Discussion Ask a mortician.

[roguetrader]

From the sounds of it, dead bodies are found pretty much in only 2 conditions - ugly or very ugly

 

[Skathon]

A non-legally binding note has no effect other than to potentially guide your loved ones on their decisions of what to do with your remains.

No, I mean a note for the medical staff, as there would be no one to claim the corpse.

All parts of your body that are able to be found will be buried or cremated together. Every location that I'm aware of requires this.

Oh, fuck... So I either need to write a legally-binding will that explicitly prohibits it or make certain that I'm (the brain stem) destroyed or never found? Or can I just request to be extracted from its skull (together with the rest of the brain) and cremated/buried/donated/etc. separately instead? They are free to do with the corpse whatever they wish, as it's never been me or mine, anyway; I'd just like to finally be free from the abomination that trapped me inside it, violated me repeatedly and has been torturing me ceaselessly at least in death, after I murder it/separate us (we aren't the same entity).

it's up to your pre-need or family

And if there is neither? If the corpse can't even be identified (has no legal records and/or no head and no one looking for it), I mean.

 

[k7654321]

I am wondering, what would my body look like if I jump off a bridge? How horrible would it be for my mum if she had to identify my body?

 

[lostinsauceffs]

i just want to ask a lil bit to confirm about rigor mortis and what not because the concept of rigor mortis is very fascinating to me, like you would assume a body will going to be flaccid and not be stiff after it's demised right? but no, instead it's getting stiff.

so rigor mortis as far as I know is when the body became stiff after death right? and so how stiff a body could be, like the range of stiffness like is it a plank hard stiff, or just a hard bend stiff? and I've heard that the mortician or coroner will likely have to "break" the body to be able to fit or pose the body, is it true and can you explain the "breaking" of body itself?

 

[brokeandbroken]

If you're unclaimed, depending on your location- you will be kept in a cooler for 30 days while the coroner or funeral home does their best to find anyone related to you, typically a simple background search followed by calling any phone number that results. After that, you're likely to be cremated. Most locations have a once a year "funeral" where they inter all unclaimed cremated remains in a mass grave. Some locations will keep you separate, and bury multiple individual urns/temporary containers/bags/boxes in the same grave- which means that if, down the road, someone claims you- they can retrieve you.

Why would the state go through the effort of digging as mass grave for ashes? Why wouldn't they just throw them in the nearest body of water or trash or whatever? Seems far easier and cost efficient.

 

[Angi]

How presentable could I be made for my loved ones if I beheaded myself? I had not realized my corpse might be useful to grieve with.
Would I still get an autopsy with such an obvious cause of death?

Thank you for sharing your expertise!

 

[mehdone]

Yes, I have a question please. How hard, really, do you think it is to die? I mean, we all think about it a lot, maybe even to the point of overthinking it and expecting to go in a grand way, perhaps with complications, and yet, I could imagine, when that day comes on average most people probably didn't think they'd die that day, right? Depending on where you're practicing you must've seen all manner of accidental/sudden deaths. Thank you.

It's pretty easy to die accidentally via carelessness or bad life choices, or other folk's carelessness or bad life choices. Our bodies are remarkably fragile. It really doesn't take much to end life.

No, the average person doesn't expect to die that day- the exception there is hospice or suicide. Short of that, folks don't like to think about their death. That's a shame, because that means all planning ends up dumped on their family/loved ones.

Dying intentionally is a completely different story- overcoming SI is not easy. If it was, I wouldn't still be here.

From the sounds of it, dead bodies are found pretty much in only 2 conditions - ugly or very ugly

Yup.

Your mouth will be open, your eyes will be open and faded, you'll likely have crapped and pissed yourself. There is no beautiful death, as far as the body afterwards. Death is not pretty.

No, I mean a note for the medical staff, as there would be no one to claim the corpse.

Oh, fuck... So I either need to write a legally-binding will that explicitly prohibits it or make certain that I'm (the brain stem) destroyed or never found? Or can I just request to be extracted from its skull (together with the rest of the brain) and cremated/buried/donated/etc. separately instead? They are free to do with the corpse whatever they wish, as it's never been me or mine, anyway; I'd just like to finally be free from the abomination that trapped me inside it, violated me repeatedly and has been torturing me ceaselessly at least in death, after I murder it/separate us (we aren't the same entity).

