Be careful handling N from D. Police confiscated my N today. Police are Watching.

[Smart No More]

Financial records are notoriously hard and slow to access.

These "visits" are most likely based on the courier service divulging contacts who have recently (within the last 7-10 days) received packages from the account D is using to ship.

That's the fastest way to receive reliable, up to date details (opposed to going to 1001 financial institutions, as everyone banks with a different financial organization).

All they needed was to find the empty bottles after someone CTB'd and then intercept one package. Who knows. Maybe someone CTBd and left the envelope out to be found.

Exactly. On top of that, or alongside it I should say, they will look for common factors. Package size, weight and shipping declaration. A number of factors will line up. This is why the parcel are delivered before they catching them currently IMHO. However now they may start being flagged in the system for further scrutiny if packages with the same stat go through.
You see, not all agencies along the route have optimal communication. Certainly not in real time. Its something that has to be put in place on a case by case basis as it would be impossible to do this across the board. I reckon LE have found something after someone used N to ctb and then linked that with seized packages (which have occurred in the past) and put the pieces together from there. That means that they can get through the mail whilst LE are working through the list of matching packages.

 

[wljourney]

Exactly. On top of that, or alongside it I should say, they will look for common factors. Package size, weight and shipping declaration. A number of factors will line up. This is why the parcel are delivered before they catching them currently IMHO. However now they may start being flagged in the system for further scrutiny if packages with the same stat go through.
You see, not all agencies along the route have optimal communication. Certainly not in real time. Its something that has to be put in place on a case by case basis as it would be impossible to do this across the board. I reckon LE have found something after someone used N to ctb and then linked that with seized packages (which have occurred in the past) and put the pieces together from there. That means that they can get through the mail whilst LE are working through the list of matching packages.

Exactly this seems to be happening right now.

The most recent report of (yet another) LE visit happened with the package not having been delivered.

I assume they have now "caught up" and packages are seized earlier in the process.

How far back do you think will they go with previous deliveries?

 

[Smart No More]

Exactly this seems to be happening right now.

The most recent report of (yet another) LE visit happened with the package not having been delivered.

I assume they have now "caught up" and packages are seized earlier in the process.

How far back do you think will they go with previous deliveries?

That's what I'm wondering. I would say anyone who got N from D should provisionally prep for worst case scenario and cover your back. Either safely dispose of it or put it somewhere suitable that nobody will find it.

 

[wljourney]

That's what I'm wondering. I would say anyone who got N from D should provisionally prep for worst case scenario and cover your back. Either safely dispose of it or put it somewhere suitable that nobody will find it.

Ok, this is beyond my level expertise so my question

What are some examples of reasonable steps that "cover your back"?

Especially if the items can't be stored outside the residence (for whatever reason).

 

[Smart No More]

Well ultimately a legal advisor would advise saying nothing as is your right and refusing access to the home unless a warrant is produced. They (LE) will be intimidating and talk in a way that makes you feel you're better off complying. That can be hard to see through and stand your ground against but if you have nothing in or around your home it should feel a bit less overwhelming because, worst case scenario they come in and find nothing.

It's a challenging situation and obviously N is illegal but were you to be charged (which is highly unlikely) its not going to be one that results in a custodial sentence in a western country. It would be relatively minor. I'm dubious of going into detail with suggestions as we're on a public forum so it's essentially showing LE what our MO is and giving them the upper hand when entering the situation. If they know what to expect they can be prepared for that.

So know your rights is the main advice and follow the advice any legal advisor would give you which is say nothing without them (legal representation) present.

 

[whitefeather]

THIS OP IS ANTI-CHOICE NEW TACTICS . USE PM ONLY FOR DETAILS ABOUT N/D. THIS POSTER LIFTED ALL THIS INFO RIGHT ON THE WEBSITE. AND DON'T GIVE OUT D'S ADDRESS TO NEWCOMERS.

 

[Shu]

THIS OP IS ANTI-CHOICE NEW TACTICS . USE PM ONLY FOR DETAILS ABOUT N/D. THIS POSTER LIFTED ALL THIS INFO RIGHT ON THE WEBSITE. AND DON'T GIVE OUT D'S ADDRESS TO NEWCOMERS.

They will just find it in the book.

