Be careful handling N from D. Police confiscated my N today. Police are Watching.

[pthnrdnojvsc]

It doesn't look good does it!?


Personally I think (and have thought) this forum aught to be private. That is to say you should have to have an account to read anything here. With it being an open forum everything written on the boards can be viewed by anyone and Google (or whoever) will be indexing everything. I know it should be available to everyone and I know people can just create an account if they wanted to look at stuff but my view on that is, better the devil you know and can ban if found out. Alao it might to the reputation of the site a small amount of good to be at least a little private. We're currently leaving everything out in the open for LE and underage people to read with no filter. If someone posts a little too much info there's no taking it back so it's literally exposing our weakest link to the elements. At least with a closed forum moderators get time to delete sesitive info before it's out in the open public domain. Also from a personal point of view I don't really like having my posts available to the likes of Google etc. Even with good opsec I wouldn't want ro find my prorile here under scrutiny for any reason and attempts made to link it to my identity. I'm not saying it will happen. It could though. We all share thoughts ans info here and it could be scewed as being somewhat complicit in helping other ctb. The law isn't always a fair. Just saying.


BTW I believe OP. Whilst there's some clear naivety I definitely believe their account.

i believe OP too. Especially the 2nd post where they explained more of the issues with the OP. the 2nd post i think OP deleted because it had some info about the N from D

 

[Superdeterminist]

A lawmaker asked the Dept of Justice to investigate this website so it's possible they are helping to disrupt means and communication.

Trahan Leads Bipartisan Call for Action to Stop "Sanctioned Suicide" Website

Trahan Leads Bipartisan Call for Action to Stop “Sanctioned Suicide” Website

trahan.house.gov

Seems other lawmakers are urging action as well...

Lawmakers call on tech firms to take threat of suicide site seriously, limit its visibility

Congressional lawmakers are calling on technology companies to take the threat of websites that promote suicide seriously and limit their visibility after The New York Times published an investigat…

thehill.com

I fucking hate those assholes...

 

[Someone123]

Truthfully I didn't think that this could be shipped reliably into the U.S. and not get caught, because the U.S. DEA and other law enforcement agencies deal with a lot more complicated drug crimes than this every day. I don't think that burying this outside is likely to work either- the police monitor these threads I am sure and will look for this. Personally I would focus on methods that don't involve anything illegal- at least ctb itself is not illegal in the u.s.

 

[greyhound]

It was only a matter of time before the police caught on to D. Someone just had to CTB and they detect the pento in their tox screen. They then either find the packaging or check all recent deliveries to the address. Then they find how D sends it and start scrutinizing packages sent from that city in Mexico or maybe D even uses the same shipper account.

Either way it was probably a limited time that it was going to work. We need for someone to start selling the powder again on the DNMs. C where are you..?

 

[Smart No More]

Truthfully I didn't think that this could be shipped reliably into the U.S. and not get caught, because the U.S. DEA and other law enforcement agencies deal with a lot more complicated drug crimes than this every day. I don't think that burying this outside is likely to work either- the police monitor these threads I am sure and will look for this. Personally I would focus on methods that don't involve anything illegal- at least ctb itself is not illegal in the u.s.

Its been shipped to many people around the world including the US. Many methods of ctb, in fact almost all are far from peaceful. This is why N is so coveted. Customs don't natively test for barbiturates as they're no longer in circulation. That said, there is a weak point in the end user. Customs did nothing here really. Its end users using N and leaving traces and then LE trace things back from there. To pop up and be like 'I thought all along this couldn't be done' is nonsense. It clearly has been done for a long time and probably still is but there was always risk involved and it was made clear. Anyone doing this and assuming it's risk free is ignorant and naive.

Regarding burying, it's just a bad idea in general. It will be bad conditions for storing N. As far as LE monitoring talk here on the forum you should assume this to have always been the case. How much man power goes into it will vary. At time I would say little to none but after the NYT article I suspect things have started to ramp up. We're easy pickings being an open forum and by comparison to Exit forums we have no legal team covering our asses. They're as relevant if not more in this. Bearing in mind where we go for D's info in the first place.