And if there is neither? If the corpse can't even be identified (has no legal records and/or no head and no one looking for it), I mean.

I'm going to do my best to dissect this and answer your questions, please let me know if I miss something.

Notes don't matter, they have no legal effect. Medical staff needs to follow the laws of their location, and that is typically that all life saving measures are performed unless there is a Do Not Resuscitate on file. Emergency responders are likely to ignore a DNR unless you're on hospice and have a hospice nurse there advocating for you.

Even with a will stating you don't want your head buried with your body- in most locations *all* parts of your body that can be found will be required to be cremated or buried *together*. There's no real way around that other than the following:

If you have certain diseases like Alzheimer's, you can have your brain donated for research, and the rest of your body cremated or buried.

If you donate your body for "research", you might be more likely to have parts of you cremated separately. Keep in mind that donating to science doesn't always mean what folks think it does. A lot of times body parts will be sold for multiple different purposes- pick your donation carefully, and do some research on it. Most body donor programs have restrictions that may mean you are not a candidate.

If your head can be found with your body, they will be cremated or buried together.

If you choose cremation, hopefully the knowledge that your brain is completely burned will bring you some peace. Cremated remains are not soft tissue, all soft tissue is destroyed. This includes your brain and brain stem. Cremated remains are pulverized bone fragments- primarily calcium phosphate and sodium. Your brain and brain stem will have been burnt to nothing, and not be included in your cremated remains.

Consider cremation to be the separation of all soft tissue from your bones- with soft tissue being destroyed, and the remains of your bones being put into an industrial blender and ground up.

If a body cannot be identified, or if there is no one to claim it, then please see my previous posts about what happens to an unclaimed body.

 

[Foreverix]

Death is not pretty.

Outside of the physical ugliness of death, I'm also bothered by the prospect of what my parents/relatives will go through if I CTB. I know it will shock and traumatize, and I'm able to accept it to an extent. I'm far from being even a young adult anymore, but they are still young enough where I worry that I will ruin what "good" years they have left. Ultimately, how they react is beyond my control, and in a century it won't really matter anyways. Perhaps I'm thinking too highly of my influence.

But I also struggle with staying just to mitigate their pain, and worry as well that somehow my suicide could have a long lasting effect (somewhat relative to chaos theory) in the big scheme of things. I don't know, it probably would get lost in the sauce like everything else.

Do you struggle with similar notions?

 

[ThisUnrest]

Do you think morticians would be a likely demographic who would support the right to exit early? It seems all other industries have a vested interest in keeping the body alive as long as possible for profit. If logic prevailed, they should be all for it. But then again, there's likely a lot of religious influence against that. Love reading your responses. Thank you for your insights!

 

[mehdone]

I am wondering, what would my body look like if I jump off a bridge? How horrible would it be for my mum if she had to identify my body?

Honestly, your body would be an absolute mess. There's no good way to say this.

Depending on how high, and what hit first, you'll potentially be essentially a mushy pancake.

If you go with this method, I would suggest that you make sure you have identification on you. In most locations, a body doesn't actually need to be viewed by a family member to be identified. That's a TV myth. Some funeral homes may prefer that a loved one identify the body for liability reasons, but this can be overcome with pictures, or, a description of a tattoo or scar.

The coroner can identify you via documentation found on you, fingerprints, etc.

If you're found below a bridge with identification that says you're "joe smith", and there's a parked car close by registered to joe smith? It's pretty clear that you're joe smith. A family member doesn't need to see you to verify that.

 

[voyager]

@ThisUnrest Yea, considering what morticians get to see daily it would make perfect sense for them to approve a more civilised and less messy way of dying, with all affairs settled beforehand.

It's pretty easy to die accidentally via carelessness or bad life choices, or other folk's carelessness or bad life choices. Our bodies are remarkably fragile. It really doesn't take much to end life.

