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- Jun 27, 2023
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I suggest we open a thread where men can tell their struggles. And if they want us women to be respectful and empathetic they better behave here.
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They need future workers of course, but it seems they just mass import people from the third world because they are willing to work for less money and will put up with more shit, I believe. Overall, I think it's about control. I think it's all about getting us separated. Wanting us all to live in tiny apartments and completely under surveillance. Like China or North Korea - or so it seems that way. But I think I should just stop now since I surely did not come to this site to debate conspiracy theories.Why do the elite hate the nuclear family? Don't they benefit from it (people having children aka more future wageslaves)?
I don't think I tried to one-up them. I never said anywhere in my first post on the first page that men have it harder, nor did I say women have it harder. I said that I wanted to understand the problem since there are a lot of men who don't. I NEVER compared struggles anywhere in my post. I think the worst thing I said was "I think misandry is completely valid given your life experience, but if that's valid that also means the misogyny (NOT talking at an institutional/government level) is also valid given someone's life experience as well is it not? Either both are okay, or none of them are okay." The whole point of my post was that if you want men to understand you can't just attack them expecting them to be won over it by it. Likewise you can't attack women and expect them to agree with you. That's all my post was about, I was referring to the very last sentence of OP's post and was merely saying that if you are going to attack a group of people then that group of people won't want to understand you. Nothing more. If there's something in it I missed that led you to the conclusion that I was being insensitive I'd like to know specifically what it was because I did not want to be like that. All I wanted to do was understand because as you said, I never experienced it since I'm not a woman, but I did want to understand it. Is that so bad?Your struggles are valid. But try to be mindful of others, when someone is saying that something bad happened to them, the worse thing to do is to try to one-up them by comparing your struggles. It IS hard being a woman, just because you don't have personal experience of that doesn't make it any less true. Empathy, folks.
The thing is. If a man opens up a thread calling all women misandrists that treat him like shit and that they have superiority complex he will just be called an incel in the comments. The ops post is strangely similar to that sentiment so why call one out and not the other?I suggest we open a thread where men can tell their struggles. And if they want us women to be respectful and empathetic they better behave here
Women are more likely to be X, Y and Z. This is a circular argument, unfortunately. I'm glad you can agree to the rest. Society is unfair to everyone, there is unfortunately a good reason why women would have housing prioritised over men in any case and I think you can see why that is.Men are more likely to be homeless, more likely to be drug addicts, more likely to die by suicide and they die 4-5 years earlier than women on average. That's just a few
I think she said "being a woman is unfair" and that s just true in many ways......I was just a little pissed off about OP's "all men are bastard" approach. That's as dumb as saying "woman are only good for sex"
"It feels like men just have a superiority complex that the world itself likes to stroke for them."I think she said "being a woman is unfair" and that s just true in many ways......
Where did you read "all men are bastards"?
And besides, it is here experience and opinion. Why does it piss men off? I dont get it really.
Ok sounds generalizing, I get it."It feels like men just have a superiority complex that the world itself likes to stroke for them."
"I wish men could ever understand this concept, but no matter what they won't."
If you said something else, then I'm sorry misunderstanding. You deleted your posts so I can't go back and reread them.I don't think I tried to one-up them. I never said anywhere in my first post on the first page that men have it harder, nor did I say women have it harder. I said that I wanted to understand the problem since there are a lot of men who don't. I NEVER compared struggles anywhere in my post. I think the worst thing I said was "I think misandry is completely valid given your life experience, but if that's valid that also means the misogyny (NOT talking at an institutional/government level) is also valid given someone's life experience as well is it not? Either both are okay, or none of them are okay." The whole point of my post was that if you want men to understand you can't just attack them expecting them to be won over it by it. Likewise you can't attack women and expect them to agree with you. That's all my post was about, I was referring to the very last sentence of OP's post and was merely saying that if you are going to attack a group of people then that group of people won't want to understand you. Nothing more. If there's something in it I missed that led you to the conclusion that I was being insensitive I'd like to know specifically what it was because I did not want to be like that. All I wanted to do was understand because as you said, I never experienced it since I'm not a woman, but I did want to understand it. Is that so bad?
I deleted my post just after you replied to it because I didn't see the point in doing this anymore. There isn't ever going to be a conversation about this. Neither side wants to cooperate.
If you think I'm wrong about everything I said fair enough. Like I said in the first post, I put myself in front of the firing squad and got shot. Not sure what I expected. Why is asking to be able to understand the problem considered not being empathetic? I'm genuinely confused as to what I did wrong. I never said being a woman wasn't hard. I don't know where this conclusion is coming from and would like to know what I said that made you think that because that was not my intention.
"Men are incredibly entitled and rude from my experience, and additionally far more violent. I've known lots of great men but even then they felt like their problems were simply 'worth more' than women or that women's problems weren't good enough""It feels like men just have a superiority complex that the world itself likes to stroke for them."
"I wish men could ever understand this concept, but no matter what they won't."
