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Especially when it comes to divisive topic? I tend to be a very emotionally sensitive person so I do mold my ideas to fit in, but I prefer to be logical when it comes to issues I find important. Despite my time on forums, I agree on ideas shared by mainstream liberals but for reasons that are surprisingly not accepted among their spaces.
 
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I think I am a logical one. Though some people who do not believe in reincarnation to the point they believe in its absence probably will not agree with that.
 
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Very logical about everything unless I'm overwhelmed. Even about friendships, ctb. May be because I'm autistic. It served me very well in coming with things for many years until I had a breakdown. Now it is working to tell me to ctb. So much that I try not to discuss my reasons I want to ctb in case I persuade them to ctb too.
 
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So emotional I'm jealous of people with a logical mind
 
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Especially when it comes to divisive topic? I tend to be a very emotionally sensitive person so I do mold my ideas to fit in, but I prefer to be logical when it comes to issues I find important. Despite my time on forums, I agree on ideas shared by mainstream liberals but for reasons that are surprisingly not accepted among their spaces.
You said once you don't feel. Hmm 🤔

You like liberalism? 😢 Trump is the second coming of Jesus 🙌 he will fix homelessness, reduce inflation, stop the wars, and create heaven on earth for his flock
 
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Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

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I idolize logic but I would say when it comes to controversial topics, I still act emotionally even when I'm trying to stay neutral because my anxiety would rather appeal to every side of most issues.
 
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Alexei_Kirillov

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It's a bit of a false dichotomy. Logic and rationality cannot exist in a vacuum; ultimately they're just tools to be used in the service of goals. Those goals usually arise from emotions. For example, I tend to think very logically about CTB, but the only reason I started thinking about CTB in the first place was because of overwhelming negative emotion. So it's not as simple as an either/or (though I do acknowledge that "logical vs emotional thinker" is a useful proxy for certain measures of personality, like impulsiveness or conscientiousness).
 
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Linda

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Especially when it comes to divisive topic? I tend to be a very emotionally sensitive person so I do mold my ideas to fit in, but I prefer to be logical when it comes to issues I find important. Despite my time on forums, I agree on ideas shared by mainstream liberals but for reasons that are surprisingly not accepted among their spaces.
You are definitely left-hemisphere dominated, i.e. you mainly think logically rather than emotionally. Like me. That certainly doesn't mean we don't feel emotions, or that our thinking can not be influenced by emotions, but logic tends to predominate. Part of your problem is that you apply logical reasoning to situations where you have very incomplete data, but then you trust your conclusions.
I would suggest that you don't "mold [your] ideas to fit in". It's better to be yourself, but develop a thicker shell. That's what I had to do. If you go that route (and I think you will eventually) there will be no stopping you.
 
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You said once you don't feel. Hmm 🤔

You like liberalism? 😢 Trump is the second coming of Jesus 🙌 he will fix homelessness, reduce inflation, stop the wars, and create heaven on earth for his flock
Trump is the Antichrist
 
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EvisceratedJester

EvisceratedJester

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This type of dichotomous thinking isn't well liked for a reason. When we evaluate situations we typically rely on both emotions and logic to dictate our own choices and views. Most things in regards to human attributes cannot be simplified down to dichomotomies. People are rarely able to engage in logic while completely divorced from their emotions, whether conscious of it or not. Your average person is also going to be evaluating their situations based on logic to some extent. "Emotional vs logical" thinker isn't an actual thing and seems to be something that generally touted a lot by people who tend to lack any self-awareness and who happen to be "SupEr LoGicAL 0% EMotIonAL, facts don't care about your feelings, get fucked libtard" type people.
 
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why am i alive?

why am i alive?

Look where i ended
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Well I think logical but my emotions often take over
 
goodoldnoname923

goodoldnoname923

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Especially when it comes to divisive topic? I tend to be a very emotionally sensitive person so I do mold my ideas to fit in, but I prefer to be logical when it comes to issues I find important. Despite my time on forums, I agree on ideas shared by mainstream liberals but for reasons that are surprisingly not accepted among their spaces.
When it comes to situations I'm personally not involved in i find it easy to apply logic to the situation when I'm emotionally involved or effected directly however i find it hard to separate my emotions becoming an emotional thinker
 
