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So I have my SN already and am crunched for time. I don't have any benzos or antiemetics and it's going to be really difficult and expensive to get them, I live in the US.

I'm planning to fast and will try to get my hands on some painkillers. Is going through with the SN without antiemetics likely to succeed? Thanks.
 
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very unlikely, you might be able to avoid vomiting, or be able to take more afterward, but the stomach will empty into the intestines slowly, which will give more time for the body to fight the sn through demethemoglobization. also, sn isn't a drug, yes it's a peaceful poison, but it's not going to produce any feelings of relief or relaxation. you will mostly likely be able to feel your body shutting down fairly lucidly

i would definitely recommend the painkillers if nothing else, your body will fight the unconsciousness :happy: edit: also its pretty salty, imagine swallowing like an entire salt bottle or drinking sea water. it will probably produce strong feelings of dehydration, and mildly burn the throat and esophagus.
 
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No. They're not. Several people have succeed without them.
 
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I'm not an expert. I have one SS friend who died using sn. She used Zofran which I don't believe is the right type of anti-emetic. She might have had benzos, I'm not sure. She didn't talk about pain, only that her body was shaking. that was the last I heard.
 
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the antiemetic isn't an activator for the poison, so yeah sure.
IF you're okay with throwing up, potentially mutiple times.

have a 2nd and ideally 3rd or 4th glass, and hope you ingest enough SN before throwing up and/or passing out (and then throwing up while passed out). it's possible, people have done it... but the antiemetics are reccomended for a reason.

i'm also gonna quote yankey doodle here
Hi! Would it be possible to instead take an acid regulator and antiemetics before SN, to just take some sleeping pills?
acid regulators aren't needed nor are benzos, by the way. benzos and betablockers are optional.

all you need is SN and water.
all you need for a high chance of succeeding is SN, water, and antiemetics.
for the best experience(tm), have SN, water, antiemetics, a generic painkiller like panadol, a betablocker, and something to relax you i.e benzos.

sorry for the salty post, but multiple people have been asking recently, and i'm tired of repeating the same thing: antiemetics are reccomended for a reason.
 
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you should definitely try to at least get zofran. at least, zofran. just walk into the ER and say you have migraines and can't keep food down. zofran wont speed up death but its something. also tagamet can reduce stomach acid, and pepto bismol can line the stomach to reduce burning. use mouthwash on throat and tongue to remove burning, and drink lots of water before the four hour window. it is really dehydrating. it is probably more dehydrating than nasueaing. also i'd definitely recommend benadryl or doxylamine, to cause sedation, because you don't wanna be awake for this probably. also i'd recommend lots of blankets and somewhere pretty comfortable, and doing it when you would normally go to sleep. good luck
 
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you should definitely try to at least get zofran. at least, zofran. just walk into the ER and say you have migraines and can't keep food down. zofran wont speed up death but its something. also tagamet can reduce stomach acid, and pepto bismol can line the stomach to reduce burning. use mouthwash on throat and tongue to remove burning, and drink lots of water before the four hour window. it is really dehydrating. it is probably more dehydrating than nasueaing. also i'd definitely recommend benadryl or doxylamine, to cause sedation, because you don't wanna be awake for this probably. also i'd recommend lots of blankets and somewhere pretty comfortable, and doing it when you would normally go to sleep. good luck
Antacids or other acid reducers are no longer recommended. It's better to have a lower pH in your stomach because of the way SN reacts with acid, it'll knock you out quicker. But zofran is a good recommendation though, it's often used for chemotherapy so it must be a pretty potent drug.
 
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Antacids or other acid reducers are no longer recommended. It's better to have a lower pH in your stomach because of the way SN reacts with acid, it'll knock you out quicker. But zofran is a good recommendation though, it's often used for chemotherapy so it must be a pretty potent drug.
I've got Zofran and Metoprolol (a beta-blocker), left over from Mark's cancer stash. I've used Zofran myself, for treatment of Chronic Pancreatitis, and it does a great job with nausea. I tend to puke easily, and Zofran helps with that.

Benzos are hard to get prescribed, in Texas. And, they don't seem to work for me, when I had them. I'll just use the above-mentioned meds, plus some Naproxen, for headache pain.
 
