Are you fighting a losing battle by going against the system?

[sserafim]

My mom said that I'm always fighting and going against the world. She said that it must be really tiring and taxing to be in constant opposition with everything. Is it better to surrender and give in? Maybe I should just go with the flow. There must be a reason as to why the system works and how there hasn't been a revolution yet. I heard that the most successful people make the system work for them.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I will never surrender. The only thing I can do is kill myself and that's what I will do .I won't live as a slave a sheep as a prisoner

They made this world a prison by making nembutal and assisted suicide crimes. They made a diy suicide very risky , locking the prison door to their torture dungeon = this evil world and evil life.

This is a suicide prohibition world. They took away our right to escape extreme pain suffering and torture: who would want to live under such injustice and oppression and dangerous situation? Who would accept this?

They also took away our right to individual autonomy to be able to decide if you want to live or not to exit this hell

I will never accept that life is a beautiful gift

I will never accept any suffering at all

I will never accept that I have to fight to live

 

[why am i alive?]

I think that both come with equal pain and certain death. So it doesn't matter.
The reason it works is because, it is so tightly knit that it is hard to find a point to rebell.

Decide how you see fit

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Even if we do end up losing, that doesn't mean that we have to give in. We live in a world with a system that aims to create a sense of disconnect with others and our environment. Even if our battle with that system is a losing one, it's better to die having still rebelled against it than it is to die having surrendered to it.

 

[sserafim]

I think that both come with equal pain and certain death. So it doesn't matter.
The reason it works is because, it is so tightly knit that it is hard to find a point to rebell.

Decide how you see fit

I'm rebelling against the system right now because I see many flaws and am discontent with it. I believe that it is inherently exploitative and predatory. Work is modern day slavery, and I refuse to let myself be exploited. I don't want to buy into the pyramid scheme that society is. However, I wonder if my rebellion will mean anything or if it's just making my life eventually harder overall. I'm a NEET right now, so I'm kind of like gaming the system, but one day I will have to buy into it, and be independent and support myself (if I don't ctb).

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

It would appear so. There are many good discussions on how even anti-capitalism in media is in itself a necessary component of the system which keeps it running by selling you on the idea of a Revolution enough to consider it, but not to act on it. Why should Reddit care if all its subreddits constantly preach about dismantling establishments as long as they get to collect ad revenue and site traffic?

Even if people were to act on it though, it likely won't gain enough ground because the system as it is grants too much comfort for too many people and to upset this balance even to change things for the better will still mean making things uncomfortable for many people for who knows how long. We can only hope that capitalism regresses so far that absolutely nobody is comfortable anymore and then and only then will the people at the top actually feel a real need to do something about it.

 

[greatblueheron]

It is really tiring and taxing to always be in opposition to "everything", but unfortunately we live in a world where behaving ethically requires active resistance.

()

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I heard that the most successful people make the system work for them.

As long as I can profit from the system and I have good life I don't care about the system. You have to see how you can profit from it to be able to have a good life. But that's subjective what everyone defines as a "good life". I'm glad I don't care about the "system" or other stuff I have no real influence on - that would be additional "stress".

 

[sserafim]

As long as I can profit from the system and I have good life I don't care about the system. You have to see how you can profit from it to be able to have a good life. But that's subjective what everyone defines as a "good life". I'm glad I don't care about the "system" or other stuff I have no real influence on - that would be additional "stress".

How do I figure out how to make the system to work for me? I would like to profit from the system as well, but I don't want to be controlled or told what to do. I don't like that. I feel like that would restrict my freedom and autonomy. Should I be my own boss or something?

I will never surrender. The only thing I can do is kill myself and that's what I will do .I won't live as a slave a sheep as a prisoner

They made this world a prison by making nembutal and assisted suicide crimes. They made a diy suicide very risky , locking the prison door to their torture dungeon = this evil world and evil life.

I will never accept that life is a beautiful gift

Same

 

[losing hope]

As long as I can profit from the system and I have good life I don't care about the system.

How do I figure out how to make the system to work for me? I would like to profit from the system as well, but I don't want to be controlled or told what to do. I feel like that would restrict my freedom and autonomy. Should I be my own boss or something?