 

[Hercules]

i believe the OP. Why has D stopped responding to emails if the OP is not true?

i understand your point of view . There are a lot of tricks on this website people posting lies to further the anti-choice agenda. However in this case i believe the OP is true

D has been known to suddenly stop responding to emails from time to time before, but he always came through in the end. In this case, he may have stopped responding to his email, because he is out of stock at the moment. He said that he only had a very little limited supply.

The OP story is most likely fake. His story is bizarre, and there are too many things that don't add up. He also can't get his story straight. If you want to catch someone in a lie, you ask them to repeat it and see if they tell you the same details. He has told 3 different stories in 3 days and changed significant details each time.

 

[Chronic]

I have no idea whether or not the story is bogus and haven't read the entire thread but it appears there is a global N shortage which could be why the known vendor is not responding to inquiries atm. Who knows...

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

D has been known to suddenly stop responding to emails from time to time before, but he always came through in the end. In this case, he may have stopped responding to his email, because he is out of stock at the moment. He said that he only had a very little limited supply.

The OP story is most likely fake. His story is bizarre, and there are too many things that don't add up. He also can't get his story straight. If you want to catch someone in a lie, you ask them to repeat it and see if they tell you the same details. He has told 3 different stories in 3 days and changed significant details each time.

This is not to say that D won't have supply in the near future and that people won't get supply of N in the near future , or that the LE visits will not stop. LE visits might have stopped already. no one knows the current status in the USA. People are very quiet on the public forum about recieving N but not in PM imo.

For all we know in the near future things could go back to the way they were a few months ago with people getting their N with no problems . Things might already be back to like they were months ago.
I think they will soon if not already. Then there is always SN. Just saw a report on SN megathread 25/25 sucess rate from PPh.

D started sending N again a few weeks ago and we haven't seen hardly any posts about people getting their N without LE visits ( and they may still get a LE visit). We should have seen a lot of these reports of getting N from D but we haven't after D ran out of stock and then started sending again.

Note: this is only in the USA and Canada so far. People in Europe might not have any problems recieving N with no LE visits.

There are several reliable members here who have received in PM several credible reports of LE visits. . . . . The reports in PM were almost identical to the ones on this thread very similar to the OP and the other reports , several police or homeland security etc. etc. There are 2 public reports on just this thread the OP and @bing.

This is @bing 's public report.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...today-police-are-watching.91243/#post-1616149

but some people are saying not reliable? what proof do you have of that? Human memory is very bad. . who remembers what the people were wearing the last few times you went to the grocery store? Who can remember 10 phone numbers if given to them.

imo it's ludicrous to assume all the PM reports and these 2 were fabricated when that won't stop people from ordering : the reports are actually saying nothing happened to the recipients of N only cofiscation so out of money. if they wanted to scare people they'd say they were arrested wouldn't they and are facing a trial or commitment to a hospital etc. more dire consequences than a wellness visit.

This is not to say that D won't have supply in the future or that the LE visits will not stop. they might have stopped already. no one knows the current status in the USA. LE did wellness visits and confiscation of N in 2019.
See the following article .The U.S. has known since 2019 of people getting N and alerted french authorities:

Nembutal raids across France – The World Federation of Right to Die Societies

wfrtds.org

The following is an excerpt from the article
"
On 15 October, members of organisation Ultime Liberte (WF member) were subject to early dawn raids by the French Police. In a tip-off by the US authorities (also in last July), the French Police went knocking on elderly people's doors at 6am, demanding entry and that they hand over their drugs.

As a result, 130 bottles of Nembutal were seized in 103 different locations across 18 regions in France. News reports state that over 300 French police officers were involved. To date, Exit knows of no arrests.
"

 

[wljourney]

I don't think the OP changed his story considerably. considering the stress a LE visit can produce it's highly likely to leave out details at first and remember them later.

Overall the OP's report also matches multiple reports I have received now by DM from reliable forum members.

But in the end, everyone has to make their own risk assessments.

Does anybody know if this has happened to anybody else recently?

Hoping this is just an isolated event.

I have had about 6 people now reporting a very similar situation via DM. Similar procedure, some had received their items and voluntarily gave them up, others were seized before they could be delivered.
Both in the US and Canada.

