Discussion Assisted suicide, VAD, Pegasos, Dignitas...

[dropintheocean]

Hi all!

Anyone here has applied or is going to apply for assisted suicide/dying in Switzerland or in somewhere else? Anyone going to travel for assisted dying?

Thank you!

 

[befree]

Send me a PM if you want.

 

[ben7]

I was thinking about this and wondered what people thought the pros and cons were about talking to their family about this method (if you are very ill and accepted) versus just disappearing one day? I feel like VAD would be a very hard thing for them to get on board with but less shocking than the alternative? Has anyone tried this conversation with family?

 

[Cryptonite]

I'm wondering why would someone prefer such an expensive and complicated method when you can order the stuff online? But maybe there is a reason, I don't know

 

[ben7]

I think three things you get for your money are: removal of shock for others, having someone there, legality of process

 

[WorthlessTrash]

I'm wondering why would someone prefer such an expensive and complicated method when you can order the stuff online? But maybe there is a reason, I don't know

Access to N.
I would if any of them would accept foreigners.

 

[Cryptonite]

Access to N.
I would if any of them would accept foreigners.

But you can also get N online? I mean, not now, because it's temporarily out of stock, but normally you can

 

[WorthlessTrash]

But you can also get N online? I mean, not now, because it's temporarily out of stock, but normally you can

I dont think I'd go through with it on my own. Plus I'd rather die traveling.

 

[braindead91]

They need to bring this to America as soon as possible.

 

[DyingMiND]

They accept foreigners who have legitimate medical illnesses that can be backed up by medical records. They generally require a family member, maybe friend, to identify the body. I would prefer this way instead of trying to acquire N as it is illegal which could mean jail and/or heavy fines. If you can afford it, I would choose this.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Damn, i only have depression. No luck for me.

 

[CannotAnymore]

I'm a Swiss citizen not wealthy or terminally ill... So the opportunity to die with dignity isn't there for me.

 

[DyingMiND]

Damn, i only have depression. No luck for me.

Don't quote me on this, but I think they may accept depression if you can show by your doctor's notes that you have tried many medications therapies, etc to help reduce your symptoms but that they have failed.

IMO, first go to the websites of these places and see what qualifies. If treatment resistant depression (ie. Mental illness) qualifies then you're good to go as long as can get your psychiatrist's notes and have him or her state that you have tried XYZ treatments but failed. That doesn't mean you have to have had ECT treatments... Just that medications, and hopefully therapy have failed thus causing great amount of mental suffering. But first, read of these Swiss places accepts major depressive disorder. One thing they don't accept are those individuals who don't have a 'sound mind' meaning that they are incapable of making informed logical and reasonable choices for themselves. Hope that helps a bit.

I'm a Swiss citizen not wealthy or terminally ill... So the opportunity to die with dignity isn't there for me.

That is a drawback and I'm sorry that you can't use that. I actually do have a terminal illness, but my physicians are playing games in that they are not giving me a fitting diagnosis stating that I have an issue. It's a long and convoluted story which I don't want to get into right now. If my physician(s) were actually honest, I would have been able to come there. It's too bad for me that I have not been given a proper diagnosis and they refuse to do so. I know if I was living elsewhere like in a different country that I would be able to get a VAD. Damn...I wish I lived in Switzerland.

 

[Endtimes1]

I'm a Swiss citizen not wealthy or terminally ill... So the opportunity to die with dignity isn't there for me.

You don't have to be terminally ill and if you can afford 5k for application, after this you could take a few small loans for the rest 5k if you get approved.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Resort to CTB I must.

 

[DyingMiND]

You don't have to be terminally ill and if you can afford 5k for application, after this you could take a few small loans

I know you don't have to be terminally ill, but they definitely want hospital and/or physician's notes stating you have some severe medical condition that is causing you severe disability, pain, etc. Otherwise, they can't justify a VAD to their lawyers. For them to remain in business, they will definitely want to avoid being sued. Remember, most individuals who use their services tend to be elderly with multiple medical comorbities even if they don't have a terminal illness. So, if you're younger and don't have a terminal illness, that's fine. But you should be able to show that you have a significant medical condition causing you disability, pain, etc. That's why it's crucial to read their guidelines first in order to see if you qualify for their services.

Hope that sheds some light on the issue.

 

[befree]

I would if any of them would accept foreigners.

Only 2 of the 7 VAD associations in Switzerland do not accept foreigners. We already had the whole discussion several times.

 

[dropintheocean]

I'm a Swiss citizen not wealthy or terminally ill... So the opportunity to die with dignity isn't there for me.

Hi, do you know how Swiss society see these Vad clinics? Does the society in general accept their work?