Same

I like this line of enquiry. I would suggest working for yourself. I tried it by writing two books (one published) but you are REALLY your own boss if you self publish. As I did with my second book. I am trying to self publish a 3rd book on this idea...

Writing a Book on My Journey to CTB'ing?

Should I do this & does anyone know if a book like this exists already? Non-fiction book that is? I am 85% likely to ctb in the next 5 years and I have 65g's of SN from IC (50g's) and Meat man (15g's) to do it with. I've already produced two books already on F1, one was published traditionally...

sanctioned-suicide.net

It's now a case of making it feasible / profitable to do. Books usually don't sell very well, unless your famous in my lived experience. Hope that helps.

 

[sserafim]

I like this line of enquiry. I would suggest working for yourself. I tried it by writing two books (one published) but you are REALLY your own boss if you self publish. As I did with my second book. I am trying to self publish a 3rd book on this idea...

Writing a Book on My Journey to CTB'ing?

Should I do this & does anyone know if a book like this exists already? Non-fiction book that is? I am 85% likely to ctb in the next 5 years and I have 65g's of SN from IC (50g's) and Meat man (15g's) to do it with. I've already produced two books already on F1, one was published traditionally...

sanctioned-suicide.net

It's now a case of making it feasible / profitable to do. Books usually don't sell very well, unless your famous in my lived experience. Hope that helps.

What should I write about? When I was a kid, I wanted to write a fantasy novel, but it never panned out in reality. I only got to the character creation stage. I created all of the characters and wrote descriptions for them. I also named the novel. It had a poetic name which referenced how all of the characters would end up dying. I think it's still in my Google docs haha

 

[Praestat_Mori]

How do I figure out how to make the system to work for me? I would like to profit from the system as well, but I don't want to be controlled or told what to do. I don't like that. I feel like that would restrict my freedom and autonomy. Should I be my own boss or something?

Yes you should be your own boss, I always was more or less my own boss, I never was employed my whole life. That's a good question how you can make the system work for you in the end it depends on where you live. As a business you have much more options in regards of taxes that an employee doesn't have. That can be an advantage = profiting from the system (legal tax tricks!!). As an example.

 

[Linda]

Choose your battles carefully. Don't waste your energy on things that are not very important, and don't waste it on battles that you can't (yet) win.

 

[losing hope]

What should I write about? When I was a kid, I wanted to write a fantasy novel, but it never panned out in reality. I only got to the character creation stage. I created all of the characters and wrote descriptions for all of them. I also named the novel. I think it's still in my Google docs haha

Would you be open to being a co-author if I do decide to go ahead with my book idea? You can talk about the one subject you are the world's expert on. Yourself and how to got to become a regular on this forum?

Also seems like the time is right to push the pro-choice boat a little further out to sea so to speak...

Could assisted dying be coming to Scotland? (bbc.com)

Dame Esther Rantzen renews call for assisted dying vote after report (bbc.com)

At least in the UK that is.

 

[sserafim]

Would you be open to being a co-author if I do decide to go ahead with my book idea? You can talk about the one subject you are the world's expert on. Yourself and how to got to become a regular on this forum?

Also seems like the time is right to push the pro-choice boat a little further out to sea so to speak...

Could assisted dying be coming to Scotland? (bbc.com)

Dame Esther Rantzen renews call for assisted dying vote after report (bbc.com)

At least in the UK that is.

Yeah sure, but can I stay anonymous?

 

[Praestat_Mori]

What should I write about? When I was a kid, I wanted to write a fantasy novel, but it never panned out in reality. I only got to the character creation stage. I created all of the characters and wrote descriptions for them. I also named the novel. I think it's still in my Google docs haha

and @losing hope

I think I should write a book about failing and suffering ... but I doubt it would become a bestseller. My destiny probably happens millions of times each year ... that's not interesting for the masses.

 

[destinationlosangel]

It is a losing battle. In the past there used to be revolutions. In the future, there wont be any lol how could there be any with all the surveillance n tech. sheep life forever.