No, the average person doesn't expect to die that day- the exception there is hospice or suicide. Short of that, folks don't like to think about their death. That's a shame, because that means all planning ends up dumped on their family/loved ones.

Dying intentionally is a completely different story- overcoming SI is not easy. If it was, I wouldn't still be here.

Thank you. The first part of your answer is indeed what I assumed as well. Considering the consequences could be catastrophic it makes perfect sense to minimise the possibility for error, but we probably overestimate our body's resilience and get too caught up on that idea. At least I do, and suppose others as well.

Feel your pain on SI, it (and simply getting detached) does indeed seem the hardest obstacle, especially with some less peaceful methods. Am hoping on anhedonia, apathy and numbness doing the trick when it's time.

Also agree with people not sorting out their death beforehand. It's actually bothering me quite a bit. Not just the mortician's part, but sorting one's belongings and other affairs too. That's probably quite a burden to those left behind and I'm worried some things might fall into the wrong hands.

Btw, you said you only had like 5% suicides, but since you've been doing this job a while that's probably still quite a few. Any methods/errors where you thought, hm, probably wasn't this person's best idea? Don't mean the extreme stuff like immolation, but the ones we discuss here. Appreciated.

 

[mehdone]

i just want to ask a lil bit to confirm about rigor mortis and what not because the concept of rigor mortis is very fascinating to me, like you would assume a body will going to be flaccid and not be stiff after it's demised right? but no, instead it's getting stiff.

so rigor mortis as far as I know is when the body became stiff after death right? and so how stiff a body could be, like the range of stiffness like is it a plank hard stiff, or just a hard bend stiff? and I've heard that the mortician or coroner will likely have to "break" the body to be able to fit or pose the body, is it true and can you explain the "breaking" of body itself?

Rigor mortis is the stiffening of muscles after death. Essentially, because the body is no longer able to resynthesize ATP, the muscles lock together and form an insoluble protein. It is the end of muscle cell life.

Rigor sets in around 2 to 4 hours after death.

Rigor sets in with small muscles first- starts with the involuntary muscles of the eye, jaw- then face, neck, upper extremities, and works it's way to lower extremities. Basically, face to feet.

After 36 to 72 hours, rigor mortis passes and the body becomes flaccid again.

When a mortician or coroner "breaks" rigor, we are not breaking the body or bones. We will massage the muscles and slowly start bending the joints, a little bit back and forth at a time. Similar to physical therapy. We're essentially working out that stiffness of the muscles and allowing the limb to be relaxed again.

As far as how stiff- board stiff.

Why would the state go through the effort of digging as mass grave for ashes? Why wouldn't they just throw them in the nearest body of water or trash or whatever? Seems far easier and cost efficient.

Because (with the exception of wartime), societies typically understand that the dead should be treated with respect.

Since the topic of unclaimed bodies keeps coming up- there is a documentary that I suggest folks who are interested watch.

Its called, "A Certain Kind of Death", and it was released in 2003. The entire documentary is available on YouTube. It covers what Los Angeles County, California (USA) does with unclaimed bodies, and it also graphically covers the cremation process. It's definitely worth a watch.

How presentable could I be made for my loved ones if I beheaded myself? I had not realized my corpse might be useful to grieve with.
Would I still get an autopsy with such an obvious cause of death?

Thank you for sharing your expertise!

You can be made completely presentable.

If you want graphic details:
A pvc pipe or dowel will be used to reattach your head, and shoved down your spinal column and the base of your skull.
A mortician will spend hours lovingly stitching your neck back together, using various things to try to combat leakage, and applying a variety of pastes and wound fillers and makeup to hide it.

If the mortician is worth their salt, your family won't be able to visibly see that you were decapitated. Although, your family can make life much easier on that mortician by supplying a scarf or turtleneck sweater.

You will absolutely still get an autopsy. It doesn't matter how obvious the cause of death is- if you're not on hospice, you're very likely to get an autopsy.

Outside of the physical ugliness of death, I'm also bothered by the prospect of what my parents/relatives will go through if I CTB. I know it will shock and traumatize, and I'm able to accept it to an extent. I'm far from being even a young adult anymore, but they are still young enough where I worry that I will ruin what "good" years they have left. Ultimately, how they react is beyond my control, and in a century it won't really matter anyways. Perhaps I'm thinking too highly of my influence.