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Antacids or other acid reducers are no longer recommended. It's better to have a lower pH in your stomach because of the way SN reacts with acid, it'll knock you out quicker. But zofran is a good recommendation though, it's often used for chemotherapy so it must be a pretty potent drug.
how do you reduce burning though? won't reducing the acid at least shave off some of the salty burning? zofran is not super potent and is regularly prescribed for patients having problems with nausea, i only say this because, so basically, the body naturally has some natural methemoglobinemia, and can slowly revert these blood cells back into having healthy hemoglobin. this is why some people wake up afterward just fine, because the body can get rid of this poison without any medical intervention. however something like 40g completely overwhelms this mechanism, causing the body to shut down before healthy levels of hemoglobin return. right?

the issue is, the stomach does not absorb any SN, nothing will happen until the SN reaches the small intestine, meaning it could take a period of over 2 hours for the SN to be fully absorbed, making the 40g release in something like 10g after 30 min, another 10g after 30 min, etc. so it fails to overwhelm the body before it can remove the metheglobin. reglan and another d2 dopamine antagonists cause stomach muscle contractions, on top of nasueua supression, meaning the 40g hits the small intestine all at once.

same goes for reducing stomach acid. the quicker the SN can get past the stomach to the intestines, the more lethal the attempt.
 
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you should definitely try to at least get zofran. at least, zofran. just walk into the ER and say you have migraines and can't keep food down. zofran wont speed up death but its something. also tagamet can reduce stomach acid, and pepto bismol can line the stomach to reduce burning. use mouthwash on throat and tongue to remove burning, and drink lots of water before the four hour window. it is really dehydrating. it is probably more dehydrating than nasueaing. also i'd definitely recommend benadryl or doxylamine, to cause sedation, because you don't wanna be awake for this probably. also i'd recommend lots of blankets and somewhere pretty comfortable, and doing it when you would normally go to sleep. good luck
Yeah, Zofran Rules the School!
Each time I had to go to the ER when my Chronic Pancreatitis became too difficult to deal with, at home, Mark would tell the triage nurse, "I know you can't give her pain meds until she's seen a doc. But, please, start a saline drip and give her IV Zofran." They'd do it every time, and I'd stop vomiting almost immediately. Sorry to be gross, but CP is a yucky disease.
 
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how do you reduce burning though? won't reducing the acid at least shave off some of the salty burning? zofran is not super potent and is regularly prescribed for patients having problems with nausea, i only say this because, so basically, the body naturally has some natural methemoglobinemia, and can slowly revert these blood cells back into having healthy hemoglobin. this is why some people wake up afterward just fine, because the body can get rid of this poison without any medical intervention. however something like 40g completely overwhelms this mechanism, causing the body to shut down before healthy levels of hemoglobin return. right?

the issue is, the stomach does not absorb any SN, nothing will happen until the SN reaches the small intestine, meaning it could take a period of over 2 hours for the SN to be fully absorbed, making the 40g release in something like 10g after 30 min, another 10g after 30 min, etc. so it fails to overwhelm the body before it can remove the metheglobin. reglan and another d2 dopamine antagonists cause stomach muscle contractions, on top of nasueua supression, meaning the 40g hits the small intestine all at once.

same goes for reducing stomach acid. the quicker the SN can get past the stomach to the intestines, the more lethal the attempt.
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-question-about-antacid.106147/ I probably should have included that in my first post. ;^^

I didn't realize zofran wasn't as potent as I thought it would be. I just assumed it was because it's used in chemotherapy, a very grueling session where cancer patients are given all manner of drugs to try to fight off cancer cells, most of which can induce vomiting and I hear zofran (or the non-brand name Ondansetron) being used most often for preventing vomiting out the drugs. If metoclopramide and/or domperidone are that superior to zofran, why are they not used over zofran for chemotherapy?
 