If i dont ctb, then i guess i might as well become an NPC to live in this future we're gonna have

 

[losing hope]

and @losing hope

I think I should write a book about failing and suffering ... but I doubt it would become a bestseller. My destiny probably happens millions of times each year ... that's not interesting for the masses.

Yeah sure, but can I stay anonymous?

Of course you can. Also @Praestat_Mori I would also be interested to include your contributions as well. My last books have in excess of 50 contributors and that was one of the fun parts of the project. Not knowing how they will shape the book as well.

What I really want to do with this book idea is show the masses how broken the UK mental health system is. Having spoken to lots of non-suicidal ppl, they falsely assume the help is out there, and the problem lies with us not asking for that help. As a 42 year old man single man, I've been reaching out for the last 6 years. Am now more qualified than the manager of my local Mind Charity as well as the doctors trying to treat my issues. And I can categorically tell you. They all do a piss poor job, and are largely focused on covering their arses & not helping us.

So I would like to use this book to expose them (the pen is mighter than the sword). Especially as it's my own lived experience, so no defamation / libel laws will apply. Basically we can use this book to voice our collective anger at how poorly treated the mentally ill are treated in the UK, especially if you are a man. I also want to dispel the common myth that men don't talk about their issues, because I do & would love to document the lengths I've gone to in order to do this. Trouble is there is not many out there that care!!!

 

[Linda]

Of course you can. Also @Praestat_Mori I would also be interested to include your contributions as well. My last books have in excess of 50 contributors and that was one of the fun parts of the project. Not knowing how they will shape the book as well.

What I really want to do with this book idea is show the masses how broken the UK mental health system is. Having spoken to lots of non-suicidal ppl, they falsely assume the help is out there, and the problem lies with us not asking for that help. As a 42 year old man single man, I've been reaching out for the last 6 years. Am now more qualified than the manager of my local Mind Charity as well as the doctors trying to treat my issues. And I can categorically tell you. They all do a piss poor job, and are largely focused on covering their arses & not helping us.

So I would like to use this book to expose them (the pen is mighter than the sword). Especially as it's my own lived experience, so no defamation / libel laws will apply. Basically we can use this book to voice our collective anger at how poorly treated the mentally ill are treated in the UK, especially if you are a man. I also want to dispel the common myth that men don't talk about their issues, because I do & would love to document the lengths I've gone to in order to do this. Trouble is there is not many out there that care!!!

If you do knock the doctors in the UK - and I'm sure you have ample reason to do so - please also try to preserve at least some balance. One of my younger relatives is a psychiatrist in the NHS. He genuinely wants to help people, and he doesn't always follow the party line. He's almost as much a rebel as I am. He disagrees with the entire approach of the UK's NHS to suicidal people. However he is still quite junior, he is constrained by the system, and he can't (yet) rock the boat very much. Just remember that there are some doctors who are on your side, and who would even support this site - though you will never get them to say that in public. Don't write in a way that might alienate potential allies. In 20 years, some of those allies will be in positions of power, and may be able to make change happen. We need to keep them on our side.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Of course you can.

Maybe I can but I have no energy and no hope. But that's another topic.

Of course you can. Also @Praestat_Mori I would also be interested to include your contributions as well. My last books have in excess of 50 contributors and that was one of the fun parts of the project. Not knowing how they will shape the book as well.

What I really want to do with this book idea is show the masses how broken the UK mental health system is. Having spoken to lots of non-suicidal ppl, they falsely assume the help is out there, and the problem lies with us not asking for that help. As a 42 year old man single man, I've been reaching out for the last 6 years. Am now more qualified than the manager of my local Mind Charity as well as the doctors trying to treat my issues. And I can categorically tell you. They all do a piss poor job, and are largely focused on covering their arses & not helping us.

So I would like to use this book to expose them (the pen is mighter than the sword). Especially as it's my own lived experience, so no defamation / libel laws will apply. Basically we can use this book to voice our collective anger at how poorly treated the mentally ill are treated in the UK, especially if you are a man. I also want to dispel the common myth that men don't talk about their issues, because I do & would love to document the lengths I've gone to in order to do this. Trouble is there is not many out there that care!!!