But I also struggle with staying just to mitigate their pain, and worry as well that somehow my suicide could have a long lasting effect (somewhat relative to chaos theory) in the big scheme of things. I don't know, it probably would get lost in the sauce like everything else.

Do you struggle with similar notions?

Yes, I do.

Especially with parents. A parent shouldn't lose a child, regardless of age. It's not the natural order. I have buried parent's adult children and then seen or interacted with them in the community years later- and that pain clearly doesn't go away, understandably so.

The people left behind will be traumatized, there is no getting around that. It will *absolutely* hurt them.

Knowing that has actually kept me alive in the past. However, when it comes down to it- there is only so much pain a person can take, and only so much a person can handle before they break. CTB isn't for others, it's for ourselves. And while the survivors may feel that it was a selfish action- I think it's far more selfish for them to ask us to keep suffering, if we're no longer capable of doing so.

Do you think morticians would be a likely demographic who would support the right to exit early? It seems all other industries have a vested interest in keeping the body alive as long as possible for profit. If logic prevailed, they should be all for it. But then again, there's likely a lot of religious influence against that. Love reading your responses. Thank you for your insights!

Yes.

We advocate daily for getting your final affairs in order, because we see daily the effect on loved ones when someone hasn't.

I see the right to exit as a logical extension of things like pre-arranged funeral arrangements, a living will, etc.

Death will happen, to each and every one of us- that is absolutely guaranteed. We should be able to have control over that.

 

[mehdone]

@ThisUnrest Btw, you said you only had like 5% suicides, but since you've been doing this job a while that's probably still quite a few. Any methods/errors where you thought, hm, probably wasn't this person's best idea? Don't mean the extreme stuff like immolation, but the ones we discuss here. Appreciated.

Yeah. Pretty much anything other than a high caliber or high velocity gun, or a shotgun- or an inert gas.

Hanging- most people severely underestimate the height they need to drop from to break their neck, or they don't put the knot in the right place. The panic the person went through is evident in the marks from them desperately trying to claw the rope off of their neck. Not a peaceful way to go if you don't do it right. If you're found prior to death, lack of oxygen will absolutely cause brain damage.

Poison or overdose- it takes far too long, and you are very likely to be found. Supposing that you are found and given emergency care- if you don't wake up, you'll likely spend at least a few days or longer in the icu before you cross my table. Even with SN, it's common enough now that medics and hospitals know to administer methylene blue.

Falls- if you don't hit head first, it's surprising just what you can live through. You might wake up a quadriplegic, or just spend days, weeks, or months in the icu until a family member is forced to decide whether to pull the plug or let you stay in a coma.

Slitting your wrists? Yeah, this method is pretty much guaranteed to fail. Go for femoral arteries, but still, you can be found and saved.

Regardless, make damn sure you have a proper, legal living will or advanced directive. If you're found and a vegetable, don't make your family or loved ones have to make the call to pull the plug. It will absolutely traumatize them even more then necessary. They'll have to live wondering if maybe you would have woke up and been okay if they just kept you on life support for another day, or week.

 

[roguetrader]

Thanks for all the info, @mehdone. Definitely good reading and interesting stuff!

 

[CandycanePuke]

Would it be possible to do a post-mortem top surgery for an open casket if requested by the deceased? It doesn't have to be actual surgery quality since there will be clothes on top, just removal of tissue.

 

[mehdone]

Would it be possible to do a post-mortem top surgery for an open casket if requested by the deceased? It doesn't have to be actual surgery quality since there will be clothes on top, just removal of tissue.

Unfortunately, no. That would very likely be considered mutilation of a body in most all locations.

That shouldn't be the case, but it is. However, we could do some seriously tight strapping if it's requested.

 

[Skathon]

Notes don't matter, they have no legal effect. Medical staff needs to follow the laws of their location, and that is typically that all life saving measures are performed unless there is a Do Not Resuscitate on file. Emergency responders are likely to ignore a DNR unless you're on hospice and have a hospice nurse there advocating for you.