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This type of dichotomous thinking isn't well liked for a reason. When we evaluate situations we typically rely on both emotions and logic to dictate our own choices and views. Most things in regards to human attributes cannot be simplified down to dichomotomies. People are rarely able to engage in logic while completely divorced from their emotions, whether conscious of it or not. Your average person is also going to be evaluating their situations based on logic to some extent. "Emotional vs logical" thinker isn't an actual thing and seems to be something that generally touted a lot by people who tend to lack any self-awareness and who happen to be "SupEr LoGicAL 0% EMotIonAL, facts don't care about your feelings, get fucked libtard" type people.
Yes, everyone uses both, but it is very well established that most people lean more heavily on one mode of thinking than on the other. You can see it for yourself in the people around you, and scientific investigation confirms it.
 
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ijustwishtodie

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I'm more of a logical thinker than an emotional thinker. I don't really let emotions cloud my thoughts the same way most normies do. Even if the emotions hurt like hell, I still stay as logical as possible because that's just something that I do
 
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derpyderpins

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Sep 19, 2023
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Part of your problem is that you apply logical reasoning to situations where you have very incomplete data, but then you trust your conclusions. I would suggest that you don't "mold [your] ideas to fit in". It's better to be yourself, but develop a thicker shell. That's what I had to do. If you go that route (and I think you will eventually) there will be no stopping you.
Adding to this. (Upon review, I guess I'm more reiterating rather than adding.) Logical, emotional, whatever label you want to put on it, you will be a better thinker if you can (1) critically reexamine your own conclusions as you get new information, and (2) learn to understand - even if you ultimately reject - the thought process of those you disagree with or are tempted to "other."
 
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ThatGuyOverThere

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Apr 25, 2024
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I Used to be a very emotional thinker when I was younger, but then that emotionality, began to dissipate after I Attempted suicide, which led me to be more objective in analysing my surroundings, and forming opinions, which is what lead me to my anti natalist & Pro-Mortalist views, Though as a result of being hyper analytical to my every surroundings I have become a major over thinker and have developed a scattered brain, due to the amount of over analysing I tend to do.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
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Probably more emotional but I try to use logic to step back and try and assess why I'm feeling like I am or why I'm inclined to make a cartain choice. I'm emotional but perhaps cautious of what a mess my emotions can get me in.
 
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EvisceratedJester

EvisceratedJester

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Yes, everyone uses both, but it is very well established that most people lean more heavily on one mode of thinking than on the other. You can see it for yourself in the people around you, and scientific investigation confirms it.
In psychology, researchers tend to focus on dual processes, which refers to the use of our system 1 and system 2 ways of thinking. Type 1, which relies more on the subconscious and emotions (your intuition or gut-feeling), while type 2 tends to rely more heavily consciously working things out. People don't tend to routinely think rationally. Our thought processes are generally not rational due to much of it being unconscious, emotional, and automatic. We don't tend to primarily rely mainly on one or the other. We are constantly using a mixture of both thought processes throughout our daily life depending on our situation.

Even when looking strictly at the idea of being "logical", this motivation usually comes from a place of emotion. We aren't easily persuaded and critical of others when we hear people refer to them as irrational, but when we are called out for our inconsistencies or lack of logic we become motivated to rethink our position. Reason is something that is commonly enforced by our emotions.

People don't lean more on emotions or logic, rather we are constantly using a mixture of both to dictate our thought processes. Whether we prioritize logic or emotions is something that comes more down to the situation we are in and even then our emotions can act as motivation for the use of more logical reasoning. Our emotions are something that come about as a response to something and play a key role in our decsion-making process.
Current emotions often provide feedback about the consequences of particular actions in particular situations. On the basis of such experiences, we can subsequently anticipate the emotional consequences of similar actions in related situations. When contemplating such actions in the future, twinges of anticipated affect can then alter our choices to maximize positive outcomes.
Our emotions play a huge role in our everyday thinking processes, whether we are aware of it or not.

The relationships between emotions and rationality is a complex one and the idea of there being a dichotomy between emotions and logic is one that, from my knowledge, is a flawed way of thinking. Along with that:

You can see it for yourself in the people around you
That is a flawed argument. I am me, not you or anyone else. Someone making what seems to be a logical decision doesn't mean that said decision was based fully in logic. I'm not them, so how am I supposed to know their thought process by just watching them? Also, my own biases would get in the way. What people consider to be rational or logical can sometimes be based in their own biases. If I'm religious then I may view believing in god as being rational as oppose to being an atheist. If I am a conservative then I may view anyone left of the political spectrum as being less rational than me and vice versa. Along with that, even ignoring the issues with using observation alone to prove your point, our emotional processes can be subtle and even unconscious so just pure anecdotal observations alone are useless.
 