I don't think D is compromised. I think that LE are identifying a set of identifying factors to identify previously shipped packages. They are of course now aware of what to look for and at this point the risk has increased significantly. Nobody is likely to be charged here. It's more a case of losing your money and N and having your address flagged. How LE will go from here is purely a guess. Who knows but I think it's now safe to say its not looking good for purchasing N in the US right now. As I said, to say it has always been the case is untrue. Clearly many have successfully done so and ctb with it. Unfortunately they weren't discrete in the process. I guess it's unfair to expect this of suicidal people as people who want to live are selfish and inconsiderate. I've seen many members here shamelessly say they DGAF about anything or anyone impacted by their act in ctb. It is what it is.

Honestly I'm frustrated as I had considered a future N purchase and now that's not so likely. I just hope someone decides to start selling powdered N. Its infinitely easier to ship discretely and easier to store for long periods without degradation. That said, I'm not fond of the thought that many might be getting hold of it and using it prematurely. Though it seems more like SN is fitting into that demographic from what I've seen. There's always outliers. Nothing is black and white.

It was only a matter of time before the police caught on to D. Someone just had to CTB and they detect the pento in their tox screen. They then either find the packaging or check all recent deliveries to the address. Then they find how D sends it and start scrutinizing packages sent from that city in Mexico or maybe D even uses the same shipper account.

Either way it was probably a limited time that it was going to work. We need for someone to start selling the powder again on the DNMs. C where are you..?

C popped up a few months back with the powder and suddenly vanished. A moderator on C's site posted that he'd vanished suddenly and they were refunding anyone who made orders that couldn't be shipped. Shortly after the site went offline and is no longer around.

 

[MellowAvenue]

I'm a bit curious which state you are in though I respect you not sharing it. Some state? counties, and city police law enforcement deal with different issues in different ways. Even still, this does show that some law enforcement in the US are likely beginning to try and crack down on this more which is worrisome regardless.

 

[Danjor88]

The only way they could know is if OP sent the money via moneygram, etc, and the previous people who also killed themselves also sent the same amount to the same person using the same money transfer service.

If they were aware of the labels and knew OP had it, then they'd have had to have opened it, in which case they wouldn't have delivered it, it would have been seized.

Clearly D isn't going to report you, unless he's hoping this is a way to get repeat orders since previously all of his customers were 1 time only purchasers.

 

[Brianiskillingme]

They (the OP) could be just phishing. Be careful everyone.

 

[Cathy Ames]

The only way they could know is if OP sent the money via moneygram, etc, and the previous people who also killed themselves also sent the same amount to the same person using the same money transfer service.

It seems like they could track packages through Fedex/UPS/whatever courier(s) if they know D's identity. They may currently be in the "building a case" phase of things. How easy is it to extradite a non-US citizen drug trafficker from a foreign country? Would a foreign country even do that, EVER? What if the trafficked drug is OTC in that country? Does that make it more difficult? I'm not sure we in the forum can really know what "the only way" is at this point.

I am willing to admit, I could be overestimating the computer skills of the various US agencies. But in my mind it is not impossible that they know who D is but cannot touch him. And maybe the drug enforcement agency in their own country doesn't care or is building a case.

 

[wljourney]

The only way they could know is if OP sent the money via moneygram, etc, and the previous people who also killed themselves also sent the same amount to the same person using the same money transfer service.

If they were aware of the labels and knew OP had it, then they'd have had to have opened it, in which case they wouldn't have delivered it, it would have been seized.

Clearly D isn't going to report you, unless he's hoping this is a way to get repeat orders since previously all of his customers were 1 time only purchasers.

They don't have to look at the granular financial transactions. That takes way too much effort.

once customs has identified one item of concern, the courier service will produce a list of customers at the click of a button who received similar packages (weight/shape/size/declared content) from the same shipping account within the last X days.

 

[bing]

Let me get this straight. Homeland Security came to your house today while you were by total coincidence just happened to be going out for a walk at that exact moment. Your father talked to Homeland Security and let them search the house without a warrant. They had time to search the entire house and find the N before you returned from your walk. Even though the N is disguised, they knew exactly where the N was hidden, and what it looks like. They had no trouble finding it.