I meant a note instructing what to do with the corpse; a DNR request won't be necessary (one can't survive decapitation).

Even with a will stating you don't want your head buried with your body- in most locations *all* parts of your body that can be found will be required to be cremated or buried *together*.

Oh, fuck, fuck, fuck... So my only option is to either put my head on the tracks instead of my neck or make certain either the head or the corpse slides/rolls down into the nearby river and is never found?

If you have certain diseases like Alzheimer's, you can have your brain donated for research, and the rest of your body cremated or buried.

Everyone is an organ donor by default (unless opted out) in my hellhole country. Do you think there is any chance they might respect my non-legally binding wish and donate me (an unidentified brain) for research? I do have multiple neurological diseases but will have no way to prove it, obviously.

If you choose cremation, hopefully the knowledge that your brain is completely burned will bring you some peace.

Absolutely not; if I'm burnt down with the abomination that is the main reason I have to die in the first place, then I will never find peace.

Your brain and brain stem will have been burnt to nothing, and not be included in your cremated remains.

Although... Considering there would be no remains left of me after being cremated regardless, I would, indeed, just evaporate inside it, then... Still, cremation is rather expensive here; most unclaimed corpses are buried as far as I'm aware.
Speaking of which, if someone did claim the corpse, would he be allowed to extract the brain out of it for cremation/burial/etc. and leave the rest to the authorities to do whatever they wish with it? Or would he be forced to pay for everything?

If a body cannot be identified

There is no way to identify a corpse found in a remote location with nothing that could help do it (no possesions with any kind of legal information) and no one looking for it, correct?

Thank you!

 

[http-410]

What type of funeral (such as cremation or burial) do you want for yourself and why? Would you want an open casket and if yes/no, why? Morbid question, but how common is it for a particular body orifice to be intentionally plugged?

I don't know if the following question is more a matter for a coroner, but maybe you can answer it as well. There are many scientific case reports, which are also accessible on the Internet and show dead or autopsied (e.g. from suicides). How does it happen (legally and ethically) that the dead and the circumstances of their deaths are made public? Who decides that and how can you avoid ending up in a scientific case report yourself? Is it sufficient to state in the will that one does not wish the documentation to be published?

Have you or your colleagues buried people who killed themselves with SN or N? One last question; is an autopsy mandatory?

 

[hiddenbpd]

This has been so interesting to read through. You're very articulate. @mehdone thank you for providing the information here, and for what you do for those of us who have made our exit and our families . Your job is needed and not much thanked.

 

[mehdone]

I meant a note instructing what to do with the corpse; a DNR request won't be necessary (one can't survive decapitation).

Oh, fuck, fuck, fuck... So my only option is to either put my head on the tracks instead of my neck or make certain either the head or the corpse slides/rolls down into the nearby river and is never found?

Everyone is an organ donor by default (unless opted out) in my hellhole country. Do you think there is any chance they might respect my non-legally binding wish and donate me (an unidentified brain) for research? I do have multiple neurological diseases but will have no way to prove it, obviously.

Absolutely not; if I'm burnt down with the abomination that is the main reason I have to die in the first place, then I will never find peace.

Although... Considering there would be no remains left of me after being cremated regardless, I would, indeed, just evaporate inside it, then... Still, cremation is rather expensive here; most unclaimed corpses are buried as far as I'm aware.
Speaking of which, if someone did claim the corpse, would he be allowed to extract the brain out of it for cremation/burial/etc. and leave the rest to the authorities to do whatever they wish with it? Or would he be forced to pay for everything?

There is no way to identify a corpse found in a remote location with nothing that could help do it (no possesions with any kind of legal information) and no one looking for it, correct?

Thank you!

If that's your wish- you'll need to make sure that your head cannot be found, or that nothing is left of it. No, non-legally binding wishes or notes have absolutely no effect.

If you qualify for, and want to donate your brain or body for research, you'll need to enroll and arrange for that prior to death.

