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Pegasos and Lifecircle.Do you know which vad clinics accept non terminal people for vad?
Pegasos and Lifecircle.Do you know which vad clinics accept non terminal people for vad?
Just know that unless you were s resident of Germany, they won't take foreigners. I already emailed them about this. I don't know about exit international and their policies though. I'll have to test up on them.Sterbehilfe.de (in their rooms in Switzerland or in Germany) and Ex International (not Exit !).
Personally, I'd love to go this route but I'm neither terminally ill, nor do I have a documented medical history of depression. Also, I believe you need someone with you and I don't want to tell anyone I know.I'm wondering why would someone prefer such an expensive and complicated method when you can order the stuff online? But maybe there is a reason, I don't know
1. Not in Germany, but in their rooms in Switzerland. 2. It´s not Exit International, not Exit, it´s Ex-International !Just know that unless you were s resident of Germany, they won't take foreigners. I already emailed them about this. I don't know about exit international and their policies though. I'll have to test up on them.
What about dignitas? Don't they take non,-terminally ill patients?
The people you talk about, are they in this thread? (personally, I haven't looked)There has been some members here in the forum who have gotten accepted due to severe physical illnesses but looks like they have left already and not active anymore.
No, the ones I personally have heard for getting accepted arent active here anymore.The people you talk about, are they in this thread? (personally, I haven't looked)
I looked into it, it is an extra $1000 or $1500 for psych clearance if you have depression and takes longer for decision. You must be of "sound mind." You also have to put down $5000 and if denied I believe you only get $3500 back. You can also pay $1500 to have someone verify your identity if you dont want to take someone with you. This is for PegasosDon't quote me on this, but I think they may accept depression if you can show by your doctor's notes that you have tried many medications therapies, etc to help reduce your symptoms but that they have failed.
IMO, first go to the websites of these places and see what qualifies. If treatment resistant depression (ie. Mental illness) qualifies then you're good to go as long as can get your psychiatrist's notes and have him or her state that you have tried XYZ treatments but failed. That doesn't mean you have to have had ECT treatments... Just that medications, and hopefully therapy have failed thus causing great amount of mental suffering. But first, read of these Swiss places accepts major depressive disorder. One thing they don't accept are those individuals who don't have a 'sound mind' meaning that they are incapable of making informed logical and reasonable choices for themselves. Hope that helps a bit.
That is a drawback and I'm sorry that you can't use that. I actually do have a terminal illness, but my physicians are playing games in that they are not giving me a fitting diagnosis stating that I have an issue. It's a long and convoluted story which I don't want to get into right now. If my physician(s) were actually honest, I would have been able to come there. It's too bad for me that I have not been given a proper diagnosis and they refuse to do so. I know if I was living elsewhere like in a different country that I would be able to get a VAD. Damn...I wish I lived in Switzerland.
You also need a witness present on the CTB day. Not easy to get.I looked into it, it is an extra $1000 or $1500 for psych clearance if you have depression and takes longer for decision. You must be of "sound mind." You also have to put down $5000 and if denied I believe you only get $3500 back. You can also pay $1500 to have someone verify your identity if you dont want to take someone with you. This is for Pegasos
You can pay an extra $1500 for witnessYou also need a witness present on the CTB day. Not easy to get
Their website has just about everything you need to know before starting app process. You have to pay $100 membership fee before you can apply.You can pay an extra $1500 for witness
You can pay an extra $1500 for witness
Their website has just about everything you need to know before starting app process. You have to pay $100 membership fee before you can apply.
For legal reasons, everyone who comes for a VAD at Pegasos must have someone known to them who is able to confirm the patient's identity after VAD (by co-signing a paper together with the MD) for the Swiss authorities.
It says somewhere on their page. I cant remember the organization but they send someone to your VADHow does that work? Their FAQ said the following:
I didn't know about psych clearance but that's not my issue. Do we have any idea about how much medical documents we need to support our application for a VAD? I mean, is one good enough and how strong of a report does it have to be? I swear they want multiple medical reports about your medical diagnoses, prognosis, treatments tried still far etc. and not just one. Also, just you have a specific defined condition of could it be a descriptor of what you are experiencing? My reports by my physicians are not accurate or reliable with reference to what is actually going on with me physically. I know life circle requires several medical reports which mention the same disease or diagnoses,I looked into it, it is an extra $1000 or $1500 for psych clearance if you have depression and takes longer for decision. You must be of "sound mind." You also have to put down $5000 and if denied I believe you only get $3500 back. You can also pay $1500 to have someone verify your identity if you dont want to take someone with you. This is for Pegasos
You say you can pay a certain amount of money for someone to know you (basically a witness). But how does paying someone money who has no idea who you are, become a person who "knows you" to identify the body?also need a witness present on the CTB day. Not easy to get.