After Homeland Security found the N, they just left? They didn't bother to wait for you to return from your walk, so they could talk to you? They didn't arrest you for possession of N, or call the local police and have you sectioned even though your father told them you are suicidal and had been involuntarily committed less than a month ago, and they found you had purchased something
that could kill you? They just left with the N?

What about your father? What did he say? You said he knows that you are suicidal. He is worried about you, and had you involuntarily hospitalized last month. Is he going to have you hospitalized again?

I don't want to be rude, but I find this story hard to believe. It doesn't make any sense. It is even more ridiculous than the OP's story.

I am dead serious. I have lurked this site for many years. Choose to believe it or not. My dad showed me the card given to him. And my N is gone. It is hard to believe I understand. I'm gonna tell you that D will soon find himself in trouble because clearly ICE is looking into him.

 

[Beer_is_all_I_have]

I agree but honestly this stuff has been shared on the forums multiple times since I joined. It's already out there. LE clearly already know the details as they pointed them out to OP in the visit. People have posted pics of the bottles and labels and all sorts. It's infuriating to say the least but it's done. It's all the more reason to make the forum a closed one as members will always do this and there's no taking it back. Even i this instance, it's done now. LE have only to look at the 'way back machine'. It will be there, unedited. :(

On a side note, has anyone contacted and spoken with D to make them aware this has happened. There's been reports of border seizures too (though I don't know the specifics so please don't ask). It's probably prudent for someone to have a little conversation with D about this. Ideal someone with a broad awareness of the details.

I've been wondering about this too.

But really, who wants to be the messenger in this scenario?

I've watched Ozark.

I emailed D about the incident. Told him I was worried about a second shipment I have coming. He said don't worry about it.

However looking at the tracking info I see it went through customs. Last shipment didn't show it going through customs. Perhaps paranoid but is it possible customs is now X-raying packages, looking for small bottles and then notifying LE in the receiving jurisdiction?

 

[wljourney]

It seems like they could track packages through Fedex/UPS/whatever courier(s) if they know D's identity. They may currently be in the "building a case" phase of things. How easy is it to extradite a non-US citizen drug trafficker from a foreign country? Would a foreign country even do that, EVER? What if the trafficked drug is OTC in that country? Does that make it more difficult? I'm not sure we in the forum can really know what "the only way" is at this point.

I am willing to admit, I could be overestimating the computer skills of the various US agencies. But in my mind it is not impossible that they know who D is but cannot touch him. And maybe the drug enforcement agency in their own country doesn't care or is building a case.

They may not even try to go after D, but make a bit of noise on the customer end to dissuade further purchases from prospective clients.

 

[Hercules]

I emailed D about the incident. Told him I was worried about a second shipment I have coming. He said don't worry about it.

However looking at the tracking info I see it went through customs. Last shipment didn't show it going through customs. Perhaps paranoid but is it possible customs is now X-raying packages, looking for small bottles and then notifying LE in the receiving jurisdiction?

Every international package has to go through customs. They already scan every package that goes through customs with an x ray or scanner machine in order to make sure that the item in the package matches what is on the declaration form. If they are suspicious that the item scanned doesn't match what is on the declaration form , or if they randomly open the package because they are suspicious for some reason, they would test what is in the bottle. They would not automatically notify LE just because a package has a bottle in it. People ship bottles with all kinds of products all of the time. Customs would only notify LE if they test the contents of the bottle, and they know there is something illegal in it.

 

[Smart No More]

I agree they won't be likely to bother D. They'd have to tell Mexican LE to deal with it and I suspect the most they have is an email address and perhaps a origin D sends from based on what they get from the courier service. There's probably a name on that but it's likely to be fake. If real I suspect it won't be D. An acquaintance most likely. Maybe a girlfriend. Hopefully not.