If someone claimed your body, they would then be responsible for the costs of your disposition- and they would not be allowed to direct that the brain or any other part of you be extracted or disposed of in a different manner than the rest of your body, short of donation- but tissue and organ donation needs to happen within hours of death.

A body or bones found in a remote location can still be identified. DNA will be present, and because of the large number of folks who have used dna services like ancestry .com, it's really not that difficult to find a family member and then figure out who you were.

I know these aren't the answers you were looking for, and I apologize for that.

What type of funeral (such as cremation or burial) do you want for yourself and why? Would you want an open casket and if yes/no, why? Morbid question, but how common is it for a particular body orifice to be intentionally plugged?

I don't know if the following question is more a matter for a coroner, but maybe you can answer it as well. There are many scientific case reports, which are also accessible on the Internet and show dead or autopsied (e.g. from suicides). How does it happen (legally and ethically) that the dead and the circumstances of their deaths are made public? Who decides that and how can you avoid ending up in a scientific case report yourself? Is it sufficient to state in the will that one does not wish the documentation to be published?

Have you or your colleagues buried people who killed themselves with SN or N? One last question; is an autopsy mandatory?

I want to be cremated and scattered in the ocean or on the beach. I do not want a funeral service, but if my loved ones need to hold a "celebration of life", they're more than welcome to do so. Won't matter to me, I'll be dead. As far as why- the ocean has always been my "happy" place, and I want my body to be destroyed in fire rather than slowly rotting. I don't like bugs, and I've seen the process of decomposition and I don't find it appealing. I don't like life- and I don't want any part of me to "nurture" it via returning to the earth through decomposition, or any other form. It sure as hell didn't nurture me. I don't really want an open casket/viewing prior to cremation, but if it will help my family and loved ones, sure. Won't matter to me.

Plugging bodily orifices- will only happen if there is a viewing, and only if there is a problem with leakage or other issues. Sometimes bowels just won't stop evacuating, and a whole bunch of cotton will get shoved up there to stop it, followed by an Anal/Vaginal plug (think giant plastic screw- or google it. I'd suggest searching for something like "embalming anal screw" rather than anal plug, because that's a whole different thing. Proper name for it is A/V plug.) Sometimes bodily fluids leak from other orifices, and they'll need to be plugged as well, or stuffed with cotton and chemically treated.

Death certificates are typically public. Death reports are typically public as well. Photos are not. You may end up as a case study, with identifying features blacked out. Expressing in your will that you do not want to be so may be enough to keep that from happening- as long the coroner is made aware of that. No promises there, though.

Yes, I've handled SN and N cases.
Yes, an autopsy is typically mandatory in any case that wasn't an expected death- in other words, someone who was on hospice care.

 

[k7654321]

Honestly, your body would be an absolute mess. There's no good way to say this.

Depending on how high, and what hit first, you'll potentially be essentially a mushy pancake.

If you go with this method, I would suggest that you make sure you have identification on you. In most locations, a body doesn't actually need to be viewed by a family member to be identified. That's a TV myth. Some funeral homes may prefer that a loved one identify the body for liability reasons, but this can be overcome with pictures, or, a description of a tattoo or scar.

The coroner can identify you via documentation found on you, fingerprints, etc.

If you're found below a bridge with identification that says you're "joe smith", and there's a parked car close by registered to joe smith? It's pretty clear that you're joe smith. A family member doesn't need to see you to verify that.

Thank you so much - I hadn't thought about ID but I definitely will now

 

[ThisIsLife]

Yeah. Pretty much anything other than a high caliber or high velocity gun, or a shotgun- or an inert gas.

Hanging- most people severely underestimate the height they need to drop from to break their neck, or they don't put the knot in the right place. The panic the person went through is evident in the marks from them desperately trying to claw the rope off of their neck. Not a peaceful way to go if you don't do it right. If you're found prior to death, lack of oxygen will absolutely cause brain damage.

On the same subject i recommend people to watch a few videos from the "Dark Science" channel:

- "Science of the Gallows" (about hanging)
- "Anatomy of a headshot" and "Can you survive a headshot?"
- "Anatomy of decapitation"
- "How carbon monoxide poisoning works?"
- "How cyanide poisoning works?"
- "What happens when you drink bleach?"