I'll read your thread about your books. Maybe PM later/the next days? Well, I'm not from the UK and I'm not really mentally ill and I've hardly seen doctors throughout my life. But I think it's a very good idea to show the reality.

 

[UKscotty]

Fighting society and the system can only work if you are mega rich, in the billionaire club.

Other than that we conform or we get full of hate and anger.

 

[Linda]

Fighting society and the system can only work if you are mega rich, in the billionaire club.

Other than that we conform or we get full of hate and anger.

You are just plain wrong. I am living proof of that. (I'm not going to go into details, so you can either believe me or not.) So are many other people.

 

[losing hope]

If you do knock the doctors in the UK - and I'm sure you have ample reason to do so - please also try to preserve at least some balance. One of my younger relatives is a psychiatrist in the NHS. He genuinely wants to help people, and he doesn't always follow the party line. He's almost as much a rebel as I am. He disagrees with the entire approach of the UK's NHS to suicidal people. However he is still quite junior, he is constrained by the system, and he can't (yet) rock the boat very much. Just remember that there are some doctors who are on your side, and who would even support this site - though you will never get them to say that in public. Don't write in a way that might alienate potential allies. In 20 years, some of those allies will be in positions of power, and may be able to make change happen. We need to keep them on our side.

Thanks for those wise words as well as your post above about choosing your battles. I'm going to remind myself of these points for sometime. I am not really after doctors who I know most of them work their nuts off. You only have to see how many times junior doctors strike. The problem & the ppl I am after in the book is the UK Government and how 14 years of underfunding public services have led to these problems. I also want to use the book to show how the "toxic" culture within the UK and lack of empthany is also contributing.

So its the system at fault, really. Not so much the doctors like your younger relative, who I am sure go into it with good intentions. However 20+ years of working in a broken system & living in a "toxic" UK can also turn good intentions into being blinded by the Nazi Gold. So to speak. I've seen it with my own eyes.

Maybe I can but I have no energy and no hope. But that's another topic.


I'll read your thread about your books. Maybe PM later/the next days? Well, I'm not from the UK and I'm not really mentally ill and I've hardly seen doctors throughout my life. But I think it's a very good idea to show the reality.

Feel free to PM me anytime. I'll be interested to learn of your story, perhaps from a country which has a more caring mental health system than the UK? :-)

 

[tbroken]

No, no battle is lost if you fight, you can still win somehow. But you have to be really really strong.
And there are too few really strong and angry ppl in this world.
Also strong ppl are many times the most human and good-hearted.

 

[losing hope]

Fighting society and the system can only work if you are mega rich, in the billionaire club.

Other than that we conform or we get full of hate and anger.

What about Robin Hood?

What about those Resistance fighters during WW2;

Special Operations Executive - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Resistance during World War II - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even dead corpses can do huge damage to the "system"; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mincemeat

I like the idea of being a resistance figher, against Right Wing extermists. Like the SOE lot in WW2 I have my ctb pill (i.e. SN) so no longer fear anything they can do to me. Himmler ctb'ed AFTER he was Captured; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler#:~:text=Heinrich Luitpold Himmler (German: [,primarily known for being a Showing if you have an exit strategy & are prepared to use it. You are literally untouchable!

 

[Linda]

No, no battle is lost if you fight, you can still win somehow. But you have to be really really strong.
And there are too few really strong and angry ppl in this world.
Also strong ppl are many times the most human and good-hearted.

You don't win battles by being angry. Anger is very valuable, but only because it provides the initial motivation to make change happen. Once you have got started, you must switch the anger off as best you can - it will get in the way - and then proceed using rationality, logic, and good planning.

 

[surroundedbydemons]

Well, the discussion is valid.

The only flaw is that you consider there to be only one system. It seems like that to me because you refer to it as "the system."

Is it better to surrender and give in? Maybe I should just go with the flow.