@Beer_is_all_I_have Every package goes through customs unless its a small flat envelope but even that goes through some vague scrutiny. Regardless of what your shipping say your package has to pass customs. Its just the way its recorded that's different. The fact its gone through customs means its probably coming. I assume it says released from customs? Either way, without wanting to worry you too much I would suggest preparing for the worst as forewarned is forearmed right? You will likely get your package IMHO but it may be followed by a knock as I get the feeling this event in OP isn't going to be a one off. I don't think anyone is going to surveil you/your property as some have suggested but you never know with LE. Honestly I think it unlikely as that's manpower for little to no return so if it were me I'd literally take delivery and walk out the door at the same time. Leave my package somewhere safe, go home and give it some time before returning to it. If a knock comes then you can decide for yourself what you want to say. If it were me I might be tempted to say I disposed of it out of panic. In fact I might actually do so but that's me.

Every international package has to go through customs. They already scan every package that goes through customs with an x ray or scanner machine in order to make sure that the item in the package matches what is on the declaration form. If they are suspicious that the item scanned doesn't match what is on the declaration form , or if they randomly open the package because they are suspicious for some reason, they would test what is in the bottle. They would not automatically notify LE just because a package has a bottle in it. People ship bottles with all kinds of products all of the time. Customs would only notify LE if they test the contents of the bottle, and they know there is something illegal in it.

Agreed. Just to add to that, barbiturates aren't a common drug these days so tests aren't likely to be common for it. It may be that some customs catch barbs where others have a blank result. This would be held up by the fact that people reported here of their bottles being pryed open and tested but still being delivered.

 

[watchingthewheels]

why would someone do that? to deter people from buying from N?

That, fearmongering, etc...

 

[YourNeighbor]

They (the OP) could be just phishing. Be careful everyone.

There are too many odd parts to this story, something doesn't add up. I don't think it's phishing by LEOs, given all the inconsistencies. More likely trolling.

In any case, here's a novel thought. If anyone here has done something illegal recently, don't write about it here.

 

[RainAndSadness]

(1) Make sure to hide your N in a different bottle than what D provided you.
[...]
(5) If you hide your bottles outside of your house or living space, you can say "the package never came to you" and even give permission for the police to search your place.

Most of that advice is sound. But (!) why would you let the police into your house without a search warrant? That doesn't make any sense. And if you fill N into a different bottle it's not gonna be a sterile substance anymore and it will significantly faster decrease in potency. You don't want that, you only give yourself a very restricted time window to use it. Your N comes in sealed bottles, keep it in there. Just hide your bottles well and your N is gonna last for years, it's not that difficult. And that's why people buy N, it gives them longterm security and reassurance that they can leave in peace when they're ready to go.
And don't talk to the police, any lawyer will tell you the same story. If they want to come into your house, they'll have to show a search warrant in most western countries. You don't get any plus points from being nice to the police.

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

How the fuck do they figure out it was N AFTER it passed through customs? I don't understand that.

 

[Quiet Desperation]

He posted receipts which looked legit but I told him to delete the copies as it possibly had compromising info

Just a reminder to everyone that posting pictures taken from the camera on your phone may expose your exact street address under the default settings...

 

[ayb]

If they don't have a warrant close the door on them and do not say anything else. There's nothing they can do at that point unless they get one. My advise would also be to find somewhere safer to store your N outside your home in the future (but still close by). That's just what I'd personally do though.

 

[downndone2]

why would someone do that? to deter people from buying from N?

Yeah, most likely a scare tactic to hope hope people dont order and stop posting about it. People do need to be discreet and not post his email in threads.

 

[Smart No More]

How the fuck do they figure out it was N AFTER it passed through customs? I don't understand that.

They're fishing. All they know is that a package with same details matching one they've found elsewhere has been delivered to whoever they visit. They're following a trail of identical packages IMHO. Unless they intercepted comms but I think they'd be more likely to just intercept packages then. It seems like the packages have to pass through the system first with them doing visits after delivery which suggests that's how they're identified.

 

[downndone2]

It doesn't look good does it!?


