I think there is need for nuance in this dicussion. I think also women can get manipulated through sex. But I get the feeling many men rather manipulate women in order to get sex from them. While some women use sex strategically in order to manipulate men. I am not making statements about probabilties and shares. It is rather a pattern that I concluded by hearing stories from other people. It could also be a stereotype. You often hear that with intelligence services and corruption. Orban and his followers tried to blackmail Peter Magyar with a sex tape. He had sex with his good looking ex, the room was taped and there was a white substance on the cupboard. Eventually the video wasn't released. Magyar went into offense and made a statement that he gets blackmailed. You hear that sex is used to compromise the powerful elites for politicial purposes. I am not refering to Epstein. The men were the clear perpetrators and were not manipulated. But sex was used strategically in this instance.
There are probably many factors. It might depend on how desperate the person is. People with satisfied sex lives are probably not easy to manipulate with it. On the other hand, maybe there are men who don't care much about having sex/have a low sex drive and as a consequence they are less susceptible for manipulation through sex. There are also asexual men. Or men very careful when a woman is approaching them.
I can remember I had a college seminar with tutors. And the tutor talked about Maslow's hierarachy of needs. And the (good looking) women behind me joked that the most important need for men is sex. And without that they will die. (It makes me think whether they actually read this forum. (joke) I think the lack of sex/intimacy contributes to the suicidality of many lonely men). I can remember there was a quite smart guy who was really annoyed by these stupid jokes and told the women to stop being so childish. One can argue these men are not craving primarily for sex but for intimacy more broadly but this might depend on the indiviual.
I am not sure whether this thought sounds stupid. But I think many women are aware that young men have a strong sex drive. And that they are in the stronger position when it comes to relationships.
From what women on dating apps told me they get bombarded with sexual harrassment. And that even in physcial meetings many women are scared of being touched in inappropriate ways. One could say men try to take their sexual pleasure with violence. And women are more often the victims of illegal or coerced prostitution. I think some men too.
I was manipulated by some women in the past. But it was most of the time more emotionally. I think I attract the wrong women. I am pretty emotionally open, inexperienced and naive. You can easily play with the perception of someone who had a psychosis. I even met a woman where I have to say retrospectively she was sort of like a fuck woman. (equivalent to a fuck boy in some sense). After we were intimate she started to ghost me (I had romantic interest in her). She was very popular among men and this wasn't something that surprised me that much.
There was a woman who I had a date with. The first date was really amazing and we had a great conversation. I knew though something must be off because it sounded like she was in a relationship. At the second date I had a complete different impression of her. I learned she was reuglarly into hard drug use and had sex with all people of her friend group. She and her friend treated me very poorly. I had the feeling she wanted to see whether I let them humiliate me just to get sex. That's one hypothesis. But I left the room, texted her how uncomfortable this evening made me and she was pretty pissed because I called out their behavior. I think I would have felt horrible if I agreed to this agreement. One should set boundaries. I think I am more interested in a romantic relationship than such a weird agreement. On the other side maybe this more like a social accident. I am not sure. This could have ended undignified and with shame on my side. And I think for casual sex this wouldn't be worth it. I am someone with a lot of shame. And I struggle in dating to make the first step or to get rejected. I think I often get the feeling of a narcissistic injury when I get rejected. And this can make me even acute suicidal. There are statistics that say prior to many suicides there happen narcissistic injuries. And it is true they can hurt me so extremely on an emotional level. I have become more careful because women played with me in the past. For me it is rather the feeling. No one wants me. I took the courage finally and got rejected. It helped me that I was in a short relationship with someone to get more relaxed on this issue. I am always scared my paranoia could ruin it. And this is why it is actually impossible anyone could like me. It is true I get easily paranoid when I am dating women. But I tend to date women that are neurodiverse and have more empathy with me. I hope so at least.
I think at the start of the thread I made too many generalizations. But maybe this will at least lead to some traffic. Lol. I think my thoughts on these issues tend to generalizations but I think it has to do with my black and white thinking. And that I tend to paranoia in dating. I am also autistic and getting the social cues is really hard for me. Maybe this is a stupid defense. I think it is hard for me hard to explain the social interactions because these topics can make me easily paranoid.
There are probably many factors. It might depend on how desperate the person is. People with satisfied sex lives are probably not easy to manipulate with it. On the other hand, maybe there are men who don't care much about having sex/have a low sex drive and as a consequence they are less susceptible for manipulation through sex. There are also asexual men. Or men very careful when a woman is approaching them.
I can remember I had a college seminar with tutors. And the tutor talked about Maslow's hierarachy of needs. And the (good looking) women behind me joked that the most important need for men is sex. And without that they will die. (It makes me think whether they actually read this forum. (joke) I think the lack of sex/intimacy contributes to the suicidality of many lonely men). I can remember there was a quite smart guy who was really annoyed by these stupid jokes and told the women to stop being so childish. One can argue these men are not craving primarily for sex but for intimacy more broadly but this might depend on the indiviual.
I am not sure whether this thought sounds stupid. But I think many women are aware that young men have a strong sex drive. And that they are in the stronger position when it comes to relationships.
From what women on dating apps told me they get bombarded with sexual harrassment. And that even in physcial meetings many women are scared of being touched in inappropriate ways. One could say men try to take their sexual pleasure with violence. And women are more often the victims of illegal or coerced prostitution. I think some men too.
I was manipulated by some women in the past. But it was most of the time more emotionally. I think I attract the wrong women. I am pretty emotionally open, inexperienced and naive. You can easily play with the perception of someone who had a psychosis. I even met a woman where I have to say retrospectively she was sort of like a fuck woman. (equivalent to a fuck boy in some sense). After we were intimate she started to ghost me (I had romantic interest in her). She was very popular among men and this wasn't something that surprised me that much.
There was a woman who I had a date with. The first date was really amazing and we had a great conversation. I knew though something must be off because it sounded like she was in a relationship. At the second date I had a complete different impression of her. I learned she was reuglarly into hard drug use and had sex with all people of her friend group. She and her friend treated me very poorly. I had the feeling she wanted to see whether I let them humiliate me just to get sex. That's one hypothesis. But I left the room, texted her how uncomfortable this evening made me and she was pretty pissed because I called out their behavior. I think I would have felt horrible if I agreed to this agreement. One should set boundaries. I think I am more interested in a romantic relationship than such a weird agreement. On the other side maybe this more like a social accident. I am not sure. This could have ended undignified and with shame on my side. And I think for casual sex this wouldn't be worth it. I am someone with a lot of shame. And I struggle in dating to make the first step or to get rejected. I think I often get the feeling of a narcissistic injury when I get rejected. And this can make me even acute suicidal. There are statistics that say prior to many suicides there happen narcissistic injuries. And it is true they can hurt me so extremely on an emotional level. I have become more careful because women played with me in the past. For me it is rather the feeling. No one wants me. I took the courage finally and got rejected. It helped me that I was in a short relationship with someone to get more relaxed on this issue. I am always scared my paranoia could ruin it. And this is why it is actually impossible anyone could like me. It is true I get easily paranoid when I am dating women. But I tend to date women that are neurodiverse and have more empathy with me. I hope so at least.
I think at the start of the thread I made too many generalizations. But maybe this will at least lead to some traffic. Lol. I think my thoughts on these issues tend to generalizations but I think it has to do with my black and white thinking. And that I tend to paranoia in dating. I am also autistic and getting the social cues is really hard for me. Maybe this is a stupid defense. I think it is hard for me hard to explain the social interactions because these topics can make me easily paranoid.
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