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Linda

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In psychology, researchers tend to focus on dual processes, which refers to the use of our system 1 and system 2 ways of thinking. Type 1, which relies more on the subconscious and emotions (your intuition or gut-feeling), while type 2 tends to rely more heavily consciously working things out. People don't tend to routinely think rationally. Our thought processes are generally not rational due to much of it being unconscious, emotional, and automatic. We don't tend to primarily rely mainly on one or the other. We are constantly using a mixture of both thought processes throughout our daily life depending on our situation.

Even when looking strictly at the idea of being "logical", this motivation usually comes from a place of emotion. We aren't easily persuaded and critical of others when we hear people refer to them as irrational, but when we are called out for our inconsistencies or lack of logic we become motivated to rethink our position. Reason is something that is commonly enforced by our emotions.

People don't lean more on emotions or logic, rather we are constantly using a mixture of both to dictate our thought processes. Whether we prioritize logic or emotions is something that comes more down to the situation we are in and even then our emotions can act as motivation for the use of more logical reasoning. Our emotions are something that come about as a response to something and play a key role in our decsion-making process.
Our emotions play a huge role in our everyday thinking processes, whether we are aware of it or not.

The relationships between emotions and rationality is a complex one and the idea of there being a dichotomy between emotions and logic is one that, from my knowledge, is a flawed way of thinking. Along with that:


That is a flawed argument. I am me, not you or anyone else. Someone making what seems to be a logical decision doesn't mean that said decision was based fully in logic. I'm not them, so how am I supposed to know their thought process by just watching them? Also, my own biases would get in the way. What people consider to be rational or logical can sometimes be based in their own biases. If I'm religious then I may view believing in god as being rational as oppose to being an atheist. If I am a conservative then I may view anyone left of the political spectrum as being less rational than me and vice versa. Along with that, even ignoring the issues with using observation alone to prove your point, our emotional processes can be subtle and even unconscious so just pure anecdotal observations alone are useless.
When I am making the decisions involved in debugging code, for example - something I have to do quite often - I better use logic, and logic only, because emotions certainly aren't going to help me. So some decisions, at least, are certainly 100% based in logic. Whether or not you or I think they are based in logic, it is clearly true that they are. You just can't find or fix bugs in code using emotional thinking.
I don't know why you are choosing to make an argument out of this. Nobody is disputing that most day to day decisions involve a mix of logic and emotions. All that I am claiming is that some people make more use of logic and less use of emotions than others, and that claim is obviously true. Anyone who disputes it has either not met many people or is being disingenuous.
You may not know what lies behind your own decisions, but that is not the issue here. (I have enough insight into myself that I can usually tell for myself - if I stop to think about it, which of course I usually don't because there is no need.) You may not be able to tell whether the people around you are making their decisions based mainly on logic or mainly on emotions, but I often can (if I know the people concerned reasonably well). And so can most people. You or I or other people can't do it in every case, for the reasons you point out, but that does not invalidate the more general point that I am making.
What I am saying is not based on "anecdotal observations" , it is based on a vast mass of observations, both informal and those that have been well organised scientifically. It seems to me that you are over-thinking this. Sometimes what is obvious is in fact true.
 
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I try to stay logical but there are times when I let emotion take over and I hate myself for it
 