Personally I think (and have thought) this forum aught to be private. That is to say you should have to have an account to read anything here. With it being an open forum everything written on the boards can be viewed by anyone and Google (or whoever) will be indexing everything. I know it should be available to everyone and I know people can just create an account if they wanted to look at stuff but my view on that is, better the devil you know and can ban if found out. Alao it might to the reputation of the site a small amount of good to be at least a little private. We're currently leaving everything out in the open for LE and underage people to read with no filter. If someone posts a little too much info there's no taking it back so it's literally exposing our weakest link to the elements. At least with a closed forum moderators get time to delete sesitive info before it's out in the open public domain. Also from a personal point of view I don't really like having my posts available to the likes of Google etc. Even with good opsec I wouldn't want ro find my prorile here under scrutiny for any reason and attempts made to link it to my identity. I'm not saying it will happen. It could though. We all share thoughts ans info here and it could be scewed as being somewhat complicit in helping other ctb. The law isn't always a fair. Just saying.


BTW I believe OP. Whilst there's some clear naivety I definitely believe their account.

Sure, but it is obvious there are people who have accts that arent here as supporters.

 

[Sunset Limited]

If the DEA wants to find D, they can cooperate with the Mexican police. They just have to investigate the people who ordered an unusual amount of N in Mexico. I don't think they care too much about him.

 

[Alex6216]

If the DEA wants to find D, they can cooperate with the Mexican police. They just have to investigate the people who ordered an unusual amount of N in Mexico. I don't think they care too much about him.

The police in USA and Mexico dont care about heroin/cocaine drug gangs that sk*n and r*pe innocent people; I doubt they will care about some random who ships veterinary euthanasia meds to the suicidal, if they do then that just proves to me the war on drugs is a lie and those in power are psychopaths with messed up priorities

 

[Sunset Limited]

The police in USA and Mexico dont care about heroin/cocaine drug gangs that sk*n and r*pe innocent people; I doubt they will care about some random who ships veterinary euthanasia meds to the suicidal, if they do then that just proves to me the war on drugs is a lie and those in power are psychopaths with messed up priorities

Mexican police don't do it for their own people or anyone else, but if the DEA asks them to do it, they will. The DEA can do this in Mexico also. I don't think the DEA will do that. They don't care about the few people who die with N.

 

[SleepyBB]

I was going to say the same thing. This story is suspicious. There are too many things that don't add up if you read it carefully.

1. According to the OP, some police show up at his house, but he isn't sure who they are. The police didn't identify themselves, and the OP didn't bother to ask for ID. He just let them in his house and handed over his N, because they ask him to?

2. "The police (possibly DEA) came to my house today. They asked me to cooperate and give them the package that arrived from Mexico containing a liquid that was not what was advertised on the label."

The DEA would never say this. If the package was opened and tested at customs, the DEA would already know what it was, and they would have had a warrant saying that they were looking for N. According to the OP, the DEA don't appear to know the name of the liquid. Also they would know that when people buy recreational drugs online, they are always disguised as something else, and never labelled as what they really are.

3. The OP says that the labels on the bottles were changed. This is true as those of us who ordered N know. Some members have given a general hint to what the label is disguised as, but of course have not publicly stated what it is for obvious reasons. The OP doesn't seem to know what the N is disguised as, even though he claims to have the N. He only says that "It doesn't say Nembutal or Pentobarital or anything like that."


4. " The police said a lot of people are killing themselves with those bottles (the ones with the same labels that came with the N that I ordered from D). So apparently D must have many customers across the United States. But apparently they are not hiding the labels that D is using which is an instruction that D asked me to follow. D asked me to throw away the labels."

There is no way that the police are discussing this with the OP, and telling him how many people are ordering N from D and killing themselves with it. Why would they? The police don't come to your house, sit down at your kitchen table and gossip with you about police business and tell you how many other people are committing the same crime they are accusing you of. That would be very sloppy police work.

5. "Be aware the D could always call the cops on you if you give him your address."

D is not going to call the cops on you. He has a good thing going for him. In his line of work, building up a good reputation for himself is everything. He is not going to call the cops on his customers. If he did and word got out, he would be out of business. Also there is no way for him to turn his customers over to the police without implicating himself and risk going to jail himself. LE would be much more interested in figuring out who D is and prosecuting him than coming after and prosecuting us.