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how do you reduce burning though? won't reducing the acid at least shave off some of the salty burning? zofran is not super potent and is regularly prescribed for patients having problems with nausea, i only say this because, so basically, the body naturally has some natural methemoglobinemia, and can slowly revert these blood cells back into having healthy hemoglobin. this is why some people wake up afterward just fine, because the body can get rid of this poison without any medical intervention. however something like 40g completely overwhelms this mechanism, causing the body to shut down before healthy levels of hemoglobin return. right?

the issue is, the stomach does not absorb any SN, nothing will happen until the SN reaches the small intestine, meaning it could take a period of over 2 hours for the SN to be fully absorbed, making the 40g release in something like 10g after 30 min, another 10g after 30 min, etc. so it fails to overwhelm the body before it can remove the metheglobin. reglan and another d2 dopamine antagonists cause stomach muscle contractions, on top of nasueua supression, meaning the 40g hits the small intestine all at once.

same goes for reducing stomach acid. the quicker the SN can get past the stomach to the intestines, the more lethal the attempt.
That's where the fast comes in. If you haven't eaten in the time-frame recommended, your stomach will be empty and your bowels will be, too. Some folks recommend Milk of Magnesia to make sure your intestines are clear. I'm not positive about this, maybe @Shadowlord900 could chime in?
 
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Is paracetamol a good painkiller? I have some with codeine at home. I don't have any antiemetics though. Should I tell my doctor that I constantly vomit every time I eat?
Should you go empty your bowels, and your bladder, to the toilet before starting your CTB?
 
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Is paracetamol a good painkiller? I have some with codeine at home. I don't have any antiemetics though. Should I tell my doctor that I constantly vomit every time I eat?
Should you go empty your bowels, and your bladder, to the toilet before starting your CTB?
Paracetamol (Tylenol, in my country) is fine. Codeine is good too. This is to control the headache that will probably happen.

Tell your doctor that you've started to experience severe headaches, which make you nauseated and the smell of food makes you want to vomit. She will most likely prescribe a short course of AEs.

Definitely empty your bowels and bladder before you drink the SN. You need it to go right from your stomach to your intestines, for maximum saturation. Plus, you don't want to literally shit the bed, do you?
 
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Thank you so much! In fact, I hate shit on myself. I've heard of dead bodies shit themselves after the person is dead, yuck.
 
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the antiemetic isn't an activator for the poison, so yeah sure.
IF you're okay with throwing up, potentially mutiple times.

have a 2nd and ideally 3rd or 4th glass, and hope you ingest enough SN before throwing up and/or passing out (and then throwing up while passed out). it's possible, people have done it... but the antiemetics are reccomended for a reason.

i'm also gonna quote yankey doodle here

acid regulators aren't needed nor are benzos, by the way. benzos and betablockers are optional.

all you need is SN and water.
all you need for a high chance of succeeding is SN, water, and antiemetics.
for the best experience(tm), have SN, water, antiemetics, a generic painkiller like panadol, a betablocker, and something to relax you i.e benzos.

sorry for the salty post, but multiple people have been asking recently, and i'm tired of repeating the same thing: antiemetics are reccomended for a reason.
That's my plan. Can't afford antiemetics and idk who's going to prescribe me those. Just gonna go cold turkey pure SN drink. I will have enough for multiple water bottles.
 
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Milk of Magnesia
Milk of Magnesia (or Magnesium Hydroxide) has a high pH level of 10. I think that's the main component of antacids that is used to neutralize stomach acid and balance the pH level. So unfortunately I can't recommend Milk of Magnesia either.

Is paracetamol a good painkiller? I have some with codeine at home. I don't have any antiemetics though. Should I tell my doctor that I constantly vomit every time I eat?
Should you go empty your bowels, and your bladder, to the toilet before starting your CTB?
Any painkiller is fine as long as you don't go above the maximum hourly or daily dose. Also this next part is just my own personal opinion, I can't really recommend ibuprofen. I think it reacts more with your stomach/intestines than other painkillers because I've been advised by various medical professions not to use Ibuprofen if you've got various problems with your gastrointestinal tract such as stomach ulcers.
 
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I don't recommend ibuprofen because they can prevent certain gastric functions from working. Doctors also told me that.
 
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Milk of Magnesia (or Magnesium Hydroxide) has a high pH level of 10. I think that's the main component of antacids that is used to neutralize stomach acid and balance the pH level. So unfortunately I can't recommend Milk of Magnesia either.