 

[Smart No More]

I think paranoia just comes with the territory here on the forum. It is often disproportionate. I've noticed it a lot lately too. Particularly surrounding this issue.

 

[Chronic]

OP's exit thread

 

[Funeralprincess]

And I doubt they'd show up for one guy with two bottles. If they thought they could gain leverage into a smuggling operation, sure, I could see it. Then they'd sit on you until they had enough to move. This stuff they'd confiscate at customs, and maybe send you a note. They really don't have the budget to intervene on suicidal individuals.

Well that's obviously not true, seeing as how many suicidal people have reported LE showing right up at their door due to buying N

 

[illvoid]

I haven't seen a story this fake since the Tumblr era. The more you read, the more is wrong with it.

 

[Smart No More]

P:eople in the u.s. consistently report that their N is not getting through- it's better for people in the u.s. to save their money and use another method. The DEA goes to great lengths to catch people who try to get illegal drugs, but they don't have to go to any lengths to catch peoplee who post about it here. They are able to look up a person's internet address and get thgeir home address as easy as pie- there in no investigation needed- this isn't paranloia, it is a fact that these people have job to do and posting about it here maskes their job as easy as anything could ever be.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm fully awate these things are happening and if you share private info here and don't use a vpn then you're doing yourself a disservice to put it kindly. I'm not saying there's no need to be fearful of reprise from ordering illegal substances. That should go without saying. I'm just saying that sometimes paranoia reaches fever pitch round here because people have a tendency to state their conjecture as fact and that in turns whips things up in an ever increasing crescendo of paranoia. So, as I say, paranoia comes with the territory. That's not to say that there's no reason to be cautious.

If you read my post linked below you'll see I'm fully aware and acknowledge the things you listed. Again, us a VPN.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-from-d-megathread.77724/post-1688538

:EDIT and now I see you deleted your post.

 

[hellispink]

According to the law, the police can't enter or search your house unless there is a valid probable cause. DO NOT give them access to enter so they can't find it. One must say it never came to the house. I suggest you check the amendments too to avoid putting suspicion or saying more than one needs to.

 

[The Abyss]

UK law is a lot different to US I believe in that you can't require a warrant & they can just barge in under some drug law or mental health act if you decline?

There's a lot less freedom in this country.

 

[DreamEnd]

is it still dangerous to order N from D?

 

[Smart No More]

Nobody has his email address right now unless you have access to the Essentials PPEH. Old email addresses are dead. Don't use any email address provided by members. There's been someone scamming here. Look at the N from D megathread or recent N from D threads. A member got banned a day or so ago for sharing an address of (and most likely being) a scammer.

 

[DreamEnd]

Nobody has gis email address right now unless you have access to the Essentials PPEH. Old email addresses are dead. Don't use any email address provided by members. There's been someone scamming here. Look at the N from D megathread or recent N from D threads. A member got banned a day or so ago.

do you know when the new email is supposed to drop?

 

[Smart No More]

do you know when the new email is supposed to drop?

It's in the ppeh essentials.

No idea when or if anyone will upload it here.

 

[Someone123]

is it still dangerous to order N from D?

I have seen several posts in the past month or two where it did make it to the u.s. but they were unable to get it through customs, so it the u.s. it seems likely you'll just lose your money.

 

[justanotherone2022]

It's in the ppeh essentials.

No idea when or if anyone will upload it here.

Can someone share it with me, please?

Or do you guys know any other reliable source to get N?

I just want to go...

 

[Smart No More]

Can someone share it with me, please?

Or do you guys know any other reliable source to get N?

I just want to go...

Don't use links people send you vi pm without verifying it first at least a couple of times. People have been losing their money to scammers here. If you're 50+ you can get a ppeh essentials subscription.

 

[justanotherone2022]

Don't use links people send you vi pm without verifying it first at least a couple of times. People have been losing their money to scammers here. If you're 50+ you can get a ppeh essentials subscription.

It's so sad "people" do this. But nothing surprises me anymore.

I just came to this forum with hopes that some old user could provide me a way to get it.

Everyday is a burden. I got to the point that I'll go in the exact same day I get it.

 

[hopeless123]

To date, Exit knows of no arrests.

Am I the only person to be arrested for possession of N? Fuck my life.