6. The OP says that the police know what is in the bottles, and that people are killing themselves with it. The OP never tells us what happens next. They don't arrest him for having the N, even though the OP hands it over to them and tells them what it is and admits that he purchased it? They don't ask the OP if he plans to kill himself or have him sectioned? They just take the N and leave? That just doesn't make any sense.

7. The OP isn't upset about what just happened. He just calmly writes this post, and then logs off instead of possibly calling a lawyer and telling him what just happened, and if he should be worried.

8. " Don't share a lot of private information on the forums because police are probably reading what you write. So the police could possibly triangulate who I am based on the event that just happened (they took my N) and me having written this post on the same day. I just thought I'd' help out other members of sanctioned suicide."

This last one doesn't even make any sense. Did the OP tell the police that he is a member of SS? If he didn't, why does he think that the police suspect he is an SS member? Why would the police even care? The OP told us that the police already came to his house. They already know who he is, and they confiscated his N and left. Why is he worried that the police are going to come on here, read through thousands of posts, and triangulate who he is based on his posts? According to him, they already know who he is and where he lives.

9. If LE really knew what they were looking for, most of the packages would be confiscated by customs. This is not the case. Most of us are getting our packages. Even in the cases where customs have opened the packages, most people still have received the packages. Very few have been confiscated.

(6)
is it possible that this story is fabricated? Maybe there was really a visit and seizure, however that the ops wouldn't press charges if they were informed of everything, including about this site, D, the buying process, emails and wallet ID's, and if the OP were to post this in good faith to help the ops.?

Okay didn't realize others thoughtlessly posted this info too. Was hoping it could be deleted before the way back machine had stored it.

Still wonder how he was exposed. It could through this site. I still wonder if it could be his payment service.

Were the transaction numbers visible?? that could blow that whole interaction

 

[Jaegerist123]

How the fuck do they figure out it was N AFTER it passed through customs? I don't understand that.

I am wondering the same thing.

One strange thing about their visit that comes to mind is that my roommate opened the door and they said "They have a report for a missing person" and they gave my roommate my name. My roommate said I was upstairs and then he came up stairs to get me. I went down stairs to find the police at the door. Then they dropped the missing person story and got me to go into the hallway with them. I really didn't want to resist what they were saying. They said they wanted to talk to me in private away from my roommate. Then they brought up the topic of the bottles that are killing people all over the united states. And that they came to retrieve it and that it contained pentobarbital and not what was advertised on the bottle. They said they were under HIPAA law to not talk to my roommate about the situation. And only until they got my permission did they tell my roommate what was happening. So even if initially they came in saying "there was a missing person" that could have been a cover story for the fact that they didn't want to share private information with anyone besides me, the person they were pursuing.

I think someone would have possibly called the police on me. I pointed at D because I don't know who else to point at. But to be honest, I hope that I'm wrong. I don't think that I would be right anyway since it puts D in jeopardy as well. But anyway, I don't really know what to say. I don't personally think it was D but I think someone maybe around D was the one who told the police. But that is a bad theory as well. I don't know.

I'm guessing it's just so strange for the police to come after the package had arrived if they even knew it was being shipped or something. I don't know.
Someone PM'd me asking for what payment method I used. I was afraid they were a police officer and so didn't tell them.

But if you really want to know. I didn't use Bitcoin to buy from D. I used a service very similar to western union but it is different. If you search for ways to send money to friends and family online on the internet, you will probably find the service that I used. Uh. I'm not really sure if I should give any names. The service was easy to use and I've talked about it in a previous post of mine so you can do your research.

Okay fine. I will give you the name since maybe it's not a big deal. It's this word: yltimer spelled backwards.

 

[wljourney]

Financial records are notoriously hard and slow to access.

These "visits" are most likely based on the courier service divulging contacts who have recently (within the last 7-10 days) received packages from the account D is using to ship.

That's the fastest way to receive reliable, up to date details (opposed to going to 1001 financial institutions, as everyone banks with a different financial organization).

All they needed was to find the empty bottles after someone CTB'd and then intercept one package. Who knows. Maybe someone CTBd and left the envelope out to be found.