Does it make sense to you? If so, then by all means...
Do you not want to surrender? Then proceed on your own (at least for now)

I think you are still evaluating options since you have not decided yet (duh...).
You can go with the system while also pursuing your personal goals. That way, you will always have both opportunities at the same time—why close doors prematurely when you have yet to explore?

I heard that the most successful people make the system work for them.

And they can also disengage and innovate independently.
It is not productive to try to win the battle against the shark at the top of a food chain if you are not strong enough.

~~~

Basically, @Linda gave you good advice...

 

[LifeIsCrazyNemb]

I'm rebelling against the system right now because I see many flaws and am discontent with it. I believe that it is inherently exploitative and predatory. Work is modern day slavery, and I refuse to let myself be exploited. I don't want to buy into the pyramid scheme that society is. However, I wonder if my rebellion will mean anything or if it's just making my life eventually harder overall. I'm a NEET right now, so I'm kind of like gaming the system, but one day I will have to buy into it, and be independent and support myself (if I don't ctb).

How are you rebelling against the system? Whats the concrete actions?

 

[sserafim]

I have my ctb pill (i.e. SN) so no longer fear anything they can do to me. Himmler ctb'ed AFTER he was Captured; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler#:~:text=Heinrich Luitpold Himmler (German: [,primarily known for being a Showing if you have an exit strategy & are prepared to use it. You are literally untouchable!

Why did some of them ctb to avoid getting captured? To avoid being hanged? If he got captured do you think he would have gotten hanged? Why did others not ctb? Some even got locked up in prison. I heard that one actually deserved to be hanged but instead got 20 years. He basically got away with war crimes

 

[Kalista]

My mom said that I'm always fighting and going against the world. She said that it must be really tiring and taxing to be in constant opposition with everything. Is it better to surrender and give in? Maybe I should just go with the flow. There must be a reason as to why the system works and how there hasn't been a revolution yet. I heard that the most successful people make the system work for them.

It works to an extent, but it's also highly abused by people who knows how to. Never convinced yourself that the system does fully work and this is how things should be. That's being in denial and dismissive of the real issues. It's a destructive system. How I see it is the reason you fail is because you're doing it on your own and people with similar perspectives aren't united. The majority of the population become brainwashed into thinking this is how the world works. Which is somewhat true, but it doesn't have to be, and people also have the absolute power to make a change if they wanted to if they worked together.

If we're talking about major companies, they rely on workers for profit while sitting on their asses in some yacht using your hard earned money. Take out the workers and there's no more company. We are the cog the keeps things running no matter what anyone says because we're doing the hard work. However, those positions easily get filled because not having money is punishing in this country. You stop working, you don't survive. So you find people desperate enough to fill in those positions.

There's no revolution because again, people aren't united and mad enough to make a change. Another thing to consider is organizations like Democratic Socialists of America only accepts peaceful protests. Change without violence won't produce the change we need. Ever seen a revolution without people getting hurt or dying on either sides? That's the absolute reality of it. People will have to choose sacrifice over comfort in order to achieve that change and many don't want to get hurt enough to do so.
People also are too afraid to even participate in an ongoing protest for fear of losing their jobs as they call out of those work days. They have bills to pay such as rent so they don't become homeless, family to support with the hard earned money and many other reasons that depend on money.

The most successful people that made the system work for them also had money beforehand. Lots of it (inheritance and other sources). Don't fall for the nonsense the media spews about such things -- "if they can do it, so can you" type of phrases. These people already had massive advantage over many and can fail as many times as they need until something becomes successful for them. Something you and many of us don't have the luxury of doing.
If you really want to make the system work for you, you'll end up hurting a lot of people along the way as it requires taking advantage of others.

Know that you aren't alone with fighting the system. There are so many out there trying to do the same, but they're all too unorganized. Find and reach out to them if you still want to continue fighting. If that's the kind of life you want to choose to live.
There's truth in what your mom said, but do you really want to stop even if it's exhausting?

Or "go with the flow" if you don't want to deal with any of it anymore and become a sheep like everyone else. I'm not immune to this statement.

Violence is a key factor to make a change even if people don't like to hear that. People are fooling themselves if a peaceful approach is the better/best approach.