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EvisceratedJester

EvisceratedJester

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When I am making the decisions involved in debugging code, for example - something I have to do quite often - I better use logic, and logic only, because emotions certainly aren't going to help me. So some decisions, at least, are certainly 100% based in logic. Whether or not you or I think they are based in logic, it is clearly true that they are. You just can't find or fix bugs in code using emotional thinking.
I don't know why you are choosing to make an argument out of this. Nobody is disputing that most day to day decisions involve a mix of logic and emotions. All that I am claiming is that some people make more use of logic and less use of emotions than others, and that claim is obviously true. Anyone who disputes it has either not met many people or is being disingenuous.
You may not know what lies behind your own decisions, but that is not the issue here. (I have enough insight into myself that I can usually tell for myself - if I stop to think about it, which of course I usually don't because there is no need.) You may not be able to tell whether the people around you are making their decisions based mainly on logic or mainly on emotions, but I often can (if I know the people concerned reasonably well). And so can most people. You or I or other people can't do it in every case, for the reasons you point out, but that does not invalidate the more general point that I am making.
What I am saying is not based on "anecdotal observations" , it is based on a vast mass of observations, both informal and those that have been well organised scientifically. It seems to me that you are over-thinking this. Sometimes what is obvious is in fact true.
It's funny you mention having enough insight into yourself because in reality, we don't have nearly as much insight into ourselves and how we function as we like to believe. Introspection can only go so far and we cannot take into consideration how are our behaviour and thoughts are influenced by things we aren't aware of. From non-concious cues to there being instances where there is a disconnect between the parts of the brain that allow us to construct explanations for our behaviour and the parts of the brain that actually generation our behaviour (take split-brain patients for example), to how the subconscious parts of the brain impact our everyday decision-making, you truly don't know yourself and the causes of your behaviour and line of thinking as well as you think you do. How are you going to claim that your decisions are 100% logical when in no way you can confirm that your own unconscious emotions may have played a role in them?

Emotions play a key role in our everyday decision-making, even in ways we don't notice. Rationality is, to some degree or another, dictated by your emotions. There is no "emotion vs logic" dichotomy. People are constantly relying on their emotions to some degree when making decisions, with the relationship between logic and emotion being a complex intertwined one. This view is, to my knowledge, the general view held by most researchers. Emotions are something that we evolved to have because they play an integral role in our decision-making. 100% logic-based decisions completely divorced from emotion aren't a thing.

What I am saying is not based on "anecdotal observations"
You may not be able to tell whether the people around you are making their decisions based mainly on logic or mainly on emotions, but I often can (if I know the people concerned reasonably well).
Anyone who disputes it has either not met many people or is being disingenuous.
^The audacity to claim that you aren't basing this off of anecdotes while also talking about using anecdotes to support your view. Also, you aren't psychic. You cannot use your own observations to make claims like these. You are about as clueless as me as to how people come to their own conclusions. I don't know how you somehow have the magical ability to just know something that is going on in a person's head...
 
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Aonaiir

Aonaiir

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I'm a mix of both but I prefer to think logically however I always try to put myself in someone else's shoes. It really depends on the topic and the situation but I absolutely hate being driven by emotion when it comes to making decisions or picking a side. I also hate looking at things in just one way, I always try to get everyone's perspective even if I cant quite relate to them or it on a personal level so that requires me to be very empathetic. That's why I say its a mix of both. I'm also very passionate so that's why I say it depends on the topic and situation because I can get lost in the intensity of it all, especially if its something I already relate to on a personal level but I pride myself on still being able to think logically even when it becomes personal. Its one of my best attributes. You can see where the mix comes into play every time, its like yin and yang. I think you need both to have proper judgement, being too apathetic is dangerous but being driven only by emotional instinct is just as harmful. Still if I had to pick one I would go towards logical thinking by at least 60-70%, but I always leave that 30-40% on the backburner just in case for the emotional side of things. In rare occasions it could flip, then I'm leaving the 30-40% for the logical side of things. Those are very rare occasions though, and I dont really like when they occur.
 
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It's funny you mention having enough insight into yourself because in reality, we don't have nearly as much insight into ourselves and how we function as we like to believe. Introspection can only go so far and we cannot take into consideration how are our behaviour and thoughts are influenced by things we aren't aware of. From non-concious cues to there being instances where there is a disconnect between the parts of the brain that allow us to construct explanations for our behaviour and the parts of the brain that actually generation our behaviour (take split-brain patients for example), to how the subconscious parts of the brain impact our everyday decision-making, you truly don't know yourself and the causes of your behaviour and line of thinking as well as you think you do. How are you going to claim that your decisions are 100% logical when in no way you can confirm that your own unconscious emotions may have played a role in them?

Emotions play a key role in our everyday decision-making, even in ways we don't notice. Rationality is, to some degree or another, dictated by your emotions. There is no "emotion vs logic" dichotomy. People are constantly relying on their emotions to some degree when making decisions, with the relationship between logic and emotion being a complex intertwined one. This view is, to my knowledge, the general view held by most researchers. Emotions are something that we evolved to have because they play an integral role in our decision-making. 100% logic-based decisions completely divorced from emotion aren't a thing.