 

[mehdone]

On the same subject i recommend people to watch a few videos from the "Dark Science" channel:

- "Science of the Gallows" (about hanging)
- "Anatomy of a headshot" and "Can you survive a headshot?"
- "Anatomy of decapitation"
- "How carbon monoxide poisoning works?"
- "How cyanide poisoning works?"
- "What happens when you drink bleach?"

Thanks for the recommendation. You can also learn a lot by reading medical case studies- especially the ones that compile data from multiple people, rather than a rare or strange case. For hanging, here's a good example:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1179555717692545

Similar studies can be found for most all methods, and can be a really useful resource. Something to note in the study above is that vertebral fracture was found in only one of the 244 cases studied.

 

[mehdone]

A vertebral fracture only being found in one of 244 cases could mean a number of things. It could mean that in that location, partial hanging is the method of choice.
It could mean that since the vast majority of the cases had the knot at the back of the neck, it didn't cause enough trauma to break the neck- or the fall wasn't high enough.

It's not always best to look at those studies as a direct correlation to how one might choose to ctb- but they can certainly be informative on what is most successful in one way or another, or give one an idea of how peaceful the death is under the variables studied.

 

[AnonymousL]

Can you elaborate on the car "accident" method? Anything will help, thank you!

My best friend used this method. However it was very clear it wasn't an accident.

They can see the speed he was driving with at the time and it was clear the wheel didn't block or anything so he just purposefully drove into a tree , the car Catched fire. He died when he hit the tree not because of the fire.

Sorry , English is not my first language

 

[mehdone]

Do you think it would be better to try to make it roll down somewhere and be disposed of by the wildlife or let the freight train run over it?

Ah... I won't be able to, then, unfortunately.

I don't have a body (the abomination I'm trapped in isn't my body), so there is no other part(s) of me, except the rest of the CNS around/connected me, which is why I was curious if someone would be able to claim my remains but not the corpse whose skull I might be found in. Seems like that was a pipe dream, then... Well, at least now I'm certain that's not an option.

I don't think those exist in the country I'm from, and even if they do, none of my relatives ever used them, and my own DNA (or any other biometric data) has never been recorded anywhere. Most of my relatives are also dead now. Furthermore, I have about as many legal records of my existence as Joker (from Batman) does; I don't even have an ID/any documents that could prove my identity. The local hospital here is also highly unlikely to have access to any DNA or similar databases (I live in the middle of nowhere in an undeveloped country).
So... Besides DNA, would there be any other way to identify a corpse with nothing that could help do so?

Oh, no, your replies are extremely helpful (I have to make certain neither me nor the corpse I might be found in can be identified, which means I first need to know how to avoid that before arranging anything); thank you!

If you're goal is to have your brain and brainstem destroyed- you'd be best off either destroying it with a shotgun or explosives. If having a train run over it is an option- yeah, there won't really be much left to recover. I'd aim for having my neck on the track, body away from the track- the train should pretty much obliterate the entirety of the head. Be aware that you will cause that train conductor serious trauma. You will be mentally scarring them. They're either going to see you coming and not be able to stop, or they're not going to see you coming and see the aftermath- either way, it will haunt them.

If your head rolls down a hill, it will be found, unless that hill ends in the ocean or a river or other body of moving water. Even still, it may be found- but since your goal sounds like it's to have your body and head disposed of separately, it may be best if that head is found later on, after your body is already cremated or buried.

If I were to try to attempt this, I would probably try to find a way to decapitate myself on a pier or cliff over the ocean. The tide would separate my body and head, and if either were found, it'd be unlikely that it happened at the same time. I'm not really sure of any other way to achieve what you're looking for.

As far as identifying you- you may think that no one in your family has done any type of dna submission for genealogy research or been forced to submit dna for a criminal charge- but, do you know all of your third or fourth cousins?

Short of dna, dental records can be used to identify you as well.

 

[AnonymousL]

I'm a mortician, and I figure I might as well be a resource while I'm here.

So, here's your chance to ask anything you like.