In the same faq it states there are options which will ne discussed if you dont have someone you know at the vadIt says somewhere on their page. I cant remember the organization but they send someone to your VAD
I'm not sure the amount of med docs needed. That might be my issue. I have med and psych. I'd probably just give them my med stuff.I didn't know about psych clearance but that's not my issue. Do we have any idea about how much medical documents we need to support our application for a VAD? I mean, is one good enough and how strong of a report does it have to be? I swear they want multiple medical reports about your medical diagnoses, prognosis, treatments tried still far etc. and not just one. Also, just you have a specific defined condition of could it be a descriptor of what you are experiencing? My reports by my physicians are not accurate or reliable with reference to what is actually going on with me physically. I know life circle requires several medical reports which mention the same disease or diagnoses,
I'm sure they look at documents with photo ID but their website clearly says you there are ways if you do not gave someone to bring with youYou say you can pay a certain amount of money for someone to know you (basically a witness). But how does paying someone money who has no idea who you are, become a person who "knows you" to identify the body?
I have applied and they originally said they do accept people with mental illness, however the price upfront they wanted was so expensive and that's just their "fee" alone, not including other things. I was frustrated with it honestly. Acceptance depends on a lot of factors and the cash on hand is one of them :(Hi all!
Anyone here has applied or is going to apply for assisted suicide/dying in Switzerland or in somewhere else? Anyone going to travel for assisted dying?
Thank you!
Hi! Did you go through the whole application process? Were you accepted/planning on going? Thanks for sharing!I have applied and they originally said they do accept people with mental illness, however the price upfront they wanted was so expensive and that's just their "fee" alone, not including other things. I was frustrated with it honestly. Acceptance depends on a lot of factors and the cash on hand is one of them :(
"a doctor would still have to approve me" This only applies if it´s a mental illness. Only in this case Pagasos needs an expert opinion of a psychiatrist in Switzerland. If it´s only a physical illness send in all paperwork you have and Pegasos lawyers and doctors decide.I did go through it but it was too expensive for me to go and they said a doctor would still have to approve me, but no guarantee that they would
i feel you :(I'm a Swiss citizen not wealthy or terminally ill... So the opportunity to die with dignity isn't there for me.
Again: You have NOT to be terminally ill and NOT to be Swiss citizen (only when you apply to Exit). Have you ever read the conditions of the 7 associations in Switzerland ?i feel you :(
i actually live in switzerland and i've never ever heard that you can get AS for mental illness.Again: You have NOT to be terminally ill and NOT to be Swiss citizen (only when you apply to Exit). Have you ever read the conditions of the 7 associations in Switzerland ?
The 10,000CHF plus expenses is the roadblock here.. I don't have that .. that kind of money could help me get out of this hole I'm in or at least pay for a lawyer for me to fight for my sonAgain: You have NOT to be terminally ill and NOT to be Swiss citizen (only when you apply to Exit). Have you ever read the conditions of the 7 associations in Switzerland ?
Hey befree are you going to have a vad?"a doctor would still have to approve me" This only applies if it´s a mental illness. Only in this case Pagasos needs an expert opinion of a psychiatrist in Switzerland. If it´s only a physical illness send in all paperwork you have and Pegasos lawyers and doctors decide.
"i dont know where you people get that from?" Read the conditions of the 7 associations in Switzerland, especially Pegasos.i actually live in switzerland and i've never ever heard that you can get AS for mental illness.
i dont know where you people get that from?
Do you know who else said they sent a deposit and didn't hear back? This is happening to me! And I am worried they have scammed me.Pegasos in Switzerland accepts people with only Depression, but it cost you $11,000 plus it takes a long time to get accepted plus some here said they sent a big deposit and then there was no more word from them--Plus you need another person or family member to identify you
The two American women who went to Pegasos recently, successfully committed suicide and they were not terminally ill nor were they disabled in any way
It is on the Pegasos website that it us NOT excluded but you have to be "of sound mind". That is where the extra $1000 for psych comes ini actually live in switzerland and i've never ever heard that you can get AS for mental illness.
i dont know where you people get that from?
Sorry to hear that--How long has it been since you sent the deposit? Sometimes they take a long time to respond backDo you know who else said they sent a deposit and didn't hear back? This is happening to me! And I am worried they have scammed me.