^The audacity to claim that you aren't basing this off of anecdotes while also talking about using anecdotes to support your view. Also, you aren't psychic. You cannot use your own observations to make claims like these. You are about as clueless as me as to how people come to their own conclusions. I don't know how you somehow have the magical ability to just know something that is going on in a person's head...
I know all that. I was reading Jung's collected works and a lot of Freud over 50 years ago. Don't teach your grandma to suck eggs, as the old saying goes. And none of it changes the things I stated in my pervous posts. We seem to be arguing at cross purposes.
 
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Critically Open-Minded (Mostly logical)
Ever since I learned: Beliefs are just long-term opinions.

"I don't know" 2/3 + 3 perfect words.
 
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I am strictly logical as much as I can be. It comes from my history of having extreme emotions. I always thought peoples' emotions were shitty garbage unreliable, inflammatory, explosive, well turns out it was more just my own.

I still carry a disrespect for emotional thinking. I don't really think that we can achieve "common good" while the majority of us are thinking emotionally. I find that incredibly distasteful to consider. But it is what it is. Love, mourning, generosity, grief, motivate us sometimes to help, just as much as they motivate us to harm.

I do not want to manage other peoples' emotions for them by designing my statements to only elicit this or that response. I'd rather we all just dedicate ourselves to rational thinking and behaviours, as citizens of Earth, and to consider that we are social beings and our emotions predate that reality evolutionarily, therefore there was some point at which our emotions became fairly ineffective at seeking fair and just societies, and though there may be much disagreement on which point in history it is that emotions derailed us, it could be agreed that it is a point in history, not future.
 
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I probably should take some of those personality tests... Most of the time my emotions reflect how I see things. Sometimes when I'm feeling dry or too stuck in my head I might not see anything.
"I don't know" 2/3 + 3 perfect words.
 
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I know all that. I was reading Jung's collected works and a lot of Freud over 50 years ago. Don't teach your grandma to suck eggs, as the old saying goes. And none of it changes the things I stated in my pervous posts. We seem to be arguing at cross purposes.
Most of Freud's work doesn't even hold up today. Also, from what I know, Jung's work doesn't even hold up anymore either. Carl Jung did not study human behaviour using the scientific method, to my knowledge. His work seems to be something that therapists tend to look into more and use in comparison to psychologists (just for clarification, not all therapists are psychologist, which explains why many of them use tests and theories that aren't used in psychology). His work isn't even covered in most psychology courses for a reason.

Also, you being older than me means nothing. This just feeds into this weird "older = smarter and wiser" bullshit that doesn't ring true in real life. An example of this is you treating your own anecdotal and likely biased observations as "mass observation", or whatever that means. That wouldn't hold up in an academic setting.
 
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Most of Freud's work doesn't even hold up today. Also, from what I know, Jung's work doesn't even hold up anymore either. Carl Jung did not study human behaviour using the scientific method, to my knowledge. His work seems to be something that therapists tend to look into more and use in comparison to psychologists (just for clarification, not all therapists are psychologist, which explains why many of them use tests and theories that aren't used in psychology). His work isn't even covered in most psychology courses for a reason.

Also, you being older than me means nothing. This just feeds into this weird "older = smarter and wiser" bullshit that doesn't ring true in real life. An example of this is you treating your own anecdotal and likely biased observations as "mass observation", or whatever that means. That wouldn't hold up in an academic setting.
This is getting us nowhere, largely because much of what you write is simply not pertinent to the points I am trying to make. I stand by everything I have posted in this thread.
And, again, please don't talk down to me. I know perfectly well that "not all therapists are psychologists". I never said they were. I know perfectly well that "much of Freud's work doesn't hold up", and much of Jung's (and I could tell that when I read those authors) - but since Freud was the first person to bring the idea of the unconscious into psychology (though he didn't invent the concept), and you brought up the concept here, I consider it relevant that I have read what Freud had to say on the subject.
I'll save you the trouble of telling me that the tendency to make more use of logic than emotions in making decisions is not a consequence of any left/right anatomical differences in the brain. I do know that.
You may consider that you know everything about this topic and that others on this site know nothng - but you can hardly expect us to agree with you.
I won't waste any more of my time posting again in this thread.
 
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