Any painkiller is fine as long as you don't go above the maximum hourly or daily dose. Also this next part is just my own personal opinion, I can't really recommend ibuprofen. I think it reacts more with your stomach/intestines than other painkillers because I've been advised by various medical professions not to use Ibuprofen if you've got various problems with your gastrointestinal tract such as stomach ulcers.
Thanks @Shadowlord900. You always give good value!

I'd like to add, for those who are looking to coat the stomach, to lessen the burning sensation from the salt, do not consume any dairy products! It might feel good going down, but dairy vomit is awful! Trust Noni on this one. When my Panky was attacking me, I'd crave a cold glass of milk. I'd drink one, then, minutes later have curdled milk in my puke bowl. Again, sorry for the grossness. But the human body is a complex and sometimes disgusting thing.
Thank you so much! In fact, I hate shit on myself. I've heard of dead bodies shit themselves after the person is dead, yuck.
It usually happens. The muscles have relaxed, including the sphincter muscles in our nether regions. Not going to lie, this was a concern I had when my husband died at home. I asked the hospice chaplain what to do if it happened. He said, "Just scoop it up and throw it in the backyard."

It didn't happen. Mark had been unable to eat for many days, had lost the ability to swallow, so there was nothing there. I feel guilty admitting I was concerned about such matters, but I have a strong gag-reaction and didn't want to puke on him!
 
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https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-question-about-antacid.106147/ I probably should have included that in my first post. ;^^

I didn't realize zofran wasn't as potent as I thought it would be. I just assumed it was because it's used in chemotherapy, a very grueling session where cancer patients are given all manner of drugs to try to fight off cancer cells, most of which can induce vomiting and I hear zofran (or the non-brand name Ondansetron) being used most often for preventing vomiting out the drugs. If metoclopramide and/or domperidone are that superior to zofran, why are they not used over zofran for chemotherapy?
i don't know, but meto and domperidone carry risk of tardive, which is something worse than death, so i think doctors don't wanna prescribe unless necessary. zofran has a high safety profile, so it is more commonly prescribed. chemo therapy is not sn poisoning, and the prokinetic effects of meto are more important than strictly preventing all vomiting. chemo is probably just as awful as sn poisoning though haha (basically, prokinetics effects = higher chance of death from SN)

Is paracetamol a good painkiller? I have some with codeine at home. I don't have any antiemetics though. Should I tell my doctor that I constantly vomit every time I eat?
Should you go empty your bowels, and your bladder, to the toilet before starting your CTB?

you should definitely fast for as long as you can, but hopefully 3 days? i know its hard probably because your depressed but its kind of fun? hunger sometimes is an enjoyable feeling. worse case scenario you end up losing weight haha. paracetamol increases prostagladins in the stomach to cause gerd, and sn hurts the most in the stomach i'd say. for pain i would just go with a narcotic, something more for the brain like alcohol. emotional pain caused by you experiencing death will probably be higher than physical pain, so anything psychoactive would probably be more peaceful. physical pain definitely is there. the heart starts to beat HARD, and physically hurts in a way that feels more like cardiac arrest than exercise. if your lucid, you will be able to feel your interal organs shutting down fairly consciously, because they are. sn kills you by starving your organs and brain of oxygen, and that is what will happen, and what you will experience, because its how the poison works. your brain will turn into something that of a dementia patient, and you will be scared, delirious, and confused. basically just imagine experiencing this, and think of what might help you get through this experience. it is similar to being vasoconstricted by lsd and feeling very meak and squeamish. the body starts to get very cold, and nothing will help except a high room temperature, because the cooling is happening from the inside out. sharp pains, like something like kidney stones, will intermittently occasionally pierce your body. hell id even recommend emptying the kidneys, liver, every organ, because their processes will slow, and become weak, causing a similar stress to working out. imagine all of your organs are trying to lift a 40 lb dumbell, with all their might, due to your muscles becoming much weaker.

your limbs will jolt/seize, because of electric chemical reactions of physical structure of composition of the body. ie (dead frog moving from current). this is because the electricity in your body is undisturbed by dying. your body will want to shake violently, especially your limbs. although you still will mostly likely be able to move them, maybe read a book or watch a tv show.

