_hypoxia

or do a second attempt as soon as possible

 

[gingerplum]

okay guys i dont know if that got already posted but in case a attempt fail and you survive please see a doctor even if you still feel okay..




or do a second attempt as soon as possible

Here's the thing: once you've had the exposure, the damage is there, so there's really nothing medically supportive that can be done. Unless you're unconscious and need O2, I don't think there are any real interventions.

 

[RememberWhatUCameFor]

Here's the thing: once you've had the exposure, the damage is there, so there's really nothing medically supportive that can be done. Unless you're unconscious and need O2, I don't think there are any real interventions.

wished i had n

 

[Arak]

okay guys i dont know if that got already posted but in case a attempt fail and you survive please see a doctor even if you still feel okay..




or do a second attempt as soon as possible

A good one. If it doesn't kill you, even N may damage you.

 

[galaxyencrypted]

Hi, this will be the megathread for the carbon monoxide method.

I have some questions about the charcoal method, is it a simple method to do? Like buying charcoal and setting it or there is some steps and setup to follow

The ppeh gives low rating for preparation but good rating for reliability, peacefulness and quickness

hi can you post a link for the ppeh?

 

[Joannf]

Is it possible to commit suicide by just being meek and avoiding all risks ? I get the impression that would be the only practical way to go for many here... so lets concentrate on this solution, the "MAA" method for meek-and-avoid - can we have an extra thread for this mebbe ?
In a more serious vein, I haven't had much success with the gas-burn method so far, need some serious alterations to the burners... there's too much hype on the Web about "CO dangers," where some superannuated life-long meat-eater really dies of clogged arteries and diabetes and slow brain death in front of his TV indoctrination screen, rather than CO - and many professional installer youtubers ride this wave, so be careful. You know... "let me fix your gas stove if you don't want to die of... only $199 per hour."

My momentary setup goes towards 10 kgs of briqs in a 10 cbm hermetic room (put in a new, air tight door today), that's 1 kg per cbm and by all my own measures and available information a perfectly safe method. This room leads onto another with 30 cbm (in case it gets too hot) where 12 kgs of briqs are at work, with an additional 4/4 liter acids generating CO... not sure if i'll even do this, I just have all the stuff here, I got 35 kgs of assorted charcoal alone - and it seems such a waste not to use it ;)

Oh btw, Merry Christmas !! Or will that get me banned for being an Islamophobe ? You never know these post-rational days... I'd kill myself if that happened !

Oh, PS PS PS - important about the "disposable grills for cars" thingy, tested another disposable grill yesterday, the ones they sell at the supermarkets at around $10 or so, depends... now what they give you is about 800 grams "select" briqs (that's 20 of them) in a heavy brown paper bag, and an aluminum receptacle with some wire grid stuff (on which you're supposed to collect the meat for grilling), and they tell up to "light the bag at all four corners using just one match," and everything will be dildo, within half an hour - forget that, it's not going to work. I tried it twice... it's a thimple hoax, paper's gone in a minute.

You need to fire up the briqs the way I explained in one of my earlier posts, the one with the photo links. That paper bag will never get your briqs on fire at all.
Just saying, so you don't waste time and money. If you're really about suicide rather than finding a Goth mate.

 

[BlackpillAsshat]

I wouldn't use a car as a) air escapes comparatively fast, b) all the plastic inside (top) - nasty ! This stuff gets extremely hot, and you don't need melting or burning plastic in there.

Is there any known case where the car's top melted? That basically fucks up everything I have been planning.

 

[nohoper]

Is there any known case where the car's top melted? That basically fucks up everything I have been planning.

No and a few people have tested and plenty more succeeded, just dont overdo it with the amount of coals, more coals equals more heat obviously.

 

[DeletedUser4739]

Is there any known case where the car's top melted? That basically fucks up everything I have been planning.

I'm not sure. However, if placed in the trunk, there could easily be enough heat to blow out glass taillight bulbs, and melt the plastic light covers. I would be concerned about plastic bumpers as well, depending on the car's design, and how much charcoal is being used.