Things like:
-Can I have an open casket if I…?
-What happens to my body after the fact?
-What happens to my body between when I'm found and buried/cremated/etc?
-What can I do to make things easier on my loved one's as far as funeral arrangements and paperwork, etc?
And any other questions that I might be able to answer.

Ask away.

I have some questions.

As a mortician, how did u find this website? Is it because ur intrigued by death (since that's what ur job is about) or do u have Desire to CTB yourself?

Are you scared of death since u come In contact with it in ur daily life ?

What do you think happens after death?

Do they remove surgical implants or braces etc when someone died ?


Please ignore any question you don't feel comfortable answering.

 

[mehdone]

I have some questions.

As a mortician, how did u find this website? Is it because ur intrigued by death (since that's what ur job is about) or do u have Desire to CTB yourself?

Are you scared of death since u come In contact with it in ur daily life ?

What do you think happens after death?

Do they remove surgical implants or braces etc when someone died ?


Please ignore any question you don't feel comfortable answering.

I found this wonderful website by doing searches on various ctb methods. It kept popping up, and I'm glad that it did. I was searching for my own methods to ctb. I mean, you'd think I'd know what to do given my profession, and I do, but, with something like this you want to be sure and do your proper research, right?

I've always been intrigued by death- but I'm here because I want to ctb myself.

I am not scared of death, in any manner. I was, to some degree, prior to this profession- but I've also always been fascinated by it.

After death- the body breaks down. I certainly hope there is no afterlife. I have seen multiple people die- and you can absolutely see when consciousness and life properly ends. You can see when that life ceases to be. I certainly hope that is the end of life, and not a soul leaving the body. I'm gonna be real damn pissed off if after finally leaving this life, I then have to deal with some other form of existence. There will be a lot of spiritual cussing, and one hell of a spiritual tantrum- because fuck that shit.

Surgical implants- will only be removed in the case of cremation if they have a battery. Metals such as replacement hips and such will be recycled (they won't burn and will be left over after the cremation process), and typically the proceeds from those metals will be donated to charity.

 

[lachrymost]

It's so nasty how little control we have in what happens after death. I know we'll be dead anyway, but it upsets me in life that there is no way to escape being perceived, even in death. Gotta have those insides looked at! I understand why at least some of the way it's done is probably a necessary evil, but I hate that there will be people making judgements about me even in death! This is yet another reason assisted suicide appeals to me. At least then there won't be an autopsy, right?

 

[ThisIsLife]

If you're goal is to have your brain and brainstem destroyed- you'd be best off either destroying it with a shotgun or explosives. If having a train run over it is an option- yeah, there won't really be much left to recover. I'd aim for having my neck on the track, body away from the track- the train should pretty much obliterate the entirety of the head. Be aware that you will cause that train conductor serious trauma. You will be mentally scarring them. They're either going to see you coming and not be able to stop, or they're not going to see you coming and see the aftermath- either way, it will haunt them.

If your head rolls down a hill, it will be found, unless that hill ends in the ocean or a river or other body of moving water. Even still, it may be found- but since your goal sounds like it's to have your body and head disposed of separately, it may be best if that head is found later on, after your body is already cremated or buried.

If I were to try to attempt this, I would probably try to find a way to decapitate myself on a pier or cliff over the ocean. The tide would separate my body and head, and if either were found, it'd be unlikely that it happened at the same time. I'm not really sure of any other way to achieve what you're looking for.

As far as identifying you- you may think that no one in your family has done any type of dna submission for genealogy research or been forced to submit dna for a criminal charge- but, do you know all of your third or fourth cousins?

Short of dna, dental records can be used to identify you as well.

Since the person you're responding to is willing to leave no trace of DNA or identification whatsoever, as many are on SS, i'm curious about the doability and efficiency of CTB'ing in a way that would allow the body to fall/slip entirely in hydrofluoric acid right after an instant death method that wouldn't scatter any flesh, blood or organs all over the place.

Let's say i plan on electrocuting myself to death with current powerful enough to kill me in a heartbeat; would there be any way for the authorities to recover any DNA if i managed to make my body fall in said acid and not being found within the next 24 hours ?