your breathing will get very shallow, and weak. it may feel like lifting a 40 dumbbell just to suck in a bit of air. this is quite a scary feeling, that feels somewhat like drowning, and a gasping reaction will happen as the brain desperately attempts to use the lungs. you will be desperate for air, because the muscles that facilitate breathing will weaken dramatically.

your body will fight death. the farthest reaches of your will to live will show. similar to a starving man in a jungle who eats his own dog, your instincts will show nakedly. every organ has a will to live of its own, and each of them will understand exactly what is happening. the body is a remarkable machine, and will do whatever it takes to survive. there is nothing in your body that won't fight the SN.

but by far, the biggest fighter is your brain. it will attempt desperately to stay awake and conscious. all remaining oxygen in your body will be routed to your brain, as your brain struggles desperately to keep its activity. all other processes will shut down in support of your brain, your brain will fight to the very end.

essentially: peacefulness is important, dehydration will force you get up, if nothing else. very few people can fight dehydration for even a short period of time. But, knocking out the brain is key. This matters above all else. There is no way to make this experience truly peaceful, though you should definitely try, yes, but KNOCK THE BRAIN OUT. It is the strongest fighter in this experience. Nothing even comes close, bladder, stomach, bowels, etc, even the lungs and heart, to the brains dominance in keeping itself from dying.

ps: also ask for meto/domiperdone. theres probably nothing you can say to truly get it, because meto can cause tardive, so they will try something like zofran first. you might be able to go a few times, just complain of vomiting and migraines, yes. make sure you have a good reason too (ie maybe like PTSD vomitting, migraines from intense stress, etc). if you can bring in a script for zofran, and say it isn't working.

tldr: xanax, betablocker, blood pressure meds, benadryl, any hypnotic/sedative to attack brain's activity. most to least painful: brain activity/autonomic arousal>emotional turmoil>awareness of decreased bodily function>sharp cogntive decline>weakness of lungs>heart palpitations>burning of SN contact on tissue>dehydration/thrist>nasuea>myoclonic jerk>brief sharp pains in organs>hypothermia>physical discomfort>hunger
 
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sorry for the salty post, but multiple people have been asking recently, and i'm tired of repeating the same thing: antiemetics are reccomended for a reason.
Thank you! Are there any OTC antiemetics that can help, even slightly?
 
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Damn, I couldn't handle being fasted for 3 days. I know that in Switzerland, before an assisted suicide, there is sometimes a meal, especially with the family, before the person goes to the association that offers assisted suicide, on the big day of departure. With N, what Switzerland offers is wonderful, but it no longer exists, I hope it will be temporary.
 
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Anyone who knows a good antiemetic source in Belgium without needing to see a doctor?
 
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Both of those are fine to use.
Thank you! How long before drinking the SN would you say I should take the benadryl/tylenol (also which one is better haha). And if I'm able to get my hands on an antiemetic (most likely Zofran), what time should I take that?
 
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Thank you! Are there any OTC antiemetics that can help, even slightly?
Benadryl is OTC, and can be used to combat Motion Sickness. It can inhibit nausea. It also causes drowsiness.
 
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Thank you! How long before drinking the SN would you say I should take the benadryl/tylenol (also which one is better haha). And if I'm able to get my hands on an antiemetic (most likely Zofran), what time should I take that?
I'd follow Stan's guide. It's really handy:


Although if you're gonna go with Zofran, make sure to not accidentally go over its maximum daily dosage. You may need to adjust the regimen according to the dosage of antiemetic you're using. But to keep it simple, Stan recommends taking your painkillers an hour before taking SN, and your antiemetic 45 mins before taking SN.
 
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for pain i would just go with a narcotic, something more for the brain like alcohol.
Thank you for your post it was very informative. I'm planning to take a painkiller like benadryl or tylenol, if I ingest alcohol on top of this, will that increase my chances of throwing up? I've never thrown up from alcohol, only from weed, but I know in general it increases nausea.

Also, would you recommend weed to calm down as well and ease the brain? And what time would you recommend taking it &/or the alcohol in comparison the SN. Thanks!
 

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