 

[throwaway_2620]

I saw a post on 8chan and I've discovered another improvised way to generate CO. It requires constructing a crude apparatus by using items that are already inside of the average house, using common household items to create a CO2 generator and connecting it to a CO generator. CO2 generator is basically this design:



You will need:
1 mason jar and lid
A couple of feet of vinyl tubing
Box of Baking soda
Gallon (or 3L depending on where you live) of vinegar
Empty gallon (or 3L depending on where you live) milk jug
Drill
2 candles
Empty 1 liter coke bottle
Duct tape or sealant for keeping the tubing in place

Method:
Add one hole to the cap on the milk jug with the drill. Add two holes to the cap of the coke bottle. This milk jug will hold the vinegar and be the primary container that generates carbon dioxide, a critical ingredient later on for our carbon monoxide generation. Put vinyl tubing into the milk cap leading to the coke bottle cap. Be sure to add some kind of sealant or tape to keep the hose connected to the cap. The coke bottle will act as an overflow chamber for when our reaction in the milk jug occurs. Get a glass mason jar. Add a hole in the bottom and one in the lid that fits on the top. Obtain high quality charcoal. Pulverize it with a hammer. Tip over the mason jar and put 4-6 tablespoons of pulverized charcoal in a mason jar, evenly distributing the charcoal along the bottom. Cap the jar with the lid. Run the vinegar/baking soda tube from the coke bottle into the hole you put into the bottom of the mason jar. Make sure to use sealant or tape so the tubing doesn't fall out. Elevate the mason jar and place candles underneath elevated mason jar. Light them. Wait until the charcoal is red hot. Fill the milk jug halfway with vinegar. Add one table spoon of baking soda to the milk jug with the vinegar in it and quickly place the cap on. A bubbling reaction will occur. Some liquid will enter the secondary coke bottle chamber, this is fine. This reaction is producing carbon dioxide and traveling to coke jar and then to the mason jar. Once the carbon dioxide travels from the overflow chamber into the mason jar, it will pass over the red hot charcoal, creating a massive amount of carbon monoxide. The carbon monoxide will pass out of the mason jar top and into the room. the charcoal doubles not only as a CO generator itself but a chemical catalyst, turning the CO2 into CO as well.

 

[Arak]

@throwaway_2620
Is that a joke ? No offense.

 

[throwaway_2620]

@throwaway_2620
Is that a joke ? No offense.

No, it wasn't a joke. Don't take my word for it, but I actually saw a post about it recently. Apparently, the amount of carbon monoxide generated should be really high so it might be a good idea to add a tube to the hole on the mason jar's top cap and divert it to a sealed room/space. If however you don't trust this method, just stick to the charcoal CO method (the one where you burn charcoal in a chimney till it's grey and not smoking, then dump the coals into a bucket, carry bucket to sealed space, etc). Good luck!

 

[Amber1974]

Why can you not use lighter fluid to get coals going??

 

[throwaway_2620]

I think you could, but for some reason, I think they recommend BBQ matches.

 

[Arak]

@throwaway_2620

It's not a game. No offense intended. But you could end up in horrible situations if you failed.

 

[throwaway_2620]

@throwaway_2620

It's not a game. No offense intended. But you could end up in horrible situations if you failed.

I know it's not a game. I'm well aware of the potential consequences of failure. That's why I'm scared to fail and why I have multiple ctb options to choose from.

 

[Janica333]

hi can you post a link for the ppeh?

okay guys i dont know if that got already posted but in case a attempt fail and you survive please see a doctor even if you still feel okay..


If you are in position that there is 0% hope like with terminal cancer and you are dieing slowly anyways then my advice is to make sure it works. Get a CO meter. Some people with meter have said that they have tested 1kg coals (after burning them 1 or 2 hours first) in very small airproof place and got only about 100-200ppm readings in 1 hour and mixing right acids same have happened to many ( since most people don't know how to make the machine and just mixing them just won't work easily).

With benzine working machines (portable generator, leaf blower etc..) one can't really fail in small place. They don't have converters YET (new ones after a year maybe in some products and in some countries) in them. Where I live in boat engines there is no converters either so people have died in boats accidentally or when swimming close to them.




or do a second attempt as soon as possible

 

[Janica333]

Is there any known case where the car's top melted? That basically fucks up everything I have been planning.

But how don't the bottom of it melt with coals? I mean the metal buckets for that are made for ashes and used coals gets so hot that it will burn anything from its bottom if there is no wooden thing underneath it (they are made for empting cold or warm ashes from fireplaces and burn from bottom at least where I live).

 

[ReadyasEver]

WW Grainger sells a CO meter that goes to 9999 ppm for 359 US dollars