Story Anyone seen this? SS in the news😡

[FromGermany]

The existance of this forum, the discussion here, provides the evidence, free speech exist.

At least here.

Free speech does not only apply to us. Everyone has to accept, that also the others have the right to say, whatever they want, whether one likes it or not. This is the core understanding of free speech. So calls from any side to silence the other are wrong.

Free speech includes the right for self-defense, to debunk the claims of the others. Only weak people are calling for censorship, because they have no arguments left.

 

[StarryStarry]

Free speech doesn't include taboo subjects like suicide because they know it's a complicated topic. Also you make a good point about watching the kids, but some of these kids who died were 17 or so and could easily lie about their age to join the site. At the end of the day it sucks but these kids made the individual choice to die, no one forced them to come here, no one forced them to kill themselves and if anything the real big question is where were the parents? Surely the signs were there but they didn't care enough to notice beforehand cause of work or whatever, I bet these kids felt so alone they joined a suicide forum just to feel understood or at the very least end their pain. But where were you parents? Instead of putting all the blame on this site maybe do some self reflection.

I agree with you 100%

 

[TheHatedOne]

''Look how saviour like we are because we called out on people who put an end to their suffering and we invaded the privacy of two guys to the point that anything could happen to them now!''

We are at the end of 2021 but most people still act like primitive apes over others who make their OWN decision to take their OWN life because they are suffering too much and don't want to be used as cheap labour anymore. Where is the ''muh body, muh choice?'' Y'all screamin' this saying unless it's about abortion or suicide.

What worries me the most is how they invaded the privacy of the two admins, who probably I assume took their privacy to the extreme considering what they got into, their locations still being found. It's scary, if even they were found that means there's no privacy at all on the internet.

The way they go against us, instilling fear and anxiety, being aggressive against us by invanding our privacy and not more, it shows to me how ''caring'' and ''good'' they are to those who suffer. If life was a sacred gift as they say, why do they have to do this and silence and destroy us like this? Something doesn't connect.

In that bubble of joy of theirs, they don't know about things such as ''homelessness'', ''unemployment'' , ''financial insecurity'' , ''death of loved ones'' , ''failed relationships'' , ''trauma from abuse'' , ''bullying'' , ''suffering'' etc. No, they see life as sunshine and rainbows and have to shove it down everyone's throat at all costs.

Also the minors who used this, I agree with a comment from above, where were the parents? You don't need more than a neuron to realize that the age verification can be surpassed easily about everywhere nowadays. Gotta love how most parents always blame outside factors for what happens to their kids, but never themselves.

My misanthropy levels are too high I need to stop.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

This looks problematic

 

[Midgardsorm]

It's stupid how they try so hard to demonize Marquis and Serge.

I don't know much about them. All I know is that they have created a space where people can be truthful, feel free to talk and meet other people that can understand them.

To have this idea and as far as I know as a computer scientist, create and maintain a forum like this is no little shit.
They deserve respect.


Media is always stating things they don't understand. Yet, they act as if they know what is the best for people.

- "Violation of law"
- "Talk to the 'Professionals'".

Aye. Most of us did. Some of us have terrible experiences, yet we keep trying. Some of us got locked in a cage and drugged without our consent because of it.
Isn't that violation of law too? Is such a thing only exists when it is to benefit the ones in power?

Not only that. They do efforts to remember Shawn, Daniel, Joe. All them in F26. People that I haven't had the pleasure to meet but have ultimately taken their own decision after obviously being mistreated by society and the so-called professionals.

We remember them too. But as free people. Not as victims.

 

[Simba]

I doubt they would care that much about regular members on this website but keeping low profile from now on, using VPN or TOR would help. Although they succeeded to locate Marquis and Serge despite the mods having layered security programs. If you're just a regular member on SS there's no need to worry too much about this.

Ummm not quite ,the stopSS gang one of them outed my real name on Twitter once before deleting ,i got really worried cause i never said my real name to anyone :(

 

[BeautifulMosaics]

(I just skimmed through for a few seconds)

So because a site provided the information that an obviously already depressed and vulnerable 17 year old sought out to kill themselves they want to end the site? Can they not see people will kill themselves anyway? If it's not this it will be another site. Censorship doesn't work. I am not pro-suicide. It's a shame it exists and I certainly don't want teenagers killing themselves but we don't live in Should-Land. Suicide is a reality and people want and deserve to kill themselves in as safe and painless a way as possible.

If you take away access to such information, people will attempt to kill themselves in dangerous and excruciating ways which may pose a danger to the general public and may also traumatize them. The suicidal may also harm themselves in terrifying ways and not even die - which is a worse position than where they started. This is a horrific risk that people shouldn't be forced to take - if the society can't help people, if it creates structures and situations where people feel the need to kill themselves and neglects to care for the desperate and vulnerable then safe and reliable ways to commit suicide should not be hidden.

The suicidal should not be silenced and forced into the underground because as we've come to learn there is no real group called "The Suicidal" - we are everyone. And discouraging discourse and sharing emotions just stunts society's growth into understanding how to help and understand people who are suicidal.