I deleted just one post. The one you replied to. "I tried to be. Look how that worked out. I wanted to try to understand and got shot down. I think no gender understands the other's struggles and never will. This entire forum is a great example of why." is what I said in the event your quote disappears from me deleting it.If you said something else, then I'm sorry misunderstanding. You deleted your posts so I can't go back and reread them.
It's good that you're trying to understand the problem, but the thing is that the majority of men do understand the problem but they don't think it's valid. This thread is such an easy example of that. A woman explains her struggles, men instead of understanding make it personal, as if a woman having it hard suddenly invalidates their life experiences. Like aren't we all on this site for the same reason? Why is it suddenly so bad for her?
Agreed on venting. My only question is, whether or not a similar thread would survive or whether the OP would be torn to shreds if it was the opposite gender. I know if it was a guy, I would personally look askance at them. My concern here is that some of the disconcerting parts of the OP seem to be backed up in some cases. I don't know, I don't think widening the gender divide is constructive. So I equally dislike such posts from either gender. I think it's possible to vent without making it too inflammatory or generalize too much, there needs to be a line drawn somewhere.My female intuition (lol) tells me, the OP was venting. When we have strong feelings we tend to generalize (all of us). That's human, that's ok.
The best would be to let her vent and don't take it personally.
Substitute the word man for woman in everything she said and the reaction would be 1000x worse including people calling op an incel. Obviously this is a vent, but when you paint the whole group of people like that you can't expect to have a 100% positive outcome. What if it wasn't gender but race?This thread is such an easy example of that. A woman explains her struggles, men instead of understanding make it personal, as if a woman having it hard suddenly invalidates their life experiences. Like aren't we all on this site for the same reason? Why is it suddenly so bad for her?
Why?I know if it was a guy, I would personally look askance at them.
I mean she kinda blamed men for everything. Furthermore, she has a pretty provocative sub-caption describing how men are pretty much the root of all evil. I just don't get it. Seems like she has some personal issues or maybe has had some bad experiences with men, but that doesn't justify her putting all men in same box. Sorry, but that's just dumb.I think she said "being a woman is unfair" and that s just true in many ways......
Where did you read "all men are bastards"?
And besides, it is her experience and opinion. Why does it piss men ( you) off? I dont get it really.
I meant if it was a guy posting "all women blah blah". Because simply I hate the gender divide, and I think fighting with and blaming each other as the cause of all problems is wrong. By look askance, I meant that I would definitely disapprove of them.Why?
If it was a man posting about male issues and male issues exclusively without bringing up women, would you be okay with it? They wouldn't be bringing up a gender divide then, right?I meant if it was a guy posting "all women blah blah". Because simply I hate the gender divide, and I think fighting with and blaming each other as the cause of all problems is wrong. By look askance, I meant that I would definitely disapprove of them.
Why is this a question? Anyway of course, and mentioning either gender is fine too, as long as they are respectful about it. I can empathise with people that get lonely, or that don't have many friends of either gender.If it was a man posting about male issues and male issues exclusively without bringing up women, would you be okay with it? They wouldn't be bringing up a gender divide then, right?
Don't get upset. I asked because how would I know otherwise? I cant tell your tone.Why is this a question? Anyway of course, and mentioning either gender is fine too, as long as they are respectful about it. I can empathise with people that get lonely, or that don't have many friends of either gender.
okI'm not upset at all, it was just a completely unexpected turn for me. None of us are mind-readers and can follow every train of thought.
That "male savior complex" ā guys call it having a spine & balls. We should all grow some! :) But tempered with morality & empathyhey good on the counterattack but what the fuck do any of those other words mean like what the hell I would turn around and run if I saw you irl also ur user is literally called 'sexy incel' I couldn't give half of a cows shit of anything you say + male savior complex + CNC kink inherently stems from the patriarchy + L + man + ratio
I struggle with this and feel so alone. Thank you for the mention. I also really appreciate and understand (as best I can) what woman endureTbh I think people within lgbtq+ (trans, nonbinary etc.) has it the hardest since there's so much taboo and judgement against their gender in general. Not saying us women doesn't have it hard, we certainly do. I'd honestly say that all genders has it hard tbh.
I feel like I'm on twitterhey good on the counterattack but what the fuck do any of those other words mean like what the hell I would turn around and run if I saw you irl also ur user is literally called 'sexy incel' I couldn't give half of a cows shit of anything you say + male savior complex + CNC kink inherently stems from the patriarchy + L + man + ratio
The sexism that underlies every bit of our society (I'm American, for context, but I do believe this broadly applies to the rest of the world.) is choking. I feel like I can't got 5 seconds without some form of sexist concept and patriarchal injustice coming up. It feels like men just have a superiority complex that the world itself likes to stroke for them. It sucks so bad when I feel like I can't do things because of the gendered concept of it. Fuck. I wish men could ever understand this concept, but no matter what they won't.
deepDon't bother. Misandry is allowed on sasu. I also learned that the hard way. Now I am just amused by these threads. It is pure malice and ignorance to not be able to see the flaws of humanity as a whole and just blame any other group that you don't identify with for everything.