Only 2 of the 7 VAD associations in Switzerland do not accept foreigners. We already had the whole discussion several times.

Pegasos, Dignitas, Lifecircle accept foreigners. Which 2 in addition?

 

[befree]

Hi, do you know how Swiss society see these Vad clinics? Does the society in general accept their work?

Pegasos, Dignitas, Lifecircle accept foreigners. Which 2 in addition?

Sterbehilfe.de (in their rooms in Switzerland or in Germany) and Ex International (not Exit !).

 

[dropintheocean]

You don't have to be terminally ill and if you can afford 5k for application, after this you could take a few small loans for the rest 5k if you get approved.

Have you applied or going to?

 

[befree]

I'm a Swiss citizen not wealthy or terminally ill... So the opportunity to die with dignity isn't there for me.

You don´t have to be terminally ill to apply to Pegasos. You don´t even have to be ill, but judgemental.
As a Swiss citizen you can apply to Exit (not Exit International !) and pay less than CHF10.000,-.

 

[dropintheocean]

I was thinking about this and wondered what people thought the pros and cons were about talking to their family about this method (if you are very ill and accepted) versus just disappearing one day? I feel like VAD would be a very hard thing for them to get on board with but less shocking than the alternative? Has anyone tried this conversation with family?

I think the biggest pro is safety and guarantee that the method works and you dont end up worse. Several other pros too like could be less traumatic for relatives. Also hopefully a more positive experience to the person who dies.

Of course its a challenging topic for sure and very personal one. Speaking with ones close ones offers much possibilities but also may be really hard. Many dont accept even euthanasia let alone vad/suicide. Im trying to speak about it with some close ones to the best of my abilities.

 

[ben7]

Thanks for this - I am considering speaking about it as an option to close ones too - my worry is if I open it up as a subject and they don't support it and I end up choosing the alternative, they may feel guilty later on that they didn't back this option. Plus, even though we've all had time to get used to it and something like VAD feels positive, its still a shocking thing for others to hear I think (but perhaps not as shocking as the alternative). Such a complicated business.

 

[outrider567]

Damn, i only have depression. No luck for me.

Pegasos in Switzerland accepts people with only Depression, but it cost you $11,000 plus it takes a long time to get accepted plus some here said they sent a big deposit and then there was no more word from them--Plus you need another person or family member to identify you

I know you don't have to be terminally ill, but they definitely want hospital and/or physician's notes stating you have some severe medical condition that is causing you severe disability, pain, etc. Otherwise, they can't justify a VAD to their lawyers. For them to remain in business, they will definitely want to avoid being sued. Remember, most individuals who use their services tend to be elderly with multiple medical comorbities even if they don't have a terminal illness. So, if you're younger and don't have a terminal illness, that's fine. But you should be able to show that you have a significant medical condition causing you disability, pain, etc. That's why it's crucial to read their guidelines first in order to see if you qualify for their services.

Hope that sheds some light on the issue.

The two American women who went to Pegasos recently, successfully committed suicide and they were not terminally ill nor were they disabled in any way

 

[dropintheocean]

Thanks for this - I am considering speaking about it as an option to close ones too - my worry is if I open it up as a subject and they don't support it and I end up choosing the alternative, they may feel guilty later on that they didn't back this option. Plus, even though we've all had time to get used to it and something like VAD feels positive, its still a shocking thing for others to hear I think (but perhaps not as shocking as the alternative). Such a complicated business.

I hear you, its a very sensitive and challenging topic. And a taboo. Are you planning on applying for Vad?

 

[ben7]

I hear you, its a very sensitive and challenging topic. And a taboo. Are you planning on applying for Vad?

I feel like its the best decision for me but I know if I took that option I would have to discuss with family, and sometimes opening that can of worms and upsetting everyone makes other solo alternatives seem quicker and more attractive
how about you?

I hear you, its a very sensitive and challenging topic. And a taboo. Are you planning on applying for Vad?

 

[befree]

some here said they sent a big deposit and then there was no more word from them

One person in this forum claims this, but as we all know, this is not true. As far as I´m informed this person didn´t send in all required papers. But in the meantime this person has received an answer.

 

[outrider567]

One person in this forum claims this, but as we all know, this is not true. As far as I´m informed this person didn´t send in all required papers. But in the meantime this person has received an answer.

ok, thanks for clearing that up

 

[dropintheocean]

One person in this forum claims this, but as we all know, this is not true. As far as I´m informed this person didn´t send in all required papers. But in the meantime this person has received an answer.

Did she/he tell you that not all papers were sent?

 

[dropintheocean]

You don't have to be terminally ill and if you can afford 5k for application, after this you could take a few small loans for the rest 5k if you get approved.

Do you know which vad clinics accept non terminal people for vad? Are you applying?