Just like in the 60s when they tried to encourage ignorance with teenagers and sex. We saw how that went. Like making abortions illegal, people will do it anyway and in dangerous ways if you force ignorance upon them. You can't hide the truth.

RIP to your son - I am so sorry for your loss but this is not the way.

 

[Simba]

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Media is always stating things they don't understand. Yet, they act as if they know what is the best for people.

- "Violation of law"
- "Talk to the 'Professionals'".

Aye. Most of us did. Some of us have terrible experiences, yet we keep trying. Some of us got locked in a cage and drugged without our consent because of it.
Isn't that violation of law too? Is such a thing only exists when it is to benefit the ones in power?

Agree. Personally i prefer talking to people my age who go thru similar situations n what not and not be subjected to 1on1 psychologist or what not just cause society is afraid that I'll infect or what not others with my sadness or negativity or what not.. so annoying and frustrating

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

(I just skimmed through for a few seconds)

So because a site provided the information that an obviously already depressed and vulnerable 17 year old sought out to kill themselves they want to end the site? Can they not see people will kill themselves anyway? If it's not this it will be another site. Censorship doesn't work. I am not pro-suicide. It's a shame it exists and I certainly don't want teenagers killing themselves but we don't live in Should-Land. Suicide is a reality and people want and deserve to kill themselves in as safe and painless a way as possible.

If you take away this right people will attempt to kill themselves in dangerous and excruciating ways which may pose a danger to the general public and may also traumatize them. The suicidal may also harm themselves in terrifying ways and not even die - which is a worse position than where they started. This is a horrific risk that people shouldn't be forced to take - if the society can't help people, creates structures and situations where people feel the need to kill themselves and neglects to care for the desperate and vulnerable then safe and reliable ways to commit suicide should not be hidden.

The suicidal should not be silenced and forced into the underground because as we've come to learn there is no real group called "The Suicidal" - we are everyone. And discouraging discourse and sharing emotions just stunts societies growth into understanding how to help and understand people who are suicidal.

Just like in the 60s when they tried to encourage ignorance with teenagers and sex. We saw how that goes. Like making abortions illegal, people will do it anyway and in dangerous ways if you force ignorance upon them. You can't hide the truth.

RIP to your son - I am so sorry for your loss but this is not the way.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Simba]

Oh also Emma Davis is TessB and had few accounts on here when only 1 is allowed

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

Knowing that there's so many people now watching it is certainly going to have a chilling effect on what people here are willing to say now that they know their privacy has been compromised…

 

[RainAndSadness]

So because a site provided the information that an obviously already depressed and vulnerable 17 year old sought out to kill themselves they want to end the site?

It's interesting how hard they come after us, a website that's obviously addressing an adult audience but they don't question the parents, which didn't properly supervise their own children when it came to their internet activity and therefore neglecting them in these regards. I didn't know it's our job to do actual parenting but I've said it over and over again. People that turn out to be underage get banned immediately and here is the deal - children whose parents monitor their activity and use parental tools don't end up on this website. I'm not even gonna address the intense brain gymnastics they've exercised when they came to the conclusion that based on singular cases in which parents failed to take care of their children properly, the entire website consisting of 20'000 adult members is therefore predatory and dangerous. It's such a bad faith conclusion of the purpose of this forum and the community around it.

 

[TheEndTimes]

Where the Despairing Log On, and Learn Ways to Die (Published 2021)

It has the trappings of popular social media, a young audience and explicit content on suicide that other sites don’t allow. It is linked to a long line of lives cut short.

www.nytimes.com

Kids Are Dying. How Are These Sites Still Allowed? here's a link to the podcast, which doesn't require a subscription or registration

 

[Midgardsorm]

Kids Are Dying. How Are These Sites Still Allowed? here's a link to the podcast, which doesn't require a subscription or registration

Ahhh yes. This website provides information to young people below 18 years old despite having a clear advise that the content here is only for 18+.

Uh.. porn websites offer explicit sexual content to the same children despite.

What an absurd ! Where is the article about this? Countless Teenagers having sexual relationships without proper protection, having children below maturity age. Where's the law!? We need to ban all porn websites !!!

 

[Meditation guide]

A boy committing suicide in a car came within inches of slamming his car into mine and taking me with him.

He was determined to commit suicide. People will do that with or without this site and in the process endanger others sometimes.

 

[Apathy79]

I suppose it's one of the biggest news outlets in the world so it's going to bring attention. But it's almost impossible for anyone reading the article fresh to agree with the points they're trying to make. If anything it's likely to drastically increase the site's membership.

Doxxing Marquis and Serge is going to backfire with 99% of the public, who will see the writers as fundamentally evil and sinister as a result, which I guess must be accurate. There's no other way to view it. The site then, being the target of evidently fundamentally evil reporters, as a result comes out in a primarily positive light by contrast.

 

[Pluto]

Why no crusade against other online resources such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods#List_of_methods ? Why no effort to engage in mature conversation about the issue of voluntary euthanasia?

As an older person with a tortured history and facing a lifetime of misery, I especially appreciate the Failing NY Times conflating my personal choices regarding my own body with 'incels' and violence against women. Thanks, assholes. PS, this is my only source of support, too, and if it goes now I feel like I would want to CTB even sooner.