Just as a follow up from my arrest in July in the UK, I've heard nothing back from the police or this community order thing. I did get a call from Adult Social Services in Woking a few weeks later. The lady on the phone sounded sympathetic. I said who isn't feeling suicidal at the moment and she agreed, she closed my case and I was refered back to my GP. I told him about my N, which he knew about because he was reading the notes on his screen while I was talking to him and he took it in his stride. He said there is a case for people who want to die and you come across as lucid and present well and he said if you didn't he'd be concerned. I said I've come as far as I can in my life as I could.

I've spoken to my mother, colleagues and my two best friends so far about my arrest, and apart from the very awkward opening, everyone has been very accepting about it. I tried describing having N like driving my car with insurance, death isn't something I need to worry about.

But now I'm back to carrying around a climbing rope in my rucksack with me at all times. It's either partial, jumping from my local car park, Beachy Head or maybe SN.

I think I glanced this thread in May or whatever but just ignored it. I wish I hadn't..

 

[Smart No More]

Am I the only person to be arrested for possession of N? Fuck my life.

Just as a follow up from my arrest in July in the UK, I've heard nothing back from the police or this community order thing. I did get a call from Adult Social Services in Woking a few weeks later. The lady on the phone sounded sympathetic. I said who isn't feeling suicidal at the moment and she agreed, she closed my case and I was refered back to my GP. I told him about my N, which he knew about because he was reading the notes on his screen while I was talking to him and he took it in his stride. He said there is a case for people who want to die and you come across as lucid and present well and he said if you didn't he'd be concerned. I said I've come as far as I can in my life as I could.

I've spoken to my mother, colleagues and my two best friends so far about my arrest, and apart from the very awkward opening, everyone has been very accepting about it. I tried describing having N like driving my car with insurance, death isn't something I need to worry about.

But now I'm back to carrying around a climbing rope in my rucksack with me at all times. It's either partial, jumping from my local car park, Beachy Head or maybe SN.

I think I glanced this thread in May or whatever but just ignored it. I wish I hadn't..

I'm really glad you presented well and have an understanding doctor. I don't think I'd have that look no matter how well I presented. It's horrible to think of a person like yourself considering such violent ways to end their life. I'm guessing you're under 50 right? You know, with a soctor as understanding as your you might have a chance in the assisted euthenasia scene. Sounds like you might bw able to get the relevant doctors notes needed. Expence may be prohibitive though.

It's so sad "people" do this. But nothing surprises me anymore.

I just came to this forum with hopes that some old user could provide me a way to get it.

Everyday is a burden. I got to the point that I'll go in the exact same day I get it.

Unfortunately you came at a bad time. D just chabged address so the older members don't have it. Also people have been receiving visits and seizures. Then there's the general reluctance to offer sources to very new members for various reasons. Ethics and legality being high on the list. New members stand a chance of being bad actors too. I guess I'm saying maybe hold out while you can if you can.

 

[justanotherone2022]

I'm really glad you presented well and have an understanding doctor. I don't think I'd have that look no matter how well I presented. It's horrible to think of a person like yourself considering such violent ways to end their life. I'm guessing you're under 50 right? You know, with a soctor as understanding as your you might have a chance in the assisted euthenasia scene. Sounds like you might bw able to get the relevant doctors notes needed. Expence may be prohibitive though.



Unfortunately you came at a bad time. D just chabged address so the older members don't have it. Also people have been receiving visits and seizures. Then there's the general reluctance ro offer sources to very new members for various reasons. Ethics and legality being high on the list. New members stand a chancw of being bad actors too. I guess I'm saying maybe hold out while you can if you can.

I'm aware of the situation. And it leaves me sad this is happening and delaying our suffering.

I already got scammed this week.

And still I have hope that some kind soul will help me find peace. A peace I never knew and I never will. That's why I would like to go with N. Because after all I dealt and I'm dealing with, I think I deserve at least to go peacefully.

I'm from a very quiet country and I'm looking for a fast and discreet delivery.

Help me, please.

 

[conflagration]

Oh it happens again. 3 years ago I ordered N from (I think) A. 2 months later police raided my house and took it away. Probably now my name is on blacklist and everything I order from abroad is searched by customs. I guess if I will decide die SN is the way