 

[TheNorthernSilence]

Oh also Emma Davis is TessB and had few accounts on here when only 1 is allowed

Oh wow, somehow I'm not that surprised, she was one of the ppl who were cheering for me being bullied (probably because they were all female [one of them turned out to be Jeremy], and I as a male was an easy target for hate):

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/im-being-bullied-here.64222/post-1195249

I always had this feeling there was something shady about her. She is a mean person.

 

[ScaredToLive]

I'd happily reach out to them and correct every bit of nonsense on there. Pathetic.

 

[StarryStarry]

Why no crusade against other online resources such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_methods#List_of_methods ? Why no effort to engage in mature conversation about the issue of voluntary euthanasia?

As an older person with a tortured history and facing a lifetime of misery, I especially appreciate the Failing NY Times conflating my personal choices regarding my own body with 'incels' and violence against women. Thanks, assholes. PS, this is my only source of support, too, and if it goes now I feel like I would want to CTB even sooner.

Pluto - I am with you 100%. We're in the same boat and I really hope it isn't sinking. The people here have been so kind to me unlike the people I have to deal with on an every day basis.

 

[Chinaski]

One thing which stuck out in this was the testimony of "Emma Davis", who declared that people "idolise" Marquis, this is absolutely untrue and is a deliberate device used to frame this website as a death cult.

There's little l can add that hasn't already been said by others above but personally I'm going to be careful of new members and be wary of those who are keen to get close to you etc, obviously this is a given on this website as not everyone here has pure intent to begin with, but it's probably wise for us all to have an added vigilance rn.

 

[lobster salad]

Wow... so many dirty little fabrications and phrasings that tries to Potray the site as malicious and suicidally encouraging... I don't know how will I deal with the bulk of my emotions if the site goes. It's too hard to talk elsewhere without being misunderstood, seen as 'the crazy one' or getting in heaps of trouble for thinking in a certain manner. I may actually commit suicide earlier if the site disappeared

 

[Deleted member 8579]

One thing which stuck out in this was the testimony of "Emma Davis", who declared that people "idolise" Marquis, this is absolutely untrue and is a deliberate device used to frame this website as a death cult.

The entire article uses highly manipulative language and images. Just look at this line:
"The four young members were among tens of thousands around the world who have been pulled in."
This makes it seem as if we are all naïve children that have been coaxed into using this website.
They could have easily written: "The four young members were among tens of thousands around the world who used the website."
If they really had a strong case against this website, they would be able to make it in a neutral tone and let the facts speak for themselves.

 

[StarryStarry]

One thing which stuck out in this was the testimony of "Emma Davis", who declared that people "idolise" Marquis, this is absolutely untrue and is a deliberate device used to frame this website as a death cult.

There's little l can add that hasn't already been said by others above but personally I'm going to be careful of new members and be wary of those who are keen to get close to you etc, obviously this is a given on this website as not everyone here has pure intent to begin with, but it's probably wise for us all to have an added vigilance rn.

It's a damn shame - just a damn shame. Assholes

 

[Circles]

Also what I don't get is this:

From the article: "Later, a site member in Leeds, England, would ask in his parting words for the forum to be shut down. "Please do your best in closing that website for anyone else," Joe Nihill, 23, implored in a suicide note."

So I don't know what to make of this. It honestly feels fake but then again who knows. I just wonder why would this person say that in their suicide note especially even though they still killed themselves with the information they found here? It makes no sense.

 

[justsayin]

The entire article uses highly manipulative language and images.
...

You must be new to Mainstream media. All articles are written like this, but people usually don't notice until they find one about themselves.

 

[lobster salad]

Also what I don't get is this:
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From the article: "Later, a site member in Leeds, England, would ask in his parting words for the forum to be shut down. "Please do your best in closing that website for anyone else," Joe Nihill, 23, implored in a suicide note."

So I don't know what to make of this. It honestly feels fake but then again who knows. I just wonder why would this person say that in their suicide note especially even though they still killed themswlves with the information they found here? It makes no sense.

It looks fabricated, and even if it wasn't it still seems like such a selfish and ungrateful thing to write.

 

[Cemetry Gates]

They will never understand. This site is one of the only things that actually makes me feel less alone.

 

[Chinaski]

Yeah l don't want to be callous here but l find that parting wish difficult to believe - fwiw l have some sympathy for grieving relatives of suicide, l kind of understand their need to find someone to directly blame and actually think some responses to it from this website are a tad off-colour, but this extract looks like someone falsely ventriloquising the dead for manipulative purposes.

 

[StarryStarry]

Also what I don't get is this:
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From the article: "Later, a site member in Leeds, England, would ask in his parting words for the forum to be shut down. "Please do your best in closing that website for anyone else," Joe Nihill, 23, implored in a suicide note."

So I don't know what to make of this. It honestly feels fake but then again who knows. I just wonder why would this person say that in their suicide note especially even though they still killed themselves with the information they found here? It makes no sense.

Why would you post this with